• WappleFF27@feddit.onlineEnglish
    163·
    4 天前

    Aside from the affordability thing…

    Do rich people think we make each others beds? Tuck each other in for the night?

  • AviAdi@lemmy.world
    216·
    4 天前

    The rich lack the empathy to care that you can’t “afford” something. They think everything is a choice. The homeless chose to be homeless as much as they chose to be rich. Fucking delusional evil people!

    • Blurntout@lemmy.ca
      74·
      4 天前

      We are the collection of all of “our” choices.

      Even the ones we made before we were born by people we’ll never meet lol

      • BooBees@fedinsfw.appEnglish
        39·
        4 天前

        They genuinely believe their familial history and it being the reason they’re rich or privileged enough to become wealthy is their own doing, that they actively participated in creating that opportunity and they’ll call themselves a rags to riches success story for investing a small inheritance or loan of a million dollars into hundreds of millions, saying it was all grind and sheer willpower. They think everyone who didn’t do that is dumber than they are, and then they’ll tell you all about their neat ideas on how scientists and experts are wrong and how all their boys at the private country club told them the real truth about health and economics and women and the poor and anyone who doesn’t believe it is a sucker and deserves it.

    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
      45·
      4 天前

      It’s funny how the most valid part of Christianity, that rich people are the most evil, is the part modern “Christians” reject the most.

    • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
      22·
      4 天前

      If the purpose of a roommate was to make your bed for you, wouldn’t that just make a roommate ouroboros where you each make each other’s beds? After all, you are your roommate’s roommate…

      • jaaake@lemmy.world
        8·
        4 天前

        Not in rich world.

        In rich world there is a title difference between property owner and roommate. These are not equals, but a superior and subservient class.

        A property owner provides housing and charges the roommate money and/or labor for the privilege of living on the property. Why take on a roommate if free labor is available?

  • KingPorkChop@lemmy.caEnglish
    72·
    4 天前

    Scenario 1:

    • 2 bedroom apartment. $2000 a month.
    • I pay $1000 a month.
    • Roommate pays $1000 a month.
    • Split utilities between us both.

    Scenario 2:

    • 2 bedroom apartment. $2000 a month.
    • I pay $2000 a month.
    • I buy bed making robot. $15,000-20,000
    • I pay bed making robot subscription. $500+ a month.
    • I pay for all utilities

    I can see how Scenario 2 will be much better for me. Sign me up.

    Side note: That fucking robot better have a handjob mode.

    • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
      28·
      4 天前

      I mean, if you like getting handjobs from an Indian dude remotely controlling your robot, sure I guess? Though expect it to do that thing where it looks like it shuts down and then starts up again as it goes through a bunch of Indian dudes who see the request and then quit their job on the spot. Just hope you don’t get one of the ones that punches you first.

      • KingPorkChop@lemmy.caEnglish
        14·
        4 天前

        HA!

        If I had a robot that was supposed to be AI, but actually run remotely from India, handjob mode would be the least of their concerns.

        I’d put a strap-on on it, dress it up like a farmer, I’d dress like a can of tuna fish, I’d cover myself in cottage cheese and roll on the ground in convulsions screaming “FUCK ME WILBER! FUCK YOUR TUNA CAN! FUCK IT GOOD”…

        …and that would just be Monday.

        Those poor drivers would have PTSD when I’m done with them.

      • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
        11·
        4 天前

        “Yeah, jobby-bot, keep going…wh… why’d you stop?”

        “Gig working all day and getting handies burns a LOT of your energy, even though you never leave the house, and that’s why you need HELLO FRESH. Say anything at all to start your subscription today and mention the code HandyJ20 for 20% off!”

        “B…but…”

        “Hate a ruined finish? Subscribe to ULTRA PREMIUM PLUS for no ads, plus get pillow talk and therapy mode!”

        “:(”

    • MinnesotaGoddam@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      4 天前

      gonna be honest, i really, really liked the 498 square foot studio i had to myself for a couple years in Austin. it barely had a kitchen, but i cooked gourmet meals for myself and it’s honestly the cleanest i’ve ever kept a place. I discovered i make mess to subconsciously mark my territory and hide my property, since growing up my brothers would always steal my shit and my parents would leave us to fight it out since they just wanted kids to do their chores for them.

    • CalemitousVariantK@lemmy.world
      4·
      4 天前

      Given the state of AI slop and how rocky the road to automated driving has gone, I think I’ll wait on handjob mode until the lawsuits have all paid out.

