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This is a perfect example of why privacy and security in smartphones is so incredibly important. Delivering food to your neighbors is not illegal and you shouldn’t be followed because you put a Mexican person’s address into Google Maps or your notes. Absolute insanity.
This is genuinely unsettling. Whatever people’s views are, no one should feel afraid just trying to help a neighbor or go about daily life. Empathy and basic humanity shouldn’t be controversial.
Maybe I’m too stupid to understand this but how exactly would ICE know which white person to follow? Even if 1% (ridiculously high) of white people were doing this, they would still have to filter them out of the other 99% of white people.
Why would you need to use GPS to deliver food to a house that your friend lives in? How would a piece of paper help you find your “friend’s house” that you don’t know without the GPS? Why does your friend not just use a grocery delivery service?
To me this story sounds completely far fetched.
I like your user name for this comment. It’s a fair assessment though. The problem is we would not have had street executions on our bingo cards for the last 6 mos either. Street executions without the Floyd reactivity even. Or, at least, the utter lack of reporting on it.
Per MN posts on Substack, ICE is camping the street where they killed the nurse. My guess, to prevent a show of support with a memento memorial pileup of items and such.
For this, it’s within the realm of possibility, and given how little is being reported on some benefit of the doubt will be extended. Shit is falling off the rails over here. There’s no security. No real governance. Just a lot of poor people with no health insurance moving on inertia and denial while a small amount of others try to push back from the streets. Meanwhile, 1/3 of us cheer for or make excuses for it.
Okay but still - imagine you are an ICE agent. Why would you waste your time and effort having to handle and filter the hundreds of thousands of white people on the incredibly low chance of grabbing someone, when you can just go where you know there will be undocumented people? There is no shortage of illegal farm hands, maids, restaurant workers, etc., you would be able to go directly where you expect them far more easily than a 0.01% chance of finding someone on a grocery run to a mexican family.
How much of this is actually about immigration?
That is the question that needs parsing out first. Why care about kids in frog suits sitting in a street, in relatively small numbers, outside of an ICE admin center in Portland? Why Minneapolis? Why not Springfield Ohio where they’re supposedly “eating the cats and dogs?” Let’s check out some 2020 census data.
Dearborn Michigan (Detroit suburb) has a 54% population of middle eastern and North African ancestry. Detroit itself is 9.5% white. Or, a 90.5% population potential of harassing non white people and/or non white immigrants. Or of maybe finding actual illegals based on community movement factors.
Milwaukee WI is 37.8% black, 20.1% Latino, and 5.2% Asian. Or, a 63% population potential of harassing non white people and/or non white immigrants. Philadelphia is 38.3% black, 14.9% Latino, and 8.3% Asian. Or, a 61.5% population potential of harassing non white people and/or non white immigrants. Or, again, of rooting out potential illegals based on community movement factors.
Meanwhile, Minneapolis is 18.9% black, 10% Latino, 5.8% Asian. Or, a 34.7% population potential of harassing non white people and/or non white immigrants.
But, what’s the difference? Voting and politics. Minnesota is bluer than blue. Minnesota even stayed blue as a lone holdout during the Reagan years. Meanwhile, WI, MI, OH, and PA are all swing states. They’re not 100% done with the voting quite yet. Good odds that’s why they’re not in Detroit or some such instead.
If this was about immigration or rooting out illegals they would have never been concentrating in Minneapolis to begin with. Never mind the part regarding Walz daring to run agains Cluster B Personality personified: Trump. Of note, Cluster B requires a nemesis to work against, it’s part of the personality disorder sets.
You’re attempting to argue logical immigration enforcement where none exists.
While dragging off nonwhite people is a piece of the action that is indeed taking place, this is a multifaceted, intentional endeavor that is never not highly political regarding “enemies” of the present administration.
ETA: also consider the hires. If they were good players with solid backgrounds their faces wouldn’t be hidden. You are also assuming the agents themselves are personally functioning on logical immigration enforcement.
Take a deep dive into conservative social media. It’s a lot of meme sharing about how “we are done with you”, “we are not the same”, “talk is over”, “purging the non American leftists”, and such. Imbue that mentality into the present ICE hires and the behaviors make more sense.
Why does your friend not just use a grocery delivery service?
