I don’t think Georgie would have accidentally told a story about how liberal democracy invariably creates the conditions for fascism though, or how even when the good guys beat the first wave it will do nothing to address the systemic flaws that created it, trapping the culture in a cycle of fascist attacks and ever consolidating wealth.
Even with a mystical order of Zen knights that gets actual guidance from the collective consciousness of life itself making the process take a thousand generations instead of ten.
We know? This has been known since the 80’s? Hello?
I mean I would have had deep concerns, but there’s no way it would have been worse than what we actually got.
I would happily trade everything Disney Star Wars in exchange for another Lucas trilogy.
I think Lucas really excelled when he was pushing against the limits of technology and budget and those limits really held him or n a sweet spot for story telling he would naturally push himself out of.
Anything he makes now would be like the prequels.
He excelled when he wasn’t surrounded by Yes Men
He excelled when other people did all the character writing.
Probably for the best.
Honestly, anything he would have made would have been better than the dumpster fire that was the sequel trilogy.
Somehow, Jar Jar Binks survived…
“Meesa back!”
I hate you for making me hear that in proper Jar Jar voice in my head
Yeah honestly they just need to drop the idea of Canon try something if it doesn’t work out drop what didn’t work and try again. Not everything based on a universe needs to be connected.
Yeah, the films have really dropped off in quality, but I love the TV series and did enjoy the recent Mandalorian film. It didn’t try to stray outside of its lane as a localized Star Wars story and a summer blockbuster.
Maybe, but what’s leaked from the story treatments did not inspire a ton of confidence. I guess it might have been more thought-provoking?
He had Indiana Jones LITERALLY ride off into the sunset at the end of the third movie. The most over the top cliche thing for a hero to do. And he dragged him back to make another one about aliens. >:(
George couldn’t write a good "fall from grace " story for Anakin cuz he was living his own.
And Spielberg has to reel in GL during Crystal Skull, yet even I thought I was on acid during that fucking movie
I’m okay with that for Indiana Jones, because Indiana Jones is Cliche Adventure Man. There have been a lot of Cliche Adventures Man, and Indiana Jones is the Cliche Adventure Man with the highest production value. When Indiana Jones throws a mook off a rope bridge, the filming dummy has electrically powered flailing arms. He punches the bad guy and gets the girl in the end. It’s great!
Right, but George took that away from Indiana Jones. They had him ride off into the sunset, live happily ever after, but no. He was a bankable IP and they wanted more money, despite how it would ruin the ending they already gave to the character
I’m okay with more Indiana Jones being made, because it’s an adventure serial. My problem was it wasn’t done well.
That was Spielberg not George.
Directed by Spielberg but George co-wrote and actually created the idea for the character too.
Not OP but while Spielberg directed Last Crusade, the film was written by Jeffrey Boam, George Lucas, and Menno Meyjes. Lucas clearly had a strong influence beyond just the writing as well, judging by things like the R2D2 hidden in the hieroglyphics in the first movie and the Club Obi Wan in the second.
He’s always been a bad director, others make up his slack. He’s a good idea and business man.
seems like this story changes every few years. back in the 90s it was “yeah I got 6 more” and then it was “no I don’t have anything post Jedi” and then he says he does, and then he doesn’t, or then the sequels are about Leia and then they’re not.
People don’t remember their own history very well. Back then, he may have certainly had ideas floating around for more movies, but never considered them “real ideas”
Over time those thoughts turned into real story plots in his head, and it’s perfectly reasonable for him to remember them as being more fully thought out then they were.
I think you’re being a little generous here. He is all over the place over the years, and kind of just doesn’t care. Whatever was the last version of it that flitted through his head was what he’d claim he always intended. Our friend George is also very much NOT a proponent of the death of the author.
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He had a bible he gave to Abrams, which was quickly tossed. Then Abrams boasted on his bible, even posting pictures of the old and new cast in a (supposedly) 3-pic story meeting; and then it turned out Abrams’ bible didn’t even exist (exposed by the reaction to Rian Johnson’s turn).
The sequels were more fun than the prequels, but they were stupid.
OT is still the only thing worth watching imo. The rest is just gobblty gook.
I agree but with the only exception being Rogue One. That one is pretty solid.
yeah I’ve heard that, but then after suffering through the prequels, and even giving the new movies a chance, I had to hang it up. And I like the clone wars cartoons.
