Christians have been doing mental gymnastics to reconcile worshiping Jesus and empire ever since Constantine made Christianity the state religion. Prior to that they’d be refusing military service/wars, holding property in common and refusing to worship the state/emperor. now pretty much every ‘christian’ is the opposite on all fronts.

jokes on you guys I’ve already moved on to woke 2 and my mental health is great

I’m inspiring to this ideal more, but, don’t see capitalism of inherently evil, like a gun or a drug.

capitalism isnt a neutral tool though, it’s a system of social relations that jesus explicitly condemned

I am inspiring Christian & and nationalist.

walking contradiction; nationalism is idolatry. Whatever religion you follow is not christianity.

It’s good to hear. from re-reading this exchange I don’t even think our practical positions are particularly different, we were talking past each other and have different electoral environments

They’re clearly just interested in hurling abuse/harassment. gross behavior

Don’t mistake me articulating a vision with me believing that it is immenant.

Electoral success tends to follow movements and movements tend to hinge on material reality, ie what the conditions on the ground are

To play on your analogy, i don’t think we’re going to be able to survive on lemonade and whenever i suggest trying to plant some beans the lemonade fans accuse me of wanting to cut the lemon tree down

good to hear that you agree

You really didn’t have a point though, it was just a baseless assertion about instances being ‘pro russia’ that you refused to elaborate on. That was why I posted the tuxedo mask meme.

You said that ml and hexbear are far more pro-russian than other spaces; thats a half truth because it’s at most a critical support due to its positioning against the US. There’s lots of spaces out there that are uncritically pro russian and I have problems with those the same as I would with maga reactionay spaces.

Compared to lib echo chambers like on the the rest of lemmy/piefed it may seem ‘far more’ in support of russia, but it’s really not, especially compared to places with actual chuds running around.

I responded to your bit about what you think I believe and you just responded ‘QED’, as if anything other than full lockstep repetition of western narratives is evidence of secretly being ‘pro-russia’

When are you gonna post this on meanwhileongrad? need more slop content

sounds like we’re in agreement on that at least then

Great. It does not seem like it. It reads like you would do the opposite.

as we’ve already established you’re barely reading anything I’m saying

Ideally have our own party running.

are you going to vote PSL if they’re on the ballot for you?

The kind were you are so dismissive about building out our options and growing progressive politics. Particularly in regards to voting.

I said that voting isn’t organizing. it’s not something that leads a movement, it follows a movement.

Your ‘argument’ was ‘I bet you believe something I think is wrong’, with no elaboration. you didn’t feel the need to address my point about them both being capitalist states that don’t represent workers interests.

Calling that ‘eloquent’ was laughable too

I don’t think mls would show up to vote if we did have a group up left leaning party.

I knew plenty of MLs who did vote for PSL in the last few elections, just feels like you’re dealing in caricatures.

It seems to me that your lack of urgency is due to privilege.

What lack of urgency and privilege? I’ve been plenty impacted by this government, I even had a person I knew through housing organizing get taken by ICE last year. I don’t see the democrats as credible ‘harm reduction’. they are useless at best, co-conspirators at worst.

Just look at how much effort I have to go to ask a lefty, you, to encourage others to form a party and at least vote as left as possible.

I already said it’s minimum civic engagement, I even vote in municipal elections and try to get comrades to at least vote in those because they’re decided by like a hundred people. Whatever you’re arguing against, it’s not my position.

J Edgar Hoover couldn’t have done better if he trained agentes himself

if you’re going to accuse me of that, my observation is that the only one doing freelance fed work in this conversation is you

Like you said early on it is the minimum civil engagement.

wow it’s almost like that’s been my position all along, and it’s not mutually exclusive with thinking that democrats are genocidal warmongers.

I also pointed out that your attitude about voting

just to be clear, your problem really is about my attitude towards democrats

I’m just going off what you’ve said (or failed to). When I asked for clarification you just acted smug in response.

The extent of our exchange was you saying ‘I bet you believe something I think is wrong’ and me saying ‘yeah I still do because of abundant evidence’ and your response was ‘QED’ That’s not making a point, it’s just being a pidgeon shitting on the chessboard

you didn’t make any points, you just keep circling and accusing me of not voting lmao

there’s also no points that you’ve made lmao

so why do you keep acting like I don’t then? You aren’t even internally consistent in that post, you say that it’s great that I vote, but then act like I don’t again in the second paragraph

are you incapable of registering that I do vote? How do you keep failing to read that across at this point a half dozen posts.

You are not actually engaging with anything I’m saying and just rattling off bullshit. pretty normal behavior from you lot, sadly.

You’ve been condescending to me from the start. don’t start acting offended when you get attitude back.