• came_apart_at_Kmart [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    in addition to every other “thought” here being wrong and stupid, it especially irritates me when people assign / conflate sexual dimorphic phenotypes/behaviors from highly divergent species to backstop their own bullshit. it’s part of the jordan peterson playbook and it’s about as scientific as “cats are girls” / “dogs are boys”.

    it’s one thing to put on a silly “fascinator” type of hat and say “i’m peacocking”. that’s a shorthand we can all understand. but it’s something else to say “this bird is performing x and that is scientifically analogous to some specific baggage i carry about humans.” they’re fucking BIRDS. it’s a completely different class and they are on a completely distinct sex-determination system that has its own chromosome pairing.

    it’s not XX = female bird, XY = male bird. it’s ZW. and it’s oppositional to the XY system. the homogametic ZZ is the “male” bird, and the heterogametic ZW is the egg-laying “female”| bird. further, in birds the ovum (not the sperm) determines the sex of offspring. the male/female binary is something we place on ourselves and other species to make the world conform to our need for simple patterns upholding a primitive self-understand that does not challenge established power.

    • christian [he/him, any]@hexbear.net
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      This isn’t me being gay, it’s science

      adding this to the end of my “dick-tasting study” grant proposal after already compiling my research data independently

      • Johnny_Arson [she/her]@hexbear.net
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        Going to a prestigious college to become a dick sommelier. Swooshing it around in front of my face before just taking a taste of the tip before spitting it out and jotting down notes on a spiral pad. Judging dicks by vintage, etc.

  • Dort_Owl [they/them, any]@hexbear.net
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    It’s so funny when dudes like this try to use an argument from nature, especially around sexual dimorphism.

    The vast majority of animal life in Earth are non-mammals. Of those that show sexual dimorphism, the female is usually larger than the male. fish, insects, a good number of birds, a good number of lizards all have larger females. Even in mammals you still have some examples of larger, impressive females like hyenas, although admittedly much rarer than in other clades.

    The angler fish in particular is pretty interesting, in a creppy way. The angler fish with the big scary teeth and the little light on its head? All of those are female. The males are tiny and latch onto the females where they are absorbed into her flesh. Yeah, gross.

    Since this stinky cockroach man is using birds as an example of human masculinity for some reason, let’s compare humans to birds for a second.

    Sexual dimorphism in birds is all over the place, in owls the females are sometimes larger and more richly colored, however like with lizards there are many cases where the males are larger (Fowl for example, although human selective breeding has exaggerated this for farming and ornimental breeding).

    So yes in birds (particularly the likes of pheasants and birds of paradise) there are many examples of colorful birds that try to catch the attention of opposite sex with bright colors, accessories, dancing and so on. There are vulture species that use iron dust or mud to dye their feathers rusty red, one of the only examples of make up use seen outside of humans (although both sexes of vultures do this).

    But wait a minute. Dancing? Make up? Bright colors? Isn’t that what these trad guys think should be the traditional role of women to perform? Cockroach man hardly has the glam of a male peacock or cardinal? And traditional western femininity is hardly as drab as a peahen. What is he even talking about? Why aren’t you wearing lipstick in that case, roach boy?

    Using birds to prove the so called rigid natural roles of male and female becomes even more ridiculous when you consider that even in examples where males are larger and more flashy than females, you have things like chickens, who’s females change gender, grow spurs, crow and take on the social role usually taken by a rooster if they feel like it, the term alpha was originally coined to describe hens.

    The right are clowns who oversimplify these very complex systems for personal gain. They anthropomorphize and deify processes that are diverse and that we don’t fully understand enough to ascribe grand purpose to. Anyone who tries is more often than not trying to project their own “everything has to be part of a big mystical plan” brainworms that in the case of westerners were probably inherited from Christian extremists and 1900s eugenicists, the stink of which never truely left Anglo education.

    Yeah if you can’t tell I hate how much people make assumptions about nature because 99% of it is vibes based, outdated half-knowledge gained through cultural osmosis rather than what the actual research has shown us. It doesn’t help that the even in academic settings the natural world and research into the life of animals is plagued by outdated societies projecting their outdated ideals onto animals (for exame a Queen bee acts nothing like a human Queen, does not act as a superior to the workers bees in any way and more akin to a brood mare than a ruler. But that idea that a Queen bee is the bee with the highest status still persists)

  • daniyeg [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    what is the name for a type of post that states a sincerely held belief formatted as ragebait while inviting mockery (insisting on not being gay just makes people call you gay) for further engagement? im tired of these asshats thinking they’re some sort of evil algo genius, they’re just assholes.

    • InexplicableLunchFiend [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      asmon’s whole thing is to thrive off being a hated contrarian. He purposefully says things that will get people to attack him, and he purposefully lives like a cockroach to fit the ‘part’ of his character - a disgusting grinch-like being

    • Sometimes I think so, hough sometimes I think their ideologies and psyches are moulded by their repetition of actions and utterances they don’t fundamentally understand; like a parrot that gets treats for saying a funny word or a dog that learns to put out its paw for scraps off the kitchen counter.

    • DragonBallZinn [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      Come to think of it, why don’t we on the left do that?

      Even suggesting nazis aren’t as wholesome chungus as popular opinion suggests them to be is an easy way to troll the population, no one can help but type out paragraphs of insults and 4chan infographics.

      we get our message out and let the hivemind do all the dirty work for us.