This is the first time we’ve had a president that wasn’t at least trying to do the right thing
W (from his perspective at the time) justified our invasion of Iraq with both liberating the people and reducing our reliance on Israel and Saudi Arabia
Liberals can’t forgive Trump for removing the pretense, because that was the only thing sustaining their delusion that America is good.
Real “attacking the person who your spouse cheated on you with” energy
I’m starting to think these people constantly talking about revolution might have some kind of political goal in mind…
how dare they have plans for when voting isn’t enough
Tankies: hold no power while bearing the burden of being right about everything
Liberals: is this the tankie agenda?
Tankies: hold no power
Animal Farm
Animal Farm is a work of fiction, God damn it. You can tell because it is located in the same section of the library as Moby Dick and The Hobbit.
Moby Dick is actually a whaling manual hidden within an adventure story. There’s a bunch of how-to stuff that was used by whalers as a reference. It’s part of why it was written. It’s also why it’s incredibly tedious to read for modern audiences. We don’t want to read 20 pages of whale biology describing the location of each of their organs or 50 pages of how to process the blubber into oil.
Animal Farm doesn’t even teach you how to farm, making it completely fictional. Moby Dick has sections longer than all of Animal Farm and 1984 combined talking about random whale shit like describing actual whale shit and the best knots to use while running rope through it.
We don’t want to read 20 pages of whale biology describing the location of each of their organs or 50 pages of how to process the blubber into oil.
Don’t forget the multi-page philosophical defense of the “whale is a fish” school of thought.
You don’t need multiple pages for that you just need cladistics. Whales are tetrapods, and tetrapods are lobe finned fishes.
[furiously taking notes in notebook] “get… all… my… politics… from… Moby… Dick…”
you should also quote the ompa lompa songs at people as if they were profound truths
You could do worse
Animal farm, for instance
America is doing terrible things at home and abroad, but that isn’t enough for the tankies. They need us to have always been like this.
We haven’t. This is the first time we’ve had a president that wasn’t at least trying to do the right thing by his people, no matter how misguided.
They’ll cry all day about how tankies are evil meanies for “denying the Holodomor” or what have you, but then openly deny the actual, horrific genocide of Native Americans like this as if they can’t just pick up a fucking history book. These libs can go fuck themselves
“Sorry sweaty but we just had to fund Pol Pot and help members of the SS get government jobs in Chile because it’s what was best. You’re the real authoritarians for overthrowing the Khmer Rouge and having your children murdered in Pinochet’s orphanages by actual, literal nazis.”
From one of their friends:
Sometimes administrations are tainted by the populus
I hate these people so much. Yeah, clearly we had noble aristocrats corrupted by the masses, that’s the problem. What was that about authoritarianism?
Later on they gloss over Andrew Jackson while still trying to say well if they did 1 good thing that outways all the red/blood/genocide
All the subjugating other peoples had nothing to do with the high standard of living. Korea, vietnam, and so forth to all of latin america. None of that helped working people, imperialist wars never help working people’s situation. Unions, and good leaders got those gains. They put 90% taxes on the rich at obscene levels to discourage the rich taking more than their share, etc.
And that is what is missing now, organization, we need unions, but not just around where we work, we need to be organized otherwise, I think innumerable groups federated together on general forums, to cooperate on what they agree on, like not getting fucked by the super rich without consent. From that forum, where we can organize around issues, cooperate on what we agree on, both privately and publicly, we could find and groom real leaders to take government from these parasites that now control it. We are stronger than they are, we just need to unite.
I FUCKING HATE NOAM CHOMSKY I FUCKING HATE BERNIE SANDERS I FUCKING HATE NOAM CHOMSKY I FUCKING HATE BERNIE SANDERS I FUCKING HATE NOAM CHOMSKY I FUCKING HATE BERNIE SANDERS I FUCKING HATE NOAM CHOMSKY I FUCKING HATE BERNIE SANDERS I FUCKING HATE NOAM CHOMSKY I FUCKING HATE BERNIE SANDERS
this class-collaborationist third-positionism will be the death of us. that and the liberal imperialists who count as the “labor movement” in the west.
i was at a parade once where the FRSO guy said imperialism doesn’t benefit the american people. this is why you don’t do that
thinks tankies have an agenda
Yes? Communism. It’s communism. My agenda is communism.
Congratulations genius.
America is doing terrible things at home and abroad, but that isn’t enough for the tankies. They need us to have always been like this.
We haven’t. This is the first time we’ve had a president that wasn’t at least trying to do the right thing by his people, no matter how misguided.
American liberals are the most propagandised (and gullible) people on the planet.
We don’t hide that we want communism, we describe ourselves as such by our very label!
The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.
This is like my lib friend who genuinely believes Europe is turning away from America.
I believe that is happening too but it will take many many years to implement and things can change during that time.
I think Europeans are too smug and racist to ever turn away from Amerikkka. They’re so tightly integrated, both economically and militarily. It would only happen if America were to collapse.
It would only happen if America were to collapse.
It will though. It is an inevitability. An eventuality, since we can’t know exactly when, but its internal contradictions sure are making it happen faster than I would have guessed a decade ago.
We DO have an agenda
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What no class consciousness does to a mf
Unrelated, but seeing it laid out like that in the original post really puts into perspective that it’s actually been a whole ass decade of this Trump shit. jfc
Even more, it really started with the anti-SJW stuff in gaming spaces circa 2014
Before that war on terror and evangelicals, before that anti-political correctness and desert storm. It has always been something.
We need a new emoji to signify the elderly. I don’t wanna use the chomsky one anymore.
Lol, that’s appropriate in this case, but I don’t really think it captures how old the youth of hexbear make me feel.