I think it’s pretty easy to draw connections among “unable to leave house in fear,” “unable to work,” and “unable to afford food/grocery delivery services.”
Also, digital fingerprinting would easily identify individuals who would not deliver groceries to their immigrant neighbors. Pick out the more vocal members of the remaining people, find which ones are active in community social media groups, and you have a list of people that is much smaller than just “white people.”
Ok but now it’s not that they’re being followed from the grocery store, it is hypothetical digital profiling that is the problem. Even this is more resource intensive than the direct approach, i.e.: they would have an easier time snatching “random” illegal immigrants by driving up to construction sites and harassing general labourers, or coming in the back door of a restaurant.
If they are able to commit resources to deep surveillance of the entire white population on the off chance of catching someone delivering food to an illegal immigrant, then why would they not commit a drone to follow the individual the whole way to their destination? Again, this surveilled individual apparently knows where they are going “by paper”, without GPS, not by memorisation of an address. Why? The story is simply nonsense.
Walking some home with their consent (or consent of their guardian) is not a crime.
Following someone home is stalking.
When it’s related to groceries it’s actually called a steak-out.
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LIterally 1939
Paper is the new privacy measure
Always has been.
Protip: for anyone seeking to use typewriters to further circumvent surveillance, please know that the ribbon is a complete log of every keystroke. Also, the pressure your pen makes on paper can be recovered from soft-ish surfaces and sheets underneath it. Act accordingly.
We have messaging apps that are secure and can timed autodelete by text “for everyone”.
And yet people keep on using Facebook Messenger.
And your printer puts microscopic marks that can be traced back to the specific one.
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Just run an exe from github, who does who knows what. Trust me bro…
Are those big enough for mimeos to grab?
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I can’t wait for glued on words from magazines to come back
Careful. If truly determined people are hunting, microscopic particles trapped in the glue could be traced back to you. The specific magazines might also be identified from the letters and traced back to you.
That’s why I use magazines from the dentists office.
Your dentist? Bad move.
Or the DNA all over them, right guys?
Pen and paper.
Protip: Get an old laptop with Linux for privacy, and don’t dare to use Google services from it.
pro-protip: use tails.
Pro-pro-protip: don’t use this, because it does not have Miles “Tails” Prower as its mascot.
as someone who doesn’t use typewriters - is this all typewriters? most? modern? all?
As a person who submitted multiple school papers on a '95 typewriter I can say this: the "newer"style presented a similar issue. Pressing a key was similar to pressing a key on a computer keyboard, as opposed to traditional typewriters where the key press is physically pressing a stamp into ink paper (the ribbon).
I’m not sure how the 1995 one worked, but there were no physical stamps, and it required power. It still left a visible impression on the ribbon though.
This one was fancy and had multiple ribbons in a cartridge. The bottom ribbon was ink, but there was also a highlighter ribbon and an eraser ribbon. For the time, this was very high end. Almost like having a real computer!
The ribbon is just 2 wheels on gears, that work the spool of ink ribbon from one wheel to the other. I’ve taken them apart a few times, and yeah you can just read what was typed. If you have a fancy one that does erasing, both ribbons move the same, so retyping will end up with a ribbon that has jumbled letters. On older typewriters you can still manually move back on the line you are working on. Depending on the machine, and it’s mechanics, it might have a “backspace” button that might roll back the ribbon as well.
It’s not going to remove letters, but you can go over the same space on the paper multiple times. (As example: you accidentally hit “a” instead of “e”. You hit backspace to readjust to where the" a" is. You then press “e”. Repeat that 5 or 6 times, and the “e” should be visible on top the original “a”.)
If I’m not mistaken, there used to be typewriter tape available, might still be available. Used for instances that the ribbon gets tangled and you have to tape it back together. If that’s the case, just rig the receiving wheel so that you can remove used ribbon. Burn the ribbon and done.
All that I’m aware of. Or to put it another way: every typewriter you’re likely to encounter out in the wild.
