I just wish I could run Linux without CLI
I recently had to install Windows 11 from a USB for a friend building a PC. The last time I did that was Windows 7, and oh boy, has that process been enshittified to hell since then.
Honestly, I think I will refuse to install Windows when helping with future PC builds, just because it was such a pain-in-the-ass. The amount of adware you had to actively refuse, through a maze of dark-pattern designs was borderline dystopian.
I’ve never had an issue clicking “domain join instead” and creating a local account
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True, but from my distro-hopping I learned there are quite a few Linux distros that throw tantrums when you try to install w/o wifi, and some ISOs that flat out don’t allow it. I’m not technically sharp enough to find the link, but this and most of my other problems with Linux went away when I stopped using distros built with systemd.
CachyOS is fast, sure. But have you tried Void? MX? Artix? PCLinuxOS? All very fast, and way fewer tantrums/stability issues. Systemd acts like a bureaucrat that checked out long ago, but keeps the job because of the benefits and does it as spitefully as possible. It’s about what I’d expect from a corp like Red Hat, and one day it’ll ask for your government ID to install.
The Linux community should get serious about systemd and how it talks to newcomers about it. It’s annoying now, and it’ll be a liability later.
You can install them all without WiFi easily by plugging in an ethernet cable. Easy.
I meant to say internet. Tysm for correcting me. I’m truly grateful and humbly request that you take an unchaperoned bath with my teenage daughters.
then quit using it. take off your leash.
I mean you don’t even have to install, just boot the iso and click try now
Shift + f10 for cmd. Then do “start ms-cxh:localonly” and hit enter. Enjoy local user profile without internet.
start ms-cxh:localonly or one of those rufus unattended things are the only ways i could ever set up Windows anymore, their stock config is some bullshit
mfs will learn powershell to debloat windows 11 and wade through regedit but the intuitive linux terminal is STILL too goddamn scary
intuitive linux terminal
Which one is that? Powershell is way more intuitive than bash and I like bash.
bash is more intuive than pwsh imo.
See my other response on this thread for my reasoning. If you still disagree I’d love some guidance on how to use bash more intuitively.
Is it? I find them both equally unintuitive tbh. You really just have to memorize the commands you frequently use, or keep looking them up.
Powershells commands are “Verb-Noun” and it makes it easy to search for the command you need. For example Get-Help Get-* will give you a list of all the “Get” commands and a brief description of what they do. Get-Verb will list the approved verbs so you know what verbs to search for. All within the shell. If there’s anything like that in bash I haven’t found it. I always have to search the web to figure out what I’m trying to do with it. Which can be annoying if I’m working directly on a headless system. Powershell also has aliases built in for bash and cmd commands so you can use those if you’re familiar with them. I hate Microsoft but it’s one thing I have to give hand to them.
That’s not to say bash is bad. It’s great. It’s just not nearly as intuitive.
In bash if you type the verb, then hit tab it will list the possible options, right? Is that not the same kind of thing?
Tab completion isn’t really what I’m talking about here. Powershell’s intuitiveness comes from the ease of finding the command you need. For instance if you type “copy” into bash and hit tab you’re not going to get anything. That’s because the command for copying a file in bash is “cp”. Now, how do you find that out using only the shell? You can use apropos, but who’s going to be able to figure that out without a web search? I had to try several variations of “find commands in bash” just now to get Google to mention it. Most things in bash are like this, there’s no real naming convention and most of the time the names are pretty meaningless by themselves. It’s a big barrier for people who are new to it or only use it sporadically.
Conversely, typing “copy” into powershell and hitting tab you will get a number of options which shouldn’t take much for a beginner to locate copy-item from there or you can find it via the previous methods I mentioned.
I genuinely think you may just be more familiar with PS. I use “Get-Printer” all the time, but it’s not like I was able to discover that command or syntax without web searches. Same with “cp” in bash. I had to learn it and use it, but I’m never going to forget it now. Something that seems inconsistent/unintuitive to me in PS, is some commands specify an object with:
-Name ="the name"Other times it’s like:
Name "the name"I keep a notebook handy for things that I use as frequently as several times a week.
Powershell is just json with jq abilities
But it is intuitive. There’s no arguing that.
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My main gripe is the clicking.
Clicking clicking clicking.
I’ve got keybord navigation down to an art-
But sometimes you have to click.
You have to move your hand from your… Keyboard, let’s say, and switching to mouse, and that split second matters because it throws everything out of rhythm, causing friction where none is needed.
Clicking, clicking, clicking.
That’s my main gripe.
The clicking.
I am Anna, and this is my testimony.
Commit your testimony to an archive.
You could even name it… Anna’s archive.I’m not a comic book villain. Do you seriously think I’d explain my masterstroke to you if there were even the slightest possibility you could affect the outcome? I registered that domain 35 minutes ago.
RUFUS will build you a Windows installer that automatically bypasses the Microsoft Account requirement.
It also lets you bypass TPM 2.0 and lets you remove a lot of bloatware so it doesn’t even get installed in the first place.