  • UnspecificGravity@piefed.socialEnglish
    36·
    4 天前

    Let me translate this thought process from rich asshole to regular human:

    • People need roommates because they cannot afford to live on their own.
    • The reason they cannot afford to live on their own is because they aren’t working enough hours (to make him more money.
    • The reason they aren’t working enough hours is because they have to spend too much time engaged in activities that aren’t work.
    • A robot frees them of having to do things that aren’t work.
    • Thefore a domestic robot will make his workers do more work and achieve their purpose of working and paying all their bills.
    • hdsrob@lemmy.worldEnglish
      19·
      3 天前

      They just forgot the part where the people that need roommates don’t have money to buy a robot, or pay the subscription for the robot, or the “don’t kill me in my sleep” premium upgrade for said robot subscription.

      • UnspecificGravity@piefed.socialEnglish
        4·
        3 天前

        Well you see, if we increase costs to a point where you need to work 100+ hours a week just to survive then you’ll have to buy the robot just to do it.

        The model is probably that you have to rent or finance the robot or something so that it just costs you productivity instead of a big up-front cost.

    • Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca
      5·
      3 天前

      He will also make money renting domestic robots to his workers and take the cost off their paychecks while also spying on them at home and selling that data to other companies.

  • VelvetPinkOtter123@lemmy.world
    42·
    4 天前

    This is just weird

    I looked it up thinking there had to be more to this that just isn’t pictured here. We’re missing context or something

    I can find nothing.

    This guy literally thinks people have roommates to make their bed for them?

    Even thinking people have roommates to help with chores, instead of bills, why the fuck would he think the main chore we need help with is “making my bed”?

    Like I’m going to bring somebody else into my house so they can make my bed for me? My bed? That’s weird as fuck

    • Atomic@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      3 天前

      Maybe he thinks roommates is what poor people call their maids?

      Though I’d happily make my potential roommates bed every morning instead of paying rent.

    • UnspecificGravity@piefed.socialEnglish
      3·
      4 天前

      People need roommates because they don’t make enough money to live on their own. He concludes that the reason they don’t have enough money is because they aren’t working hard enough for him because they have to do so many domestic chores. This robot promises to free you from the “profitless” enterprise of doing things that aren’t making money for him.

      • VelvetPinkOtter123@lemmy.world
        21·
        4 天前

        I get that, and while that’s super out of touch with pretty much everything, to me, that’s the least weird thing about this

        Lets go with his logic and pretend we do need roommates for chores.

        Out of all of the chores he thinks I need help with he thinks it’s making my bed? Not dishes, or cleaning, or shopping… making my bed? And not even my own bed, he thinks I have a roommate who comes into my room and makes my bed for me?

        He thinks we all have strangers living in our houses to make our beds for us?

        Yeah it’s stupid as hell that this man thinks we have roommates as maids instead of people to help pay bills, but it’s even more stupid that he thinks the #1 chore that we would need these people for is bed making. And now that there’s a robot that can make your bed for you, that’s it? That’s the end of roommates?

        I don’t need a robot to cook for me or clean for me or anything else? Bed making is the end game?

        WTF is wrong with this man. This is all so fucking weird

        • 3abas@lemmy.world
          6·
          3 天前

          I get that

          I don’t think you got it.

          They’re saying the guy thinks you have roommates because you can’t afford rent, not because you need someone to do chores. You make your own bed in his world, but making the bed and other domestic chores are so time consuming that you cannot work enough to make enough money to not have a roommate.

          That is, he thinks if you don’t have chores then you can work more, earn more, afford no roommate.

          It’s super out of touch as you said, but he’s not suggesting roommates do your bed.

  • WakeUpSmashPots@lemmy.today
    5·
    3 天前

    Wait… Do rich people think we need roommates to… MAKE OUR BEDS??? Are they so delusional they think “well I know the poors can’t afford maids like me, so how does their bed get made? Oh, I see! This is why they need roommates! They get roommates so the roommate will make their bed!”

    • MML@sh.itjust.works
      15·
      3 天前

      My aunt once told me “making your bed is like making yourself a present you can unwrap later”.

      Didn’t inspire me at all

      • Jax@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        3 天前

        As someone who has perpetually battled the blankets never being correct - you’re gonna end up doing it anyway. The only difference is that one way looks much nicer than the other, and has the added benefit of being a start-up ritual.

    • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      3 天前

      My mom just moved into an assisted-living facility and immediately had a fall trying to make her own bed. They of course make the beds for you there but only after breakfast and my mom’s mind at 7:30 am couldn’t handle the “mess” … of one corner of the blanket being turned down. Meanwhile I just sleep on my mattress with a mexican blanket over me.