It’s a common trope for old whodunit mysteries, so I bet someone solved this particular problem but I’ll also bet that they’re not common machines.
this is not my area at all, but there’s got to be some sort of ribbon design out there to randomize the travel after each keystroke
I had an old one as a kid that didn’t advance the ribbon automatically anymore, so if you typed 4-5 chars, it would be a little dimmer, till you hit around 10 and couldnt really read it. So youd have to flick the wheel a little to advance it. Probably too annoying for real use, (and the reason my Nana had given it to me when I was 5) but would be great for short messages like this, and putting 5 chars on top of eachother makes a pretty unrecognizable jumble of lines on tbe ribbon.
duh, just remove the automatic repeatable part. this is why you should think before commenting, kids. jeepers look at me go
but yeah, while annoying for regular use, certainly doable for certain occasions. and probably could be semi-automated fairly easily
I feel like it wouldnt be too hard to fashion a spring that goes between the spindle and a modified cassette, so that as the spindle turns with each keystroke, the spring builds up tension, and enough letters to obscure all type in one spot, then it releases it all at once, advancing the tape.
Use a pen board behind your pages and every third or so page so a scribble page just to be sure.
Ceramic tile, rice paper, food coloring, fountain pen.
Partially related: Grocery store apps “tailoring” the price of groceries to the individual? Oh fuck you motherfuckers, cash for me from now on.
“We’re sorry, this location is no longer accepting cash.”
in some states/cities that’s illegal.
- Arizona
- Illinois
- Kentucky
- Montana
- Maine
- Massachusetts
- Missouri
- New York
- North Carolina
- South Carolina
- Ohio
- Oklahoma
- Rhode Island
- Tennessee
- Philadelphia
- New York City
- San Francisco
I keep a small notepad and pen to write things down if I see something interesting or if I need to note something. Much more private than taking a photo or writing it on my phone 's notepad software.
Time to bring back the proud American tradition of shooting Nazis.
I would prefer the bat method. They should feel it.
Glad you included a picture. Based on text, I thought you were suggesting we get Batman.
Did he ever join the war effort in the old comics like superman did?
He did more selling bonds than direct combat that I know of. But yeah, Batman got in on it. World’s Greatest Comics #9 cover has him throwing baseballs at their faces for example
Why not both. Mess them up, then mess up the floor with their brain matter. It’ll be small mess, we all know there’s nothing between their ears
I think Adam Sandler was offered that role.
And then what?
Trump wants ICE agents to get killed. Then he can declare martial law
They’re probably going to declare martial law anyways. What are you going to do then, listen to them? They want a civil war and societal breakdown. This is their end goal, its obvious. What they don’t realize is not every state is going to listen, and there is over half of the country who despises them. This is going to devolve into a civil war one way or another, and it makes me sad.
There is no reason it needs to be this way, but you can only push people so far before they fight back.
I have no idea what the spark is going to be, but its coming. It’s not normal for states to threaten to quit paying taxes, and for a state to activate the national guard to deal with federal goons.
I have no idea what the spark is going to be, but its coming.
Historically there will be a false flag attack on some important military or government structure. Trump will blame liberals, despite it being obvious shortly afterwards that they bombed themselves intentionally.
Thats why immediately after 9/11 there were conspiracys that “Bush planned 9/11”. Not saying I agree with that, but I understand where the idea comes from. It’s an old tactic that goes all the way back to at least Ghengis Khan.
It’s even happened in American history. Blame the Maine on Spain.
So, maybe expect a military base, or the statue of liberty to be bombed. And then trump will say he needs full military in the streets. He doesn’t, but he’ll say that, and he’ll get it.
The only question is, as the Army marches through the streets, will they be goose stepping?
Or it could be the economy tanking,a particularly bad winter storm or other natural disaster, another epidemic/pandemic, a complicit billionaire caught on a hot mic doing something dumb with the world watching, another inflamed and unstable right winger takes another run at Trump for some unhinged reason.
We’re in such a precarious position right now that we’re ready to burst at one of our many weak seams.
They already have their civil war. I’ve seen Minneapolis
No they don’t. Protesting isn’t a civil war. You clearly haven’t actually experienced a civil war before. It’s not fun, and nobody wins.
this is how civil wars start, dishpit. people being murdered and disappeared. you clearly haven’t actually experienced it before. it’s not fun and nobody wins.
yeah, then or at any other random event that they choose or manufacture
it is inevitable
Then what? do it. Fuck it. What is the fucking plan? What’s the play after that like really? Let’s see what happens. Are we going to get paramilitary troops killing us in the street? Lol
ICE pretty much has all the employees it ever will. Even with the inflated budget they’re having trouble recruiting gestapo. They’re concentrating their efforts in Minneapolis because they don’t have the resources to do it anywhere bigger, much less everywhere at once.
