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I take my cyber-security super seriously. That’s why I’m invested in a fridge with the latest, most impenetrable hacking protection. It’s called being an old-ass refrigerator from the 90s that never even conceived of being online, because why the hell do refrigerators need to be online?!
I was thinking to buy a fridge that had my biggest threat vectors pre-installed
Why do refrigerators need to be hooked up to WiFi?
Centralized energy management, performance issue, maintenance flagging, etc. There’s a lot of useful reasons for a big bank of commercial refrigeration to have a variety of remote monitoring and controls.
Damn. Get out of here with your reasonable comment. I want to be old cranky and mad (kidding)
You’d think a lot of that could be managed locally with a closed local network.
IDK, I guess it kinda makes sense.
is there a reason they can’t have this on an airgapped network per-location? i guess it might be nice to have it connect to a central office, but is it a huge issue to have one employee call in the occasional management stuff over the phone? does corporate really need the ability to change the temperature of every fridge on every site? wouldn’t you generally want the on-location employees to change out the product first? or am i talking out my ass about all of this?
Depends a lot on scale and software complexity and purpose. Refrigeration is the biggest energy user at these places, and energy costs are an ever-growing expense that’s squeezing lots of low-margin businesses like grocery retail. Digital systems are REALLY important to mitigate those costs, and you don’t want to just look at the refrigeration, so you need to tie those systems into your overall building management system. If you can tie all of your locations into a single corporate system, you avoid needing specialty technical staff at every individual store and can do more useful comparison of different solutions across locations.
The benefits to centralization are huge. It’s why communists do it so much.
that makes a lot of sense. in that case, would it be smart to make those systems read-only? or is it an inherent part of the A/B testing stuff (or other stuff) to give the technical staff absolute immediate control?
Controls are great. They’re not just to manually tweak moment to moment but to program whole routines. You don’t want to walk around and individually program every single machine the same way whenever you want to change something. If the computer can’t control the power supply or temp, it can’t do anything with all that data it’s feeding you and it costs you labor time.
They’re not going to have a datacenter on each store.
a single pc from 2009 could manage a lot of refrigerators and freezers unless they need way more stuff than i can imagine
shit a 1980s pc could too if we just care about compute.
so they can infect the raw milk with 5G coronavirus radio waves
TRVTH NVKE
Insurance fraud
Dynamic pricing.
Have you ever considered that food logistics companies really want data about what’s in your fridge really bad? How heartless to deny them
I hate this cyberpunk dystopia we live in
Can’t even get find a guy who will sell me military-grade weapons or give me robot arms
I used to think Shadowrun having literally everything from a soycaf pot to a semi truck connected to the wireless matrix was silly but here we are
At long last we have managed to ruin the future like in all that dystopian fiction you all love so much.
We don’t even get any of the cool stuff like sweet chrome, magic coming back, or amerikkka balkanizing after an uprising of indigenous peoples. We just megacorps, plague, environmental disaster, everything connected to the matrix while it spies on everyone, corporate militaries, urban decay, etc etc
For what its worth, commercial refrigeration units with wifi actually does make some reasonable sense for managing stock and having a quick response to issues or even preventing them outright through diagnostic data.
Of course, you also want some competent IT infrastructure, but i guess that got the budget cuts for “what do they do anyway?” Or something similar.
Imagine gathering all the data ever and not using it for a planned economy.
“We’ve never had to deal with this issue, just cut it”
I eagerly await wifi hackable grenades like in Watchdogs.
WHERE’S MY DRAGONS THEN
Reason number ∞ for why appliances should never connect to the internet
Hacked and used for torrent seeding? Bitcoin mining wouldn’t make sense, right?
Residential proxy maybe. Like all the Korean TVs
Bro, why does your fridge need an Internet connection? That chicken isn’t going to send any emails
The attack — which has reportedly seen units set to continuously defrost at 50 degrees Celsius
why the hell would your fridge need to be able to get up to 50 degrees celsius to defrost. Ice quickly melts at like 5 degrees C!!
Presumably it’s just a strong heating element located near where ice is most likely to build up and cause problems, which in normal use would only be active for a few minutes to clear away the ice with minimal disruption to the rest of the freezer. With this it’s been locked on so it quickly heats up the rest of the freezer too. But that’s my guess based on seeing the deicing cycle in a normal consumer fridge, I don’t know how a commercial freezer would actually do this.
At that temperature, it’s a defrost, defog, and de-frog all in one. What in the fuck.
Well it is about French fridges too so there might be something to the defrog mode.
Sacré bleu!
Defrocking my fridge
it doubles as a sauna
50°C ???
Hackers remotely cook your eggs using your refrigerator.
Refrigeration loops can run both ways
I’d rather have hotter Soviet fridges alas we’re in the bad timeline.
20-30 years ago, people saying this was possible were seen as the equivalent of the drunk “Jesus is near!” sign guy
Was it possible 20-30 years ago?
no, IOT as a major thing hinged on both reliable internet (took off during the dot com boom) and miniaturization of computers, both power and antennas. i don’t think smart fridges really were a thing in the mid 2000s?
As a household appliance or somwthing a grocery chain would have? No, but i’m sure importsnt science stuff that required child storage had something similar hooked up.
i suspect that a science thing that had something like that would, as you say, be specialized. most likely it would talk over rs232 or ethernet without implementing the internet stack. thats a lot of extra expense
Web SCADA is a thing since the turn of the century. Took until the early 2010s for it to become publicly known that a lot of industrial installation just had control interfaces open to anyone but I’m sure the problem existed earlier.
ARPANet was originally made to control nukes.
Schadenfreude
And I’m sure this won’t be used as an excuse to jack up prices across Europe “temporarily” and then just never bring them back down.
