Arguably, China has a middle class - a group of people who have some access to means and power, people who aren’t workers and yet aren’t at the top either. China’s middle class is the capitalists.
Today, for the most part, yeah. It’s a pretty meaningless distinction. But it used to actually mean something.
In the early modern period, it was used to describe people who were born peasants, yet had wealth and power to rival the nobility through - that’s right, you guessed it - owning the means of production. “Middle Class” used to be a derisive term the aristocrats used for capitalists. If you presented the modern world to them, they’d say that we were ruled by the middle class – and not in the cutesy way a liberal would mean.
You can trace the EU back to the 1952 coal and steel common market agreement. Hell, the EU does this, EU day is on the day that one was signed, not the actual EU. And it’ll always be that, at heart.
I also think one of the funnier facts about the EU is that all its greatest fans constantly tout the Schengen Agreement as this grand thing, dissolving borders and such. And it is cool, don’t get me wrong, but it also predates the actual EU and isn’t actually linked to the EU.
I’d be happy with a world without a white supremacist hegemonic power, but I don’t think if China were to be the worlds only superpower we’d live in a better world.
Currently the world’s superpowers are committing a second Holocaust in Gaza. It’s possible that 500,000 are dead (population was 2.1m before genocide began, Trump said there’s 1.6m in Gaza when negotiating with Israel). The EU is just as complicit in this genocide as the US. That’s just what’s happening now, one of many American atrocities.
With that in mind: what has China ever done in history to make you so much more scared of them?
I don’t disagree that EU and US do terrible things across all over the world. Palestinian genocide is a good example of why the world would be better off if it isn’t ruled by either the US or the EU. But these horrible things will continue to happen without one, two or three global superpower. It’s not like UN is really able to make a difference. The reason I’m more scared for China is not of how they have treated the people in other countries, but how they treat their own people. Do you have an example of how China helped a nation or people in a way that is western countries haven’t?
oh you mean lifting 800 million out of poverty? or did you mean building 48,000km of high speed rail.
or did you mean leading the world’s investment in clean energy and hitting climate targets ahead of schedule?
here’s some more stuff you should read but won’t because you believe lies to protect your racist worldview
Oh man, eliminating poverty, what a crime. You do realize that the U.S. still has the largest prison population per capita right? Maybe think about how the U.S. treats their own people as well?
You should look into the Belt and Road Initiative, which has been funding critical infrastructure in Asia and Africa for years now. Pretty recently, China forgave some billions of debt owed to them by African countries. Compare that to how the US and EU handle debt, where they only offer “relief” they require impoverished countries to cut social services and sell off mineral and agricultural rights. China wants international partners, US and EU want colonies.
China has dramatically improved living conditions for its own people over the previpus 50 years. This is in stark contrast to virtually every other non-OECD country subject to imperialism. It is even in stark contrast to many OECD countries who have spent the last 50 years neoliberalizing their economies, making life overall much more expensive for their people despite the spoils brought to them by imperialism.
What do you think of when you imagine the ills China has done “to its own people” and have you spent more than 10 minutes actually researching the topic(s)?
You don’t understand, China’s going to invade Taiwan any day now! It doesn’t matter that we’ve been saying that for decades, it’s so certain that we don’t even need to treat it as hypothetical!
I don’t see how you can see the persecution of Uyghurs and the forced assimilation of Xinjiang and expect China to do any better. Genocide is genocide.
if “genocide is genocide” the Palestinians would be up to their ears in job training and political education! i suspect you are making bad faith arguments.
I don’t see how you can see the persecution of Uyghurs and the forced assimilation of Xinjiang
Xinjiang is already assimilated. It is part of China and has been for ages, governed under the guiding principles of multi-ethnic administration. The persecution of Uyghurs is far kinder and more positive than anything the West has ever cooked up. Vilifying it requires a particular level of gullibility that only really exists as white supremacist laziness.
and expect China to do any better. Genocide is genocide.
China has not committed genocide. However, the countries you prefer have.
Hmm well it’s interesting you should say that as German and British weapons vaporize Palestinian families. I wonder why you put your hope in that and not China?
A lot of people are calling you out over the Uyghur nonsense but this kind of thinking:
I’d rather be a German or Brit and be profiting from Palestinian families being vaporized than be one of those vaporized families. Do think it would be much much better if no family was vaporized.
Is the absolute most monstrous thing that you could be saying. Seriously, imagine saying this about Jews being gassed in the Holocaust, or Black people being enslaved in the Atlantic slave trade. Your wishful thinking means nothing if you’re so caught up in the ideology that makes you think Chinese people will treat you the way your disgusting imperialist states have treated the third world for centuries. Thanks be to God that the world isn’t only populated by settlers who can only imagine things working out as dominators and dominated.
