• MarxMadness [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    This shit is going to ring more and more hollow as libs get radicalized by ICE violence. You can’t get to the point where libs are talking about protesting while armed (or doing it) and simultaneously punch left because they aren’t pacifists.

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      The libs don’t know that there is a ticking clock on that sort of behaviour. The fascists do though, they know they only have so much time before the libs finally learn their lesson about the fash and stop punching left.

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      Dude unironically called his account “Ozymandias” after the Watchmen character, holy shit, dude probably thinks he is actually the smartest person in the world, and of course he’s got major issues with women, probably thinks women are “naturally less intelligent” than men or some bullshit.

      Every fucking time. Every time there’s some anti-com who claims that communism or “tankies” are mindless idiots who know nothing they always turn out to be some massively pathetic loser. They never actually have any evidence to back up their position, just hatred and bigotry. It’s almost like they hate communists because unlike liberals, we will actively point out their misogyny and racism, and won’t quietly tolerate it until they get overconfident and go too far, we don’t even tolerate their dogwhistles.

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      Holy cannoli, that’s possibly the most incel toxic masculinity I’ve seen or heard in three years, online or 3D.

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    This is just a shitty version of that actually good Luigi meme

    also:

    I’m not saying you’re right or wrong but it is certainly interesting that the most prominent tankie specimens on the fediverse average 20+ essay-length comments per day while I get fed jacketed if I spend more than 2 paragraphs refuting their bullshit.

    Strange that these self described proles have enough free time between their subsistence wage earning and real life praxis to write a small novel per week…

    indistinguishable from chuds talking about paid protesters

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    Y’know, if these people can provide a consistent, material, considered method, one that could actually work, I’d be very happy, I’d go with it! Despite the way I talk at times, I really hate violence. But they never have a program! It’s always this bullshit.

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      Kind of like how EVERY single time someone tries to talk about how Marx is hundreds of years old and we need to “update” the theory to the modern world it’s just Kautskyism again

      Weird how this “update to modern conditions” is always just Liberalism and moving to the right and becoming chavinistic and abandoning our international comrades in some way. How come the update is never anything else? Never getting even more radical or trying something completely new and different, taking the dialectic in a new direction for new times?

      Jacobin Soc dem types will never stop trying to steal Marxism from the Marxists and dilute it into nothingness. Why don’t they fuck off and get their own thinkers?

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    How to overthrow capitalism:

    1. Immediately punch left

    2. Post online about how good you are at punching left

    3. ???

    4. We did it lemmy!

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    At this point I barely even know who the libs are talking about. I know what they mean by a tankie, they mean someone identifiable leftist who expresses sympathy for the west’s enemies.

    But where are they even interacting with tankies anymore? Who have they identified as tankie leadership? Hasan Piker? Mark Ruffalo? I have a feeling liberals will simply get into arguments on Twitter and that’s who they figure their political enemies are. Like who are they kidding, smash red fascism? They gonna start sending anti-antifa to harass PSL? Are they gonna go surround a Marxist bookclub or harass one of those North Korea friendship orgs full of elderly Koreans? Good luck I guess

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      I believe what they’re doing is pre-preparation for an eventual future where they have to oppose a vanguard party that is gaining real ground. The preparation is essentially “ew no ignore those people, they are tankies” so that people close their eyes and ears to anyone from such parties before even hearing what they have to say.

      Right now it’s not that important but down the line they see a need to pre-program people for that response.

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        Agreed, they’re responding to the genuine possibility of a communist vanguard party carrying out a revolution in the heart of the empire and building a proper worker’s state.

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          It’s going to hurt them because a lot of people are sort of confused about what the distinction between a tankie and a communist is. When people are confronted with a communist face to face in real life who is a genuinely nice person they’re not going to be thinking “tankie” in their head.

          Putting all of the anticommunist propaganda into the word tankie leaves a leaky hole through which support for communists will trickle even while those very same supporters still feel negativity to “tankies”.

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      I would have said it was anyone to the left of AOC, but it seems like they’re moving towards anyone to the left of Hillary Clinton.

