Eh who am I kidding, it’s the teenagers subreddit so 95% of it is middle aged men.

  • wideopenarms [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    A person that is FULLY capable of working, has $15 million in rental propery value and chooses not to work. Should they be supported by the government? (Given police protection, preference towards property rights over human rights in court, etc)

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    Imagine there’s a woman, possibly a minority (sexual, ethnic and/or other), with blue hair, piercings, tattoos, smokes weed, has a “free palestine” sticker on her backpack, rich parents, vegan, iphone, lives in a big city. Imagine she sits in a starbucks all day drinking caramel mocha matcha frappiato and complaining about men and the system. Imagine a business owner is sitting at the next table, overhearing her conversation (he’s not a pervert, just a normal guy with good hearing (not saying he has to be a guy, maybe it’s a woman, but it’s a guy)) and he wants to offer her a minimum wage job at his business company. Imagine he walks over to her, business card in hand, and she says “fuck off creep”. Should the government keep giving this woman 6660€ of free money every month, and should the guy be cancel cultured and publically shamed? What do you think, fellow teenagers?

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      “This guy gets texts 5 times a day from catfish offering him very respectable positions like: Youtube Bot; MLM Salesperson; Content Moderator (screening gore videos, etc.); AI Mechanical Turk; Crypto Ponzi Investor. All remote, flexible hours, promising around 10k - 20k a year. Clearly he’s got options.”

  • Enjoyer_of_Games [comrade/them, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    I’ve heard teenagers say almost this very thing verbatim unprompted.

    I don’t know why some in this thread are acting like teenagers are all part of the red guard. Even the ones that are alright still usually lack political and conscience consistency.

    Younger people skew less conservative for material reasons that don’t bear repeating but this doesn’t automatically ingrain class consciousness or prevent reactionary thought.

    This is a demographic of which the majority do not provide for themselves and have not yet faced many ordeals in life. Of course a lot of them are going to have some naive and unempathetic takes.

    The kids are ripe for radicalization but they do have to actually be radicalized.

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    This topic is always framed in a way that demonises poor/unemployed people. It’s just “person does nothing and gets free stuff at the expense of hard working people”. A classic case of dividing the poor & working classes.

    Employment status should not be a measure of your worth as a human, plus you can still offer something of value without having a job.

    As always with capitalist society, we hold the parasite billionaire class with the highest esteem because they “create jobs” and “earned their money”. It’s a sick state of mind when people struggling to feed their families and keep a roof over their heads still respect and admire the ultra wealthy who prop up the system that keeps them poor.

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    The problem with this logic is that it is too easy to dismiss someone with an invisible disability as someone that can work.

    All the people have to do is say “Um, actually I think you can work, person on the street with an obvious condition, therefore you’re just being lazy.”

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    you can frame your question to get any answer you want within reasonable limits. no one says yes to “do you want to personally financially support shitheads?” so you have to find the closest thing you can say to this without making it obvious. and still 0.8/2.6k said yes. dogshit hypothetical.

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    I dont think that’s a category of people statistically large enough to have this concern about. Seems like it would cost even more to police people’s ability to work than to just write a check. I do also think it is the responsibility and purpose of a government to provide the people living under it the best lives possible, it’s not something I observe much but I do believe it.

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      Oh, it absolutely does. There was a policing effort in Australia to make sure people on welfare actually needed it and iirc they spent millions to find maybe a few hundred K. It’s better just to let people claim welfare when they need it, no job seeking requirement, no asset tests, nothing. I’m sure you’d get a few rich failsons claiming the coupla hundred a week but most people who have enough money that it’s genuinely ridiculous for them to be on welfare aren’t gonna bother.

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        Tax those rich failures right and you’d just get it back at the end of the year anyway. Someone who is only living off survival means because they dont wanna work that badly even if you cant find any other reason than it is their preference, which seems stupendously rare, but if this hermit style guy exists, I dont want them to die. Make work itself meaningful, fulfilling and properly compensated and this marginal group that is already borderline imaginary wouldnt exist. The only thing I will ever call human nature is that we like to build stuff.

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    Trying to imagine the conversation between the 10 forty-five year old dudes that started this subreddit and seeded its original content for months before building enough users. I can’t imagine it.

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    Considering the fact it absolutely is 95% middle-aged men and that it’s reddit…

    The poll result aren’t that half bad (literally) considering the framing of the question