So they’re all-in trying to get violent kickback so they can justify the Insurrection Act, because that will allow them to deploy troops, which the courts keep blocking.
Marital law == dictatorship. As far as I have read, that’s the plan, then there will be no more elections and he can use the military for anything he can dream up. He’s very worried about the midterm elections. Many signs are predicting the end of the republican majority in both sides of congress.
There is another way that does not involve violence, but it’ll require a coalition. Several states will need to band together and withhold funding.
That typo is so funny lmao. Marital Law == dictatorship 😂😂😂
Only if the war is almost over. So don’t hold your breath
This comment of the lady taking the picture really reminds me of the early Nazi era regime where people were hunting for undocumented Jews. This makes me incredibly sad to see history is repeating itself yet again.
There are still WWII veterans alive that fought the Nazis in Germany just to watch it repeat itself in their own fucking country.
Think any of those vets are the same people trying to get these folks deported?
They’re all 90+. Do you think someone that old is doing anything besides watching soap operas?
Depends on the person, I know a 93 year old who stays informed and still wants to understand what is going in the world.
Eh…sit in government, from what I can see? They really seem to enjoy that.
Watching Fox News?
I’m inclined to agree. I lost my grandfathers years ago, but I’ve gone through this thought exercise a lot since this all kicked off:
Assuming they don’t already know: would I shelter a 90+ year old veteran from home-grown horrors that they’ll never live to see resolved, or let them shuffle off this mortal coil blissfully ignorant?
Honestly, this is a situation where the truth simply won’t do any good. I’d probably just not tell them and keep those soaps and old movies on repeat.
I’m not sure I could tell one if I knew one either.
Some are nosy neighbors. No age limit on that shit
Probably.
Social media has warped the old and the young alike, as it was designed to do. The people who use these corporate, algorithmically-driven feeds probably aren’t even aware that they themselves are supporting Nazism under a different name.
To have been active at any point in the war, someone would have to be 99. (2026-1945+ 18yrs to be draft age at the end of the war)
Even if there are maga ww2 vets, I doubt many of them are active enough for this.
Well damn, guess that’s why the Nazis are back in full-force: the generation that defeated them last time is nearly gone. Now 1/3 this country is welcoming Nazis with open arms.
Even accounting for the many 15 year olds that lied and signed up, they would still be 95-96
There were definitely people under 18 fighting in both world wars.
Sure but even if we drop the age all the way to 13, theyre still 93 years old, and that would be people who only saw combat at the very end.
Yeah I mean not a statistically significant difference, I just think the assumption set should be as broad as possible as a matter of conservative estimation. We’re trying to show that the living memory footprint is low, which I thought better served by getting the absolute maximum number that could be alive, and it’s still very small.
The original Antifa… well, except for the Abraham Lincoln Brigade in Spain.
I’ve actually started keeping screenshots of people I know who are supportive of ICE, in part so I have my own little database of people who I know can’t be trusted, and so that I can hopefully publish them later when these same people try to pretend they didn’t support this.
How about start ruining their lives NOW?
Love the spirit.
How exactly are you going to accomplish that?
I’m not. You are. Your country.
That figures.
I can’t even begin to imagine the violence I would be inspired to visit on someone who pulled that on me or someone I know. Like if smug bitch thinks she just “Got me”, and I now have nothing to lose, and she’s not the armed Gestapo, and that’s a brick lying on the ground…
We find the defendant innocent, your honor.
Only one way to handle Nazis.
I much prefer the classic image of a woman smacking a Nazi over the head with her purse.
Gestapo/Stasi vibes all over.
During Gestapo and Stasi times most informants did their best to remain anonymous because no one likes snitches. Openly following someone and bragging about it is sociopathic even by nazi and Stalinist standards.
Oh, they just didn’t realize that they are easy targets themselves. Early days are always like this.
Nah, AmeriKKKa vibes.
You mean KKK, Confederacy, White Supremacist, Slaver, Jan 6th Protester etc… The threat isn’t foreign to America, and its been here in America since before Nazis existed.