I think it was the 2012 Republican convention Trump was on the debate stage but he got gooned on by the neocons? IIRC that’s where his beef with John McCain started. Or maybe it was 2008?
My life is a blur.
Tankies stop at the system is fucked. It can’t be improved according to them, tear it down and build a new thing. Obviously that won’t happen and if we tried it would animal farm into something worse right off.
“it would animal farm” is one of the best things I’ve ever seen a liberal say lmao
Tankies stop at the child grinder is fucked. It can’t be improved according to them. Us liberals want to limit the child grinding to 1 child per day and put a minimum age requirement, and oil it better so it can grind the child quicker. Tearing down the child grinder is authoritarian.
Yeah, the child grinder isn’t great. But the child grinder operator class says we need ground up children for society to function. I think what we really need is reforms that allow more children to become child grinder operators themselves.
The child grinder provides a lot of good jobs. How else are those people supposed to feed their families?
Your 401k depends on profits from the child grinder. Don’t you care about your elderly parents
I have been very clear about eating the rich.
They say the next bomb will be dropped by a tier one child grinder operator. Really gives you hope.
These are the ‘very serious adults’, the people who possess the same level of political literacy as a mound of gravel.
animal farm (verb.)
one of the annoying aspects of reading redditor comments is that they remind me of my politics as a teenager in the 2000s, and had I come out from school with a career in typing on a keyboard instead of doing physical labor, I also would have convinced myself that I had reached the apex of political philosophy requiring no further development
I have a keyboard-touching job and escaped this. IDK how 🤔
I had a manual labor job in school and that radicalized me more than a thousand books ever could. Later I had mandatory ethics classes for my degree and that helped to put names on the thoughts I was having, and then the CTH sub put me on the path to
and 
which really put the nail in the coffin of my liberalism and has made me ironclad against the unending tide of liberalism that irradiates my career path
That was just misguided
They truly believed (from their perspective) what they were doing was right
They can’t admit that Andrew Jackson was bad. Idk if not reading covers it
Tankies stop at the system is fucked. It can’t be improved according to them, tear it down and build a new thing. Obviously that won’t happen and if we tried it would animal farm into something worse right off. And just isn’t true, the system here worked relatively well after the second world war. Never perfect, but with controls on the system and governed by mostly reason, we did make the most prosperous working class the world has every seen by a large margin. Now gone, chiseled away by the CPI having been understated for half a century averaging 2-3 percent a year just by 2008 under the new measures, while it was 5-8 percent under the old.
That was not a good faith change, it was done to steal from working people at every level and stage, and give to investors, and no one questions it even still, as the ivy league suits tell us our buying power has never been higher, when that clearly isn’t true.
the system here worked relatively well after the second world war. Never perfect, but
You mean the people who kept threatening people with nukes? The people who proliferated atomic weapons giga? The ones who did 56 military interventions (old figure btw, doesn’t include Venezuela, for example) in South America post WW2? The one that proliferated military bases all across the world? The Bay of Pigs people? The ones that invaded Vietnam because they were bored? The people who made North Korea the most bombed place ever? Coup in Guatemala so that bananas were cheap? The people who would rather destroy civilization than coexist with the USSR? You’re saying that system worked relatively well? I’m saying that they were barbaric up to and through current events.
I could have a prosperous working class too if I decided that my money was the world reserve currency because everyone else died in WW2 and proceed to loot other countries. But the prosperity that was enjoyed by others would, and was, only because there was a big strong union fighting and bleeding for the advocacy of the working class.
“The system worked well after the second world war”
Bold pro-segregation stance
if there was anything positive that came from slavery you can’t say it was only bad!
echo chambers are bad and we need to prevent them on lemmy.world
Weird how both of those are from the same high level person in lemmy world leadership 🤔
the system here worked relatively well after the second world war
huh… I wonder why that is?
It can’t be improved according to them, tear it down and build a new thing. Obviously that won’t happen and if we tried it would animal farm into something worse right off.
“Nothing can ever get better so it’s best to not even try”
I’ve been thinking since a while ago that we should make well sourced posts exposing the messed up stuff the US and Europe have done in bite-size formats, with further readings and stuff, and post them in places we know some liberals and peoples disillusioned with politics are likely to see them.
This sort of ridiculously ignorant takes unironically coming from them vindicates the idea I think.
Doesn’t Dessalines have some sections on that in the Socialism FAQ?
They do, but the libs never read it when linked.
You can try just copy/paste the relevant part, and if you can’t then I think there’s no reason to think what you’re proposing now would work.
I think Laos is the most bombed place ever, at least in terms of density of bombardment, but that was also the US.
Also don’t forget that they are including 20 years of Jim Crow and a bunch of other shit as the system working well.
Could have sworn that figure was NK, but I didn’t look it up before posting. I had to include Vietnam because of the barbarism which is geographically and chronologically close to the same conflict to my understanding. It only serves to highlight the horrible horrible way the US acted.
And absolutely, I am absolutely not thrilled about the apartheid state. Please excuse my focus on the conduct of the US towards the outside world. Shout out to the Tuskegee experiment.
To be clear, I was just pointing out yet another way what the other poster said was fucked up, not trying to tut-tut you. I’m sure everyone here knows that stuff.
And the DPRK might have been the most bombs overall, Laos is just the most relative to square mileage of land.
iirc Laos was the most bombed per capita
lol libs can fuck off. Bush and Blair never being convicted of war crimes is proof enough that international law doesn’t mean anything
Or Reagan and Bush Sr. Hell even Nixon for Vietnam and all the south east Asia bombings
Literally all of them since that court was invented