What? How is a Chinese person in the 21st Century profitting off the Holocaust? The actual analogous thing to what you said would be would you rather be a Jew being gassed, or a citizen of Nazi Germany profitting off slave labor in the concentration camps and doing nothing about it. And I believe in hell, so I don’t think I’d take the eternal damnation in this case.
you can look at Gaza and still hide behind this bullshit? fuck you
educate yourself and stop repeating CIA propaganda that validates your racist worldview
The white supremacist’s greatest fear is that they will be treated as harshly as they have treated others. So they must invent and imagine brutality to fear, justifying their subscription to continued ethnic cleansing against no-whites.
how the state suppresses their people with a social credit system
Lmao. The “social credit system” which literally never existed and even western media admitted was a misunderstanding (there was a credit system in place for scoring businesses which failed to pay debts in time). All the while in the capitalist-imperialist countries, one’s financial credit score determines their ability to buy a house or car.
This level of arrogant-ignorance is something you can only find amongst true Europeans. Even Americans are known to be more critical of their propaganda narratives.
China’s missing middle class hahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahaha
You are not going to win if your perception of your enemy is completely fictional!!
Arguably, China has a middle class - a group of people who have some access to means and power, people who aren’t workers and yet aren’t at the top either. China’s middle class is the capitalists.
Middle class is just defined through income. Well-off wage laborers. China has one!
Today, for the most part, yeah. It’s a pretty meaningless distinction. But it used to actually mean something.
In the early modern period, it was used to describe people who were born peasants, yet had wealth and power to rival the nobility through - that’s right, you guessed it - owning the means of production. “Middle Class” used to be a derisive term the aristocrats used for capitalists. If you presented the modern world to them, they’d say that we were ruled by the middle class – and not in the cutesy way a liberal would mean.
It’s about the size of the EU’s population
Does he not realize he just described current America?
the political economy understander has logged on
China under the CPC has never had a recession but this jackass “knows” that growth will stagnate
that’s when people peacefully march in pink hats, right?
i thought it was when they start burning unarmed soldiers alive
Chai Ling does live in the US and is probably available!
the 80s really are back
The joys of refederation
We are 1/4 century in and europe is neither unified or militarized, the EU century isnt happening but that wont stop Eurolibs from coping
You can trace the EU back to the 1952 coal and steel common market agreement. Hell, the EU does this, EU day is on the day that one was signed, not the actual EU. And it’ll always be that, at heart.
I also think one of the funnier facts about the EU is that all its greatest fans constantly tout the Schengen Agreement as this grand thing, dissolving borders and such. And it is cool, don’t get me wrong, but it also predates the actual EU and isn’t actually linked to the EU.
Flushing your social democracy remnants to make mudpies will make europe great again, it is known
The facism-o-meter going hard in Europe, the libs: THE EU CENTURY IS COMING.
This is white cope
To their white surprise
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I really hope he’s right
Yes, when Europe militarizes it’s always been for the benefit of the world. Especially when they’re facing a deep economic crisis.
Why?
Because it sounds a lot better than a Chinese century
Imagine a world without a white supremacist hegemonic power
I’d be happy with a world without a white supremacist hegemonic power, but I don’t think if China were to be the worlds only superpower we’d live in a better world.
Currently the world’s superpowers are committing a second Holocaust in Gaza. It’s possible that 500,000 are dead (population was 2.1m before genocide began, Trump said there’s 1.6m in Gaza when negotiating with Israel). The EU is just as complicit in this genocide as the US. That’s just what’s happening now, one of many American atrocities.
With that in mind: what has China ever done in history to make you so much more scared of them?
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I don’t disagree that EU and US do terrible things across all over the world. Palestinian genocide is a good example of why the world would be better off if it isn’t ruled by either the US or the EU. But these horrible things will continue to happen without one, two or three global superpower. It’s not like UN is really able to make a difference. The reason I’m more scared for China is not of how they have treated the people in other countries, but how they treat their own people. Do you have an example of how China helped a nation or people in a way that is western countries haven’t?
oh you mean lifting 800 million out of poverty? or did you mean building 48,000km of high speed rail. or did you mean leading the world’s investment in clean energy and hitting climate targets ahead of schedule?
here’s some more stuff you should read but won’t because you believe lies to protect your racist worldview
https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/
Oh man, eliminating poverty, what a crime. You do realize that the U.S. still has the largest prison population per capita right? Maybe think about how the U.S. treats their own people as well?
You should look into the Belt and Road Initiative, which has been funding critical infrastructure in Asia and Africa for years now. Pretty recently, China forgave some billions of debt owed to them by African countries. Compare that to how the US and EU handle debt, where they only offer “relief” they require impoverished countries to cut social services and sell off mineral and agricultural rights. China wants international partners, US and EU want colonies.
