I don’t have anything to add. It’s been a decade and people are still talking about Putin’s Pee Tapes. I’m tired.
Whenever I see or hear “Slava Ukraini” I viscerally react as though it were a sieg heil.
Same
It was explicitly modeled on ‘Heil Hitler - Sieg heil’.
Could you elaborate on this? I know the OUN used “Slava Ukraini” and the call and response with “glory to the heroes” is similar to the call and response you mention, but I have never heard of it being “explicitly modeled” on the Nazi slogan.
Looking it up all I see are atlanticist freaks talking about how Bandera merely had a brief “strategic alliance” with the Nazis (something that I am familiar with the heinous deceptiveness of).
During the “strategic alliance”, they also used Slava Ukraini and Slava Heroiam as the call/response to their Nazi allies’ Heil Hitler.
Like if a Banderite and a Nazi met, it would either go “Heil Hitler” “Slava Heroiam” or “Slava Ukraini” “Sieg Heil”.
I believe you, but do you have a source for that?
I’m afraid I can’t remember where I read it. The only source I could find from a cursory search (on Yandex of course, western search engines return nothing) is this blog post which says that it was adopted at the second conference of the OUN, in fascist Rome in 1939 at which time Bandera was networking with all the European fascists - however this blog also doesn’t cite any sources, so it’s not much more help.
I did manage to find this photo of a banner in occupied Ukraine during WW2
It says “Heil Hitler! Slava
NazisHitler, Slava Ukraine!”Slava Nazis
It’s “Слава Гiтлеровi” - “Glory to Hitler”
So it is, I should have known enough Cyrillic by now to have spotted that
Looking it up all I see are atlanticist freaks talking about how Bandera merely had a brief “strategic alliance” with the Nazis (something that I am familiar with the heinous deceptiveness of).
Same people who will use Molotov-Ribbentrop to portray the USSR as staunch Nazi allies
I can’t precisely remember, where I read this.
Wikipedia article basically covers it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slava_Ukraini
The phrase first appeared at the beginning of the 20th century in different variations, when it became popular among Ukrainians during the Ukrainian War of Independence from 1917 to 1921.[1] The response “Glory to the heroes!” first appeared during the Ukrainian War of Independence or later in the 1920s among members of the League of Ukrainian Nationalists.[2] In the 1930s, it became widespread as a slogan of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN),[3] as well as Ukrainian diaspora groups and refugee communities in the West during the Cold War. In the Soviet Union, the phrase was forbidden. The phrase eventually resurfaced in Ukraine during the country’s struggle for independence in connection with the fall of the Soviet Union. Its use was revived again during the 2014 Ukrainian revolution and the Russo-Ukrainian War, during which it became a widely popular symbol in Ukraine.
when it became popular among Ukrainians during the Ukrainian War of Independence from 1917 to 1921.
Sounds weird, because I literally never seen this phrase mentioned in any contemporary accounts before late 1920s-early 1930s.
The source it lists for that has a note for the Nova Rada paper dated 1917 that says it “Slava! Slava Ukraine!” in the middle.
https://www.istpravda.com.ua/images/doc/c/1/c17df46-1917.2b23dde-03-zboty-v-dii-vtsi.jpg
The source says it goes back earlier to around 1900 by Kharkiv Ukrainian students’ association. Not sure how dependable Istorychna Pravda is as a source. The author is Yury Yuzych, head of Plast Supervisory Council, which is some international Ukrainian network (particularly in Canada) so I assume it’s fascist in nature. Found a Radio Free Europe article where he’s associated with a “patriotic summer camp” in Ukraine from 2024 so I’m like 90% he’s a fascist.
Meanwhile mossad probably has a tape of him eating a baby
i have a friend, supposed leftist(he can’t decide if he’s an anarchist or marxist or whatever) and when he sends me some youtube video about the war, it’s always from the Ukraine POV. Add to the fact he’s anti authoritarian but also wants to…the rich. so yea, square that circle, pal.
Winning is losing 1/5th of your country and having to grind your male population to powder
So long as Zelenskyy survives, they can repopulate /s
The only thing he pounding is the coke
We long ago crossed the threshold where pissing on a few sex workers was the least of Trump’s crimes.