Stasi did not execute people in broad daylight. Comparing the Stasi (intelligence services of Socialist Germany) to the Gestapo (agency instrumental to millions of exterminations in genocide) is insulting.
both are a bad comparison for ICE, which is much more like the SA: low-level thugs used to intimidate the opposition and steal elections, to be discarded and replaced the moment they’re no longer needed
Nobody cares if Stasi are whingy about imperfect allusions. 🖕🏽 Both groups deserve lead sentences, full stop.
Everything you know about Stasi comes from Hollywood, go read a book
You’re reading the wrong books, nazi. 🖕🏽
Communism defeated nazism and saved tens of millions of lives from Nazi extermination in Europe. Again, open a book for once in your life
Eh. I forgot about them, and assumed based on context here alone. My bad. You’re still being a dick, regardless. 😏
I was a dick because you flipped me a finger, but sure, thanks for taking it back
How are we supposed to live side by side with these people?
Unless those on the attacking side (MAGA) decide they don’t want to murder more of us, I’m not sure we can. The first civil war was incredibly bloody and tensions between the sides never settled down fully. We are in this situation partly because there is no way to have a compromise with people that believe some of our society’s members aren’t human. The white supremacist view of slave owners and supporters of slavery never went away, it needs to be cut out from the root.
The question that should have been asked and answered when your first Civil War ended: you can’t. They have forfeit their right to live in America by being traitors to its constitution. Maybe after this second one, if the Left somehow wins, they’ll learn from that mistake and get rid of the remaining Right by whatever means are convenient.
What, like put them in concentration camps?
Traitors are executed
funny how we can find a way to hang an insurrectionist when he’s an abolitionist, but we can’t when he’s head of the imperial project
Re-education camps are what China uses. Maybe you can understand why they do that now. The alternative is to just kill them.
The correct answer is to give the law teeth when it comes to abuse of authority, hate, racism, and all the other mechanisms that enable radical-right propaganda and power structures. They can keep on having garbage opinions about people “not like me”, but actually following through with punching down on others needs to be severely discouraged. The rest should follow once sane ideas are given the proper room to breathe.
They can keep on having garbage opinions about people “not like me”
Why? Nazi propaganda should be censored and severely punished, including real prison sentences for more serious offenses like actively producing or knowingly publishing it. Otherwise you end up with what we have now.
they say when something is forbidden, it makes it more desirable. it must have value of some sort if someone doesn’t want you to have it (i’m just explaining, not defending)
plus, if someone is open about their beliefs… you know who to keep an eye on. if someone only talks about it in private…
but again, still just explaining, not defending… banning it completely could make it harder to spread. idk. i’m tired and it baffles me that so many people actually agree with these terrible ideas and we live in a world where we even need to be having this discussion.
People’s opinions are measurably linked to the opinions of their (perceived) peer group. Conservatives were not born evil, they become evil after hearing evil bullshit from everyone and everything around them. That’s why “brainwashing” in the form of repeating the same lie over and over from various sources works so well in convincing people it’s the truth. Ban it, punish the liars, and the influence is reduced significantly. Invest in better education for the general population, specifically around critical thinking and media literacy (ideally something based on dialectical/historical materialism, which seems to be the best philosophical framework for understanding social realities) & historical education about dangers of fascism and capitalism, and the society gets a good anti-fascist vaccine for a couple generations at least.
The law has teeth, in the protection of ruling class, not subjects. The subjects are being deathcamped.
@iopq@lemmy.world what are we going to do with all this spam?
How does one even deal with that
.worldneed to loop downvotes for deleted accounts, and rescind them if the accounts are deleted.
piefed already offered mitigations🧵
Little tip, put the duress pin as your birth date. Because that’s the first thing that a law enforcement officer might try. Then the phone deletes itself and they can’t claim that you did it because they were the ones to enter it, unprompted.
How do i configure a duress pin on android? Is it a native feature or do i need an app? Using lineage os btw
Ideally it should silently delete just some pre-selected things. If we are coerced into giving the pin away, then the phone resetting itself would invite some retaliation. If it just silently deletes the data of a notes app, it would probably go unnoticed.
How do i configure a duress pin on android? Is it a native feature or do i need an app? Using lineage os btw
Duress PIN is a native feature of GrapheneOS. It is one of many privacy friendly features in GrapheneOS.
