• Acute_Engles [he/him, any]@hexbear.net
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    Why is “I don’t think a guy with the death’s head nazi tattoo should be in office” such a polarizing opinion?

    I’m once again wondering how Your Kickstarter Sucks, a podcast about drooling on yourself and going ‘uuummmm’ had the best take on him of any podcast I listened to

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      smug-explain Um sweatie you’re gonna have to find a different angle, we already addressed his pirate tattoo. All these wild smear campaigns just to stop our lil’ smol bean from winning? Grow up

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      He’s not a nazi, he’s just a wholesome chungus warfighter who really loves killing and he only got the nazi tattoo because he was impressed by how many people the nazi’s killed. He doesn’t want to kill people based on their ethnicity and whatnot. He only wants to kill people who are enemies of US imperialism.

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        I really love the people who try to say ‘oh it’s an obscure nazi symbol not like it’s a swastika maybe he didn’t know’

        not only because it’s absolutely one of the top 3 most recognizable nazi symbols (IDK if the eagle one beats it) but because as far as I can tell it’s a part of military training to recognize extremist symbols and they absolutely would have learned about it.

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          not only because it’s absolutely one of the top 3 most recognizable nazi symbols

          I think he did know, but the “it’s recognizable to other people” argument falls flat on its face considering the shirtless photo that ignited the controversy was taken at a Jewish wedding and nobody seemed to notice or care, if a hundred plus Jewish Americans couldn’t detect it, then the average American cracker absolutely wouldn’t. In fact it makes me wonder in that photo he knew what it was but was confident nobody else would and felt he was getting one over on people; that tracks more accurately with established neo-Nazi behavior

          Don’t confuse your knowledge with that of the wider public, most Americans cannot recognize symbols like the Sonnenrad (Black Sun), the Wolfsangel, the Totenkopf (Death’s Head), or numeric codes like 1488, because those symbols fall outside of routine Hollywood cinematics. The “History Channel Effect” and the “Hide in plain sight” doctrines of countless neo-nazi orgs have been major leftist insights into the pervasive phenomenon of American historical illiteracy, don’t throw away those insights just to get an own, Platner is already a target-rich-own environment

          but because as far as I can tell it’s a part of military training to recognize extremist symbols and they absolutely would have learned about it.

          That is absolutely not a thing, the US military does not give a rats ass about teaching about or combating neo-nazism, I don’t even expect the average FBI agent to hold that knowledge. What on earth are you guys saying?

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            Counter point, no one wants to deal with a drunk ex marine, especially if part of the family.

            Honestly the biggest issue is how many people who are defending him so excited to say well I’ve never seen it so it’s fine a person running for congress had it. Only history people would know or care about an SS symbol

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              Counter point, no one wants to deal with a drunk ex marine, especially if part of the family.

              This counterpoint would be credible if it were a typical cracker American family where racism of all kinds are habitually brushed aside, but a wedding with a hundred-plus Jewish Americans? No, Occam’s razor takes precedence, and the likelihood is nobody recognized it because, irrespective of the moral and social implications, most Americans do not have an in-depth knowledge of even basic history or Nazi symbolism. Otherwise you’d have to argue that even if he had the swastika or SS bolts tattooed on his chest, nobody at that Jewish wedding would’ve confronted him—not very credible in my estimation

              The facts that underwrite the premises of a critique are what make or break the argument; otherwise, we move from a socialist analysis of a given situation to a liberal conception of politics where the vibe is God, and to my immense frustration, a lot of leftists have dived headfirst into radlib framings and argument styles without regard for basic facts, which in my opinion, makes no sense considering again, this douchbag is the definition of a target-rich-own environment

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      Why is “I don’t think a guy with the death’s head nazi tattoo should be in office” such a polarizing opinion?