It all but came out that he’s on the Epstein list and nothing has or will be done
Why would anyone actually care about piss tapes
Yeah we pretty much know as facts that he’s a r***ist and thinks kids are sexy, he’s a gross pervert and there’s so much more evidence I don’t even want to type. The question isn’t whether Don was involved it’s how much.
In the context of what’s implied he did with Jeff and Ghislain, the pee tape is mundane.
I don’t know who has been posting what, but recently I’ve had even a few libs see through the pirate ship’s disguise.
Some UA government officials have decided to bail too, apparently there’s people within who are seeing the writings on the walls. I don’t see how this goes on.
What are the pee tapes?
As other’s have said supposed tapes of trump engaging in watersports with sex workers in the same Moscow hotel room Obama once stayed in
It came from the ‘Steele Dossier’(was a big part of the OG russiagate and Muller stuff) written by a B*itish spy Christopher Steele, which has since been thoroughly debookned and discredited
Its weird libs are still so stuck on it(I think they haven’t been able to move past Muller et all vindicating Trump from all the ‘he’s a Russian agent’ stuff) when there’s actual evidence of him engaging in real sex crimes in the various Epstein material
Was the Steele Dossier debunked? I always thought the “russiagate is a liberal hoax” was copium and that the Steele Dossier and Mueller Report provided undeniable evidence that Trump is on Kremlin puppet strings, but I never read either of the reports because who even cares about them anymore?
“russiagate is a liberal hoax” was copium and that the Steele Dossier and Mueller Report provided undeniable evidence that Trump is on Kremlin puppet strings
Nah, many still repeat this as like you they have not read the report or investigation into the dossier, they act like trump not going all cold warrior on putin is evidence of him being ‘on Kremlin puppet strings’ but if that were the case his government wouldn’t be the main supplier of military arms and and other aid to an opponent Russia is currently in a war with.
For the dossier:
The Primary Sub-source explained to the FBI that his information came from “word of mouth and hearsay” and “conversation that [he] had with friends over beers”, and that some of the information, such as allegations about Trump’s sexual activities, were statements made in “jest.“
https://archive.blogs.harvard.edu/kleelerner/the-discredited-steele-dossier-a-test-of-media-ethics/
The Muller investigation with all the resources of the FBI and more were not able to find any evidence of coordination between the trump campaign and russia, they found that russia did want trump to win and used ‘active measures’ a scary term for facebook posts. Quoting stuff here(apart from stuff in parentheses):
Numerous Contacts but No Conspiracy: The investigation identified multiple links and contacts between Trump campaign associates and Russian-affiliated(They count Wikileaks as ‘russia-affliated’ which imo is an incorrect portrayal, they have received and published info from russian state actors, but have also done the same with other states and whistleblowers) individuals.(Most campaigns meet with foreign actors as a matter of course, by itself it does not imply collusion) However, the report stated these contacts did not amount to a criminal conspiracy
Receptive to Help: The report noted that the Trump campaign expected to benefit electorally from stolen emails hacked and released by Russia, but it did not find that the campaign knowingly or actively took part in the hacking or dissemination efforts
If it had found evidence of collusion, he would have been impeached for it ‘Foreign Collusion/working for the Reds!’ being far juicer than the relatively weaker sauce of getting Zelensky to try find dirt on Biden, and inciting J6 which were the reasons for his impeachments
Now I really shouldn’t have to say this but seems to be necessary when anything that can be seen as pro trump comes up. I do not support him in the slightest, he’s a fascist, a racist, a genocidaire, like all US presidents a war criminal. And of course personally extremely odious, his disregard for decorum being a major reason he garners such ire from the libs, of which many are now saying ‘I miss Bush’ a person whose caused far more innocent bloodshed than trump(so far at least) but did so with ‘folksy charm’ as if painting and giving Michelle Obama an altoid redeems him of his crimes.
All that to say that the statement the Muller investigation/report ‘provided undeniable evidence that Trump is on Kremlin puppet strings’ is objectively false
The Muller investigation with all the resources of the FBI and more were not able to find any evidence of coordination between the trump campaign and russia, they found that russia did want trump to win and used ‘active measures’ a scary term for facebook posts. Quoting stuff here(apart from stuff in parentheses)
That makes sense. The libs seem to take the latter and play it up to be the former.