When I think about how Google could relatively inexpensively back-port those features into Android, and how they have not done so… it makes me feel uncomfortable with how long I trusted Google with most of my digital identity.
Edit: I’m not aware of another good way to set a duress pin. When I search for “Android duress pin” all I find, at the moment, are links to GrapheneOS.
Yeah, it wouldnt be hard for then to add these security features. I dont know whats stopping them.
I found some apps that add this duress pin in droid-ify and f-droid. But i havent tested any yet. One is called Duress, an other is AlternativeUnlockXposed. Both seem to aim at more or less the same. But AlternativeUnlockXposed looks more interesting as it makes the duress pin unlock the screen and it silently runs a preconfigured command to erase something.
You can set the duress pin by going to Settings/Security and privacy/Device unlock/Duress password.Got GrapheneOS installed. I don’t know about the rest though.
I just checked here. Its not present in mine (lineage os 23).
Wow I didn’t think my passcode was that transparent. But it’s in European formatting so I guess I have to trust that cops won’t know what’s smaller, a day or a month.
civil war in 3… 2… 1…
We’re already there.
It’s not a civil war until the citizens start shooting back, until then it’s just oppression.
So important to document all these tactics and counter-tactics. It will also come to parts of Europe soon. Sweden has under the current government implemented prisons for children and forced government employees to report suspected undocumented children and families. And the far-right has not even officially been included in the government yet. We probably have to prepare here too.
In France we have people on far-right billionaire-funded yet widely popular TV channel openly advocating for the adoption of ICE tactics.
We’ve also already got special administrative prisons with inhumane conditions for undocumented migrants for a while. Likewise, on paper, the far-right has never participated in any government since 1945.
Let’s not forget that the EU has delegated arbitrary arrest and violent policing of migrants to other states for quite a while now.
Dark times ahead, we need to fight now, but, indeed, also prepare for a worsening of the situation.
Yes, and don’t forget a bunch of EU countries just signed up with Palantir too. So it’s definitely coming to Europe. I think they’re trying to separate us Americans that disagree with this from the rest of the world so we have no one.
This is a global class war. Of course they’re going to pick out the big target. If they succeed in isolating us the rest of the western world is easy pickings.
Oh yea, Palantir. Reminds me that Thiel will be doing a conference in Paris soon 🤮.
For the ones that get into mediterranian sea, they have to face frontex and spoiler: they are not specialized in ship rescue
I’d say we’re far from close in Sweden. The uptick in SD voters is very concerning, and the rest of the right is pretty trash as well. But it’s at least pretty likely the left gets the win this year, so let’s hope they do and start cleaning up the mess the right has created…
Sweden. I didn’t have that on my 2025 bingo card.
Fascism is running rampant through most Western styled democracies all over the globe. It’s a byproduct of late stage capitalism, instead of addressing the root problem that is causing wealth inequality, fascist and their wealthy backers are blaming everything on scapegoats.
The US is just the bellwether, but we’ve seen a very prominent rise in far right parties surging in even socdem countries.
Well put. We are just as immune as the USA thought they were
It’s a different disease though. There is no political option that isn’t for migration crackdowns, imprisoning children and removing safeguards against repression and surveillance. But as opposed to the Trump regime, neither side of Swedish politics are trying to abolish the other or is actively trying to break down the constitutional order.
Yet. There is no one trying to break down the constitutional order yet. Despite all we’re seeing, despite Åkesson having made warm remarks about Trump for years, despite being hostile towards the media, despite never-ending racist remarks from his party, despite record unemployment, he is currently enjoying the highest voter confidence of any party leader. If the trend continues, the same disease will end up in Sweden as well sooner or later.
It will also come to parts of Europe soon.
In 10 years we’ll officially know the CIA has been funding far-right groups in the EU.
And the Swedish political shit is floating over to Finland too.
Yes you do.
Do you or anybody know if there is a good place to find tactics currently being battle tested and updated from Minnesota and other places? I feel like the HK protests also had lots of interesting findings. It might be useful for SUTR and other UK anti-facist groups
Wow this is the first I’ve heard of Sweden falling so badly . . .
Has been for a while now. Kinda sad considering it used to be considered a bastion of modern society.