“Every time China visits we get a hospital, every time Britain visits we get a lecture”
https://xcancel.com/Hammonda1/status/1787061224062013553?lang=en
China has dramatically improved living conditions for its own people over the previpus 50 years. This is in stark contrast to virtually every other non-OECD country subject to imperialism. It is even in stark contrast to many OECD countries who have spent the last 50 years neoliberalizing their economies, making life overall much more expensive for their people despite the spoils brought to them by imperialism.
What do you think of when you imagine the ills China has done “to its own people” and have you spent more than 10 minutes actually researching the topic(s)?
Lib is back on the menu
Lmao I see 41 replies under you. Feelsbadman
yeah you people always claim you’d like it if things were better while mysteriously opposing all existing pathways for things to actually get better
Because China has invaded over 50 countries since the end of WW2? Or was that another super power…
You don’t understand, China’s going to invade Taiwan any day now! It doesn’t matter that we’ve been saying that for decades, it’s so certain that we don’t even need to treat it as hypothetical!
(I have had a lib unironically tell me this)
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I don’t see how you can see the persecution of Uyghurs and the forced assimilation of Xinjiang and expect China to do any better. Genocide is genocide.
if “genocide is genocide” the Palestinians would be up to their ears in job training and political education! i suspect you are making bad faith arguments.
Xinjiang is already assimilated. It is part of China and has been for ages, governed under the guiding principles of multi-ethnic administration. The persecution of Uyghurs is far kinder and more positive than anything the West has ever cooked up. Vilifying it requires a particular level of gullibility that only really exists as white supremacist laziness.
China has not committed genocide. However, the countries you prefer have.
I hope you get dropped into Gaza you disgusting worm
https://redsails.org/the-xinjiang-atrocity-propaganda-blitz/
by squinting extra hard at grainy satellite images of schools
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Please explain why the UN and Arab League’s independent investigations both found that no genocide was occurring.
Your fear is straight up just racist and not based on anything historical, let alone based on any realities of the Chinese system
Why?
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Hmm well it’s interesting you should say that as German and British weapons vaporize Palestinian families. I wonder why you put your hope in that and not China?
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A lot of people are calling you out over the Uyghur nonsense but this kind of thinking:
Is the absolute most monstrous thing that you could be saying. Seriously, imagine saying this about Jews being gassed in the Holocaust, or Black people being enslaved in the Atlantic slave trade. Your wishful thinking means nothing if you’re so caught up in the ideology that makes you think Chinese people will treat you the way your disgusting imperialist states have treated the third world for centuries. Thanks be to God that the world isn’t only populated by settlers who can only imagine things working out as dominators and dominated.
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What? How is a Chinese person in the 21st Century profitting off the Holocaust? The actual analogous thing to what you said would be would you rather be a Jew being gassed, or a citizen of Nazi Germany profitting off slave labor in the concentration camps and doing nothing about it. And I believe in hell, so I don’t think I’d take the eternal damnation in this case.
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you can look at Gaza and still hide behind this bullshit? fuck you
educate yourself and stop repeating CIA propaganda that validates your racist worldview
https://redsails.org/the-xinjiang-atrocity-propaganda-blitz/
do you even know who Adrian Zenz is you ignorant fuck
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thanks I will. enjoy economic collapse as Europe reverts to the backwater of the world. say hi to Adrian Zenz for me
Oh damn, people still believe in the Social Credit Scores and Uyghur Genocide nonsense?
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plenty of time to type empty shit like this but no time to read the links huh
Good job, Patriot!
+50 FICO score
bringing out all the bullshit hits. you aren’t dumb. you believe this absurd shit because you are a racist
China’s Social Credit System Is Actually Quite Boring: A supposedly Orwellian system is fragmented, localized, and mostly targeted at businesses.
I’m sure you care a lot about Occupied Korea’s suicide rate too and aren’t just using this bullshit to pretend to care about workers
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The white supremacist’s greatest fear is that they will be treated as harshly as they have treated others. So they must invent and imagine brutality to fear, justifying their subscription to continued ethnic cleansing against no-whites.
You need reeducation.
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Lmao. The “social credit system” which literally never existed and even western media admitted was a misunderstanding (there was a credit system in place for scoring businesses which failed to pay debts in time). All the while in the capitalist-imperialist countries, one’s financial credit score determines their ability to buy a house or car.
This level of arrogant-ignorance is something you can only find amongst true Europeans. Even Americans are known to be more critical of their propaganda narratives.
So you’re a selfish monster. No surprise there. Stick your head in a puddle until the bubbles stop
Took you long enough to say Uyghur
?
You deserve to be drawn and quartered
I agree, Chinese Century doesn’t sound good at all. Chinese Millenium sounds better.
No the fuck it doesn’t.
No it doesn’t.
吃屎白鬼
Why?
why?
FEDERATION SLOP IS BACK ON THE MENU, PIGGIES
yeah, we are so back, this thread is awesome :D
Oh shit when did this happen? Haven’t been on for a week
Why?