      Because he would be the most leftwing person in the Senate by a wide margin. That’s just how cooked American politics is, the war criminal with a Nazi tat by far outflanks the rest of the Senate ( yes including Bernie, Platner is significantly better than Bernie on Palestine)

      I’m personally just at the point to where I’m checked out on US electoralism but for me it’s been shocking seeing a significant amount of this site and online Western leftists openly and knowingly push Zionist propaganda about him

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        Its not zionist propaganda to say he had a fucking SS symbol tattooed on his body and bragged about his war crimes. What the fuck is this shit.

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          Wasn’t referring to the tattoo, but a blatant hit piece that the New York Times ran that portrayed him as being abusive to his girlfriends and fantasized about wanting toremoved people.

          Problem was that the source was a Republican operative that worked for the Heritage foundation and for his opposition. The article itself also gets numerous other ex girlfriends statements that contradict the Republican operative.

          The statement from the Republican op was clearly a smear job and the NY times was running it to smear him because of his criticism of Israel and the authors of the piece have written Zionist articles before.

          There were people on the site that even agreed with the assemement and decided to just run with it anyway cause they don’t like him, that is doing Zionist propaganda

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        I really hope this is the first one of these that doesn’t immediately betray all of you.

        Not being sarcastic, i really do hope this is the one. I don’t believe it to be true but, optimism of the heart.

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          Vote blue no matter who but hexbearly. You don’t live in Mainr, nobody here lives in Maine. All you’re doing is telling everyone how low your standard for “critical support” is Your support of him means nothing. You are free to not worry about that. This is your chance to tell the world that you acknowledge the humanity of the people victimised by a fascist murdering war criminal, and instead you’re trying to whitewash a guy with an ss tattoo who talked about how fun it was to do a little war criming.

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            I’m taking defeating Zionism seriously. I’m not in this for moral posturing. There is a reason the Zionists are spending millions to defeat him and using their powerful media apparatus to deploy numerous smears against him. You should question your perspective when you find yourself aligning with them.

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          I really wonder how you can claim to think the victims of American imperialism - which he wishes he got to do more of, openly advocates for funding better, and feels he should receive a greater reward for - are human beings while advocating that this monster is the “lesser of two evils”.

          “I love fighting in little wars” and “I wish I got to fight in <insert conflict here>” are not just “scandals”. He is guilty of racialized mass murder, wishes he got to do more of it, and wants to make the USA more capable at it. I assume you haven’t met the people who lost their entire families in the “little wars” he wishes he got to fight more of. I assume you haven’t seen the people, disproportionately small children, who have body parts blown off by the uxo and mines left behind in his “fun” little wars, or indeed the civilians who are killed and maimed when a “clever” troop finds a way to use rifle grenades as improvised mortars after mortars are banned due to the high risk they pose of civilian casualties. I have and as a result I know he is responsible for the exact same things in the wars he did fight in, that he kept going back to fight more in as long as he humanly could, up to and including joining a mercenary company when the military said they wouldn’t let him keep doing the racialized mass murder. But you shouldn’t need to have met these people to know that they ARE people, and that it is not in fact okay to advocate for a man who bears full responsibility for the death and destruction wrought upon them, not even as supposed “harm reduction”.

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            I have no interest in an argument about whether this is a good person. The bottom line is that the Zionists are doing everything they can to defeat him, from spending millions of dollars to deploying their media apparatus to endlessly smear him. You are in alignment with these Zionists – I am against them.

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            I’m sure the Zionists are spending millions of dollars against him and using their powerful media apparatus to deploy numerous smears against him just for fun

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              Well, Zionists get off on blowing the limbs off of kids with booby-trapped teddy bears, so yes, they do take great pleasure in humiliating their servants who will do their bidding anyways.

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    If the GOP saw Iraqis as human beings and were open to engaging in calling at least democrat thugs war criminals, they could’ve brought Iraqis from the places where he served who’d lost family to speak against him to his face; but they don’t see Iraqis as humans and will never malign military for their service, even if they despise their politics.