Now I really shouldn’t have to say this but seems to be necessary when anything that can be seen as pro trump comes up…
I understand. I’ve lurked and commented in these parts for years. It was genzedong getting banned during the SMO that made me come to Lemmy in the first place. I’ve felt compelled to entertain the russiagate stuff because I am surrounded by liberals in meatspace at all times and am too much of a spineless coward[1] to ever push back on their putrid worldview.
I’m also a liberal, even if I larp as a communist online ↩︎
russiagate is a liberal hoax
not only was it a hoax, it was a distraction from Jeffery Epstein and you fell for it, we could’ve impeached Trump successfully in his first term over being a pedophile or any of his litany of crimes in this country or his very real connections to the mafia but instead you fucking freaks fell for the bullshit and have been chasing Russian ghosts for a fucking decade wasting all of our time
if you still hate
more than 
or 
then just go sign up to die in 
already and quit making it anyone else’s problemNah, death to Ukkkraine. I’m a liberal who is incapable of sentience, which is why I believe in rUzZiA gate, but I also support their efforts to undermine the US from the inside.
my mistake, apologies comrade
A conspiracy among the libs that Trump was on video doing watersports with some sex workers.
You left out the best part. They also think that Russia has these tapes and have threatened to release them, blackmailing Trump into doing their bidding
My favorite part was Trump’s team responded to the allegations with something like “We’re looking into it whether this is true or fake news.”
Like I dunno? If I peed on someone, I’d remember doing so and would dismiss such a thing without a thought. Apparently, Trump has multiple pee tapes and it was a question of Russia having copies. Or it’s covefe 800-dimensional chess to send liberals on a wild goose chase.
Would that being released actually affect anything at all? I feel like people will either say it’s not real or say they don’t care.
It also doesn’t make any sense at all. If Ukraine wins a war against Russia… we have to then release the pee tapes against Trump? What?
It’s a “scandal” that’s absolutely fallen under the outrage treadmill, it was a big deal among libs when the concept first surfaced, ten fucking years ago, but now that we’re in Holocaust 2 it’s small potatoes. These decorum-obsessed fascists in denial still find it worth talking about for some reason
specifically on some bed Obama slept in on a state visit
well hydrated obama: uhhh… let me pee clear
Who pissed my bed?
From what I remember, he supposedly didn’t even do any peeing. He just watched women pee on the bed.
they may have peed on him.
if any of this happened, which i’m leaning towards it didn’t.
The sequel to the poo tapes
Woo Who funds this instance?
Self funded by the lovely people who are crazy enough to maintain the instance.
Also, I’m gay.
Sounds great.
How much do you think anyone would pay to influence like 500 communists users on a niche internet forum? It really breaks libs brains that anybody could possibly disagree with them.
It’s a very simple question. Do you have anything to say about it?
are you funded by Jeffery Epstein? can’t see why anyone would still give a single shit about the bullshit “pee tape” unless they really don’t want us talking about Jeffery Epstein
did your instance even allow discussion of Jeffrey Epstein before Trump got reelected or was it considered a dangerous conspiracy theory back then?
in an interview with a Hasan Piker a couple of days ago Jeremy Corbyn boasted he’s the only person in the Epstein Files who’s proud to be there because Epstein and his pedo friends only talked about how much they hated Corbyn and how they plotted his ruin
do you think Zelensky could say the same thing? I wouldn’t be proud if I was him, his entry in the Epstein Files is almost the opposite with Epstein plotting how to make him president
my questions seem much more relevant than yours
I read your first sentence. The answer is no.
I think my response made my position clear. You are a delusional liberal conspiracy theorist disconnected from material reality because you believe there’s russian psy-ops on Hexbear dot com instead of learning why we hold the positions we do, you jump to these harebrained theories. It’s a failure of theory of mind, you cannot conceive we legitimately hold these positions because your imagination and worldview is narrow.
Woah, a mind reader.
Your implication was that this webzone is funded by evil Russians who brainwash us useful idiots was it not?
your parents, because we’re so good at sex with them
Lol, yeah, I have a lot of siblings.
Your mum gave me a 7£ allowance
Good soul, my mom.