But nah. For me it all goes up on the shelf. I have to evaluate it as a franchise and its just utterly incoherent and more “whyyyyyyy”, over-explained, breaking the suspension of disbelief, rehashed, fan-service, panel tested, corpo-garbage.
Forget that it’s Star Wars. Watch Rogue One then Andor. I’m not really a SW fan, but this combo is legitimately great.
Watch Rogue One then Andor.
What is it with Star Wars people always going backwards?
Joking aside, Andor is absolutely one of the top series of all time, no matter the category. It is excellently done.
Also, joking aside… I liked Rogue One alright when it came out, but it’s jarring to watch after Andor imho.
Serious answer: because the point of a prequel is that you have the knowledge of what comes later from having seen the precursor movie(s).
I’m a believer in watching things in release order.
Other way around.
Andor then R1
I certainly understand the logic behind watching things chronologically. But, I believe watching them in release order is much better.
Take, as an example, ::: spoiler K-2SO (spoiler below) Doesn’t it make it better you know who K-2SO is when watching Andor, and it’s introduction in S02E08 of Andor hit that much harder already knowing the character?:::
My friend told me to watch Rogue One but I didn’t. Then he told me to watch Andor and I did. It was amazing. So I went ahead and watched Rogue One.
If I had watched Rogue One first, I would absolutely not have watched Andor. It was…ok. The pacing kind of sucked. Way too many characters and you hardly got to know them. Basically all the parts about Star Wars I didn’t like but more serious.
Andor is just a fantastic show in pretty much every way. You can forfet about the Star Wars connection entirety, you don’t need any knowledge of the franchise going in. I highly recommend it to everyone
Dude, Rogue One is SOOO good. Light years beyond the prequels and sequels. I like it better than Return of the Jedi. Jedi has so much silliness and kid stuff that’s nowhere present in R1. R1’s darkness feels like Empire.
You won’t be sorry.
I would just say that if someone loves the OT and just wants more of that then R1 isn’t going to make them happy. Honestly TFA is as close as you’re going to get to “more OT but make it fresh”. R1 is more like Star Wars through a completely different lens. Also digital Tarkin sucked. Had they just hired Charles Dance, the Tarkin scenes would’ve been 1000% better. That was as big a miss as not hiring Haley Joel Osmet for TPM.
But if someone loves the Start Wars universe and just wants more interesting things within it, then R1 is the juice. It’s recognizably Star Wars without being too familiar or a rehash of what has been done before.
Also digital Tarkin sucked.
Your opinion.
I wasn’t aware that was a remotely controversial opinion. I’ve never heard it described as more than adequate at best.
Not controversial, just garden variety fanboy bitching, and tiresome.
I agree but I also think the prequels fit into the story even if they’re not as good. But the three that came after the OT don’t make a lot of sense. The last of the three is not even star wars it’s so generic
Andor/R1 is the only post OT that matters.
Rouge pne is absolute garbage too.
People look at the OT with such rose-colored glasses. There’s so much of it that isn’t great.
People are hyper-critical of all movies/shows these days while also being media illiterate. Expecting a 100% cohesive plot, and pretending they’re a critic because some Youtuber points out movie structure and plot devices.
And no, seeing a plot device doesn’t mean a movie or a show is bad. It just means you recognized a story telling narrative device.
CinemaSins and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
Yeah it’s campy. But as long as it’s not the sloppified version, it’s fine. I don’t mind films of that era.
Eh, even Return of the Jedi had strong signs of where he wanted to lead things. Toys, toys, toys.
Yeah, but I think it holds up better than the others. A New Hope has some let’s say… moments… that don’t hold up. But like, I’ll rewatch RoTG and it’s still fun.
Idk. If no new movies had been made, the OT would at least be in my top ten, top five even(?) for fun science fantasy.
But the perpetual rehash makes it unable to get into my top 50. Maybe not even top 100. The more crap they produce the less I like it.
Yup. I hate how it’s possible for a film to be spoiled by the very existence of bad sequels
Plenty worth reading, though.
I’m bummed we never got Darth Darth Binks.
And then we got knife map!!
Imagine 3 more prequel-quality movies 🤮
The best OT/prequel movie, Lucas didn’t even direct.
I assume they would have been mostly trash, but then also the ones we got instead were mostly trash so I don’t think it really matters? Maybe we would have got some memes out of it at least with Lucas?
Andor was good though so I suppose we came out ahead overall.
He retired because of the fans and their entitled anger.