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    Repeatedly calling tankies stupid but also criticizing us for writing essay length comments

    When we engage with them we’re writing thought out responses. When they engage with us it’s thought terminating cliches and name calling.

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      This is why i have infinite respect for our comrades who can wade into these waters and not lose their head

      I’m too short-tempered to argue with people like this

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          My father in law is the very model of a modern major liberal and often inserts his opinions about human nature and how evil the enemies of Amerikkka are any chance he gets. I keep saving comments by cowbee to use as responses to him and the last few times I’ve done it, it has stopped him in his tracks, immediately changing the subject. I swear, there’s something about how cowbee responds that works really well on a certain kind of people.

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      We are simultaneously irrelevant fringe weirdos and the sole thing holding back the western left. We are simultaneously too stupid and too smart. They can’t make up their mind about why tankies are bad, they just know that we are.

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    Haha yes let’s punch left while the fascists are literally kidnapping our neighbours, shooting innocent people and throwing grenades in vehicles full of children. This is a very rational use of my time during the current moment.

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    I was staying at a volunteering farm in Chile recently and some guy turned up, objected to me being communist (I have a fairly prominent hammer and sickle tattoo), asked me if I was a tankie and got upset when I said yes, and then still thought that when I was cooking dinner for me and my friends that he was by default invited to partake.

    Because I’m such a nice guy I let him have some on the first night, but on the second night I had to remind him that Chile was still a capitalist country and that he could buy and cook his own fucking dinner.

    Favio, on the off chance you are reading this, you are a shit worker, you lazy fucking bum.

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    This is Reddit karma farming because it’s based on that Luigi meme and also doesn’t involve any real experiences. It’s a thing you can post to liberals and get social kudos for it.

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      I remember talking to a baby radlib who was spouting this “red fash” crap and asking if they had ever done anything in real life and had ever encountered any of these so-called “tankies” and “red fash”. They started saying “yeah a bunch of them came to our protest and we beat them up and everyone clapped” and that’s when I realized I was talking to a baby and a liar.

      They had worked themselves up to a fever pitch over figments in their imagination.

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        I always miss the coolest fights, every fight I’ve ever been in was awful, short and unpleasant and no one really “won” them at all, just some people got less fucked up. But so many guys I’ve talked to have had amazing fights where they totally kicked someone’s ass like they were John Wick. I wish I could be around for some of these fights, they assure me that they are very impressive and spectacular.

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    Our job is to organize in the real world so effectively, to educate our communities so tirelessly, to be so fucking good at touching grass, that these people who never shut up about us are ostracized for the raving, terminally online obsessives that they are. When one of these wreckers ventures into a movement and starts saying this shit, the response must be “you mean the people who helped me fix my car for free, who taught me to grow my own food and treat my own injuries, who helped protect my family from ICE? Get outta here, dumbass.”

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      It also feels really nice. I live in an apartment building and dont drive, I have no reason to own a shovel aside from clearing sidewalks that dont get plowed and will handle people’s walk ways as I go. Fuck their driveways cause fuck cars and i would only get half a block done. I dont live where people are weird about their lawns and will shoot you for being on em so im just seen as being a nice young person chipping in to help their neighbors. Old folks fucking LOVE it and will come talk for a while and give me treats. At work ill handle other people’s jobs so they can take longer breaks on the clock. I clock in people who are running late, I refuse to make front of house pay for food and have done so openly in front of my boss who simply goes around a corner so he ‘doesnt see anything’. Just do little nice things as much as possible for everyone around you even if you don’t know em while also being openly a communist. Most people who dont go online to discuss politics are fairly open about their ignorance and are interested to hear about other points of view. Everyone in my kitchen thinks Gaddafi was a hero now.

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          I gotta be real the Leftists I know IRL are the type to use the term Tankie as a pejorative and are not just anarchists but fucking anarchists. They help the homeless and also arm Ukraine. Not kidding, they did a benefit show to send arms to a Ukranian militia. They are ideologically terrified of power and it fucking show. There’s no greater goal than bandages and patting themselves on the back for doing what the state shoild be doing. Cool that you built sheds for the homeless. The cops tore em down the second tourist season opened. The horse is constantly pushing the cart