    • mcv@lemmy.zip
      1·
      3 天前

      Yeah, like I need an entire robot for a chore I only do every six months.

      Alright, maybe I could use one…

  • im_fine_sandy@nord.pubEnglish
    42·
    4 天前

    I refuse to believe that there’s a bipedal robot that can make my bed, with out ridiculous specific programming.

    • mirshafie@europe.pub
      211·
      4 天前

      There’s not. These ridiculous things can barely walk or fill a glass of water outside of highly controlled settings.

      • tatterdemalion@programming.dev
        1·
        4 天前

        Is there video evidence of one of these robots making a bed? I don’t even care if it’s fully cherry-picked; I’d be impressed just to see it happen mechanically. Tucking the fitted sheet around the corners is not a simple task.

        • Emi@ani.social
          1·
          3 天前

          I don’t watch the news much, all I know is this NEO robot but it s not shown making a bed, vacuuming,handing things over and vacuuming.

    • yeehaw@lemmy.ca
      41·
      4 天前

      We don’t use the P work anymore, it’s been replaced with “AI”

    • jj4211@lemmy.world
      91·
      4 天前

      In most demos, yes. Though they have managed to do things that vaguely seem correct, in very specific tasks in very controlled environments and often showing a behavior you wouldn’t want.

      Like for example, they got it trained to pull out a dish rack and put a dish in, and push the rack back in. Then a human pulls out the rack and the robot pushes it back in. Which they like to show as it responding to the environment, but in real life the human wanted to do something with the rack, why would the robot incessantly keeping it from being out be desired?

      Another one where it could pick up clothes, so long as the clothes were within a set square meter and the background was solid white.

      The remote control is the mechanism to try to train them to work independently, but it is a tall order. To get the relatively more straightforward movement of operating a car, they took millions of miles of data to feed it. These robots are aiming for far more intricate work and have a severe lack of access to training data.

      Further, imagine any task that becomes very difficult just by putting on gloves. Congratulations, there’s a task machine learning can’t help with, because they don’t have tactile in the input loop.

      • partofthevoice@lemmy.zip
        3·
        4 天前

        Interesting issue regarding the gloves situation. However I might add that gloves are often used for safety whereas a robot might not need that safety. For example, pulling weeds.

        Though, I think you’re getting at something subtle. It’s not about tasks which require gloves. It’s about any theoretical task which would become harder if you happened to do it with gloves on.

        That’s a lot of tasks when you think about it. For starters, I use my fingers in a kind of “friction test” to make sure I’ve fully cleaned a dish of any oil. If my finger slides, it needs another scrub.

        • jj4211@lemmy.world
          2·
          4 天前

          It’s not about the machinery struggling with gloves, it’s just the difficulty of capturing the data when a human really needs to touch/feel.

          Like that ‘friction test’, the point is when they use machine learning, they want to feed all the inputs and outputs from the human operator. They don’t have a good way of capturing ‘feel’ (you can have a camera to capture what eyes see, you can have microphones to capture what the human hears). Similar on human inputs, for a car, they can instrument the pedals and steering and they pretty much got it all. If a human hand is doing something, well, if the human is local they might be able to make a glove to capture all that, but our sense of feeling can be fouled so easily that trying to instrument it tends to ruin it. If the human is remote then you can just get controller style inputs.

          • partofthevoice@lemmy.zip
            1·
            3 天前

            Yeah, this should be researched. How would you produce an analog signal to represent touch semantics?

            You ever heard of that paper, *what the frog eye tells the frog brain” (Or something like that) ? It covers what’s effectively semantic information, not bits of data, getting sent over the central nerve. Edges, flashes, …

            I wonder what the skin might tell the brain.

            I also wonder if there would be a way to bounce a static field, or something, off the surface… maybe vibrate the material, etc, to approximate these sort of details.

      • Omgpwnies@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        4 天前

        These robots are aiming for far more intricate work and have a severe lack of access to training data.

        I’ll bet that all the data being harvested by smart glasses is now going to train those models. Basically it provides a first-person view of someone doing stuff with their hands all day, walking around, talking, etc.

        • jj4211@lemmy.world
          3·
          4 天前

          Problem is that is too indirect. Imagine trying to do that intricate work on sight alone. Like trying to do stuff with numb hands. Without tactile feedback, we are useless in a lot of these tasks. But the tactile feedback is not instrumented. To the extent that machine learning works, it needs to have all the inputs and outputs instrumented, and feeling is left out.

          We can see something done and have an explanation and internalize it and then ‘get a feel for it’ later. But AI doesn’t currently feature this ability to really translate that sort of instruction to an entirely different set of sensation.