The lower half of this meme is getting old to the point of being a bad joke. No-one does this except normies and people who buy pre-built systems that come with Windows already installed.
The point isn’t that an easy option for the bypass exists, but that a bypass is required at all. It shouldn’t be.
A clean install will need a USB installer anyhow. So build it with RUFUS and enjoy the lack of a manual bypass.
So… Every business ever, then?
The other one I’ve noticed is that they’ve stopped shipping necessary drivers with the install iso now, so if you do make the decision to install fresh, enjoy using the nipple on your Lenovo laptop because the trackpad and network driver didn’t come with the iso.
I’m so unbelievably tired of being a windows admin
Source: I did the windows install song and dance this morning
So tired of keeping like 10 different ethernet dongles, 5 of one model and 5 of another, because half of the new laptops can’t even connect to the internet with the windows install ISO due to lack of drivers.
Sometimes one of those 2 models will also refuse to work with the windows ISO, so ig fuck you if you’re trying to install windows on more than 5 computers at the same time.
Oh and of course you still need to do the bypass even if you don’t have drivers for the network card. Ig also fuck you too if you don’t know about it, because you’re never gonna install windows on that laptop.
So tired of keeping like 10 different ethernet dongles, 5 of one model and 5 of another, because half of the new laptops can’t even connect to the internet with the windows install ISO due to lack of drivers.
Welcome back to the Win95/98/SE/XP era. Where everything old is new again.
Actually insane how far we’ve regressed in Windows land
It really feels like Ubuntu in 2008 whereas current Ubuntu or any other Linux Distro is infinitely easier to deal with nowadays.
MS has just fumbled the ball at every turn.
No-one does this except normies and people who buy pre-built systems that come with Windows already installed.
So the majority does this, then?
Still true that bypassing TPM means major upgrades are disabled and requires manual install by iso?
Until people can buy a computer CHEAPLY and easily at Walmart with a distro preinstalled, Linux isn’t going to make a lot of headway very fast. They are too lazy to be bothered to download a distro, make a bootable iso, wipe and do a fresh install.
And yes, they are that lazy unless really pushed to do it.
For most of them it’s not “laziness” but ignorance. They don’t know it’s an option, they don’t know why you’d want to do it, and the don’t know how to do it.
Oh, they are at least dimly aware they could do something else. But they choose not to because they resist learning.
We call this “monopolistic behavior”
Whatever comes with the thing is going to be most popular by default. Windows knows this. Apple knows this. Linux simply doesnt have the funds to buy out manufacturers
That’s the link you need to break. Until then, Linux is stuck as an also ran.
I guarantee if I sold a normie a KDE laptop theyd have no idea until they needed to run an exe, then theyd review bomb me for selling them a scam laptop
they used to sell them, but it was all shit-tier hardware and didn’t sell.
They dabbled with no commitment. And at that time people were always looking for the next faster machine. We could actually afford to. So low spec machines were not a viable sales point.
You mean headway… on the desktop.
Even when I offered my father to do this for him, even picking Zorin OS (since it seems to be decently close to a Windows look and feel). He refused stating that he’s not techsavvy enough to use it.
Do you know the Secretary Problem?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_problem
Your father’s been using computers for some number of years. It’s possible he’s been using computers for longer than he will continue using computers. From his perspective, the current edition of Windows is better than anything that’s come before it, so it’s the rational choice to stick with it until the end.
To get around this, you would basically need to set up a second machine with Zorin so that he can get some context before making a decision. That way, in the very realistic scenario where he decides it’s not for him, he hasn’t lost anything.
My conspiracy theory/pattern recognition shows that anyone unironically using the words “Tech Savvy” in 2026 are either well meaning pirates or just straight up ignorant on purpose. Computers have been mainstream at the very least for 2 decades and you havent bothered to learn anything about them??
Us old people are often adverse to learning new things. It’s not a surprising thing. You are getting the same way yourself about some knowledge.
Worry not, Canonical will have you holding its beer in no time.
Don’t get me wrong but installing Linux is easy but when new people try it, they run into hardware issue, and I know its no one’s fault but new users spend a lot more time to troubleshoot those issue.
But also since people are switching to Linux, I think hardware manufacturers will support Linux so most of the things will be just plug and play.
This feels like a 10 year old comment almost. Hardware issues with Linux must be super rare now except for Nvidia, which is because Nvidia has closed drivers and doesn’t care about Linux.
Yeah but when you buy a gaming laptop like I didn’t know anything about that, and when I moved away from I learned a lot of things. Now I have a laptop with only one gpu and which is RTX 3050 and no igpu and guess what sleep doesn’t work. I haven’t tried nvidia-open but I’ll give it a try because a comment reminded me of that.
Yeah I understand. It really is Nvidia holding Linux back and still the usage is growing every year, so not bad. It would be nice if the most popular graphics card maker could make drivers that work well with Linux but even people who worked on the drivers are admitting they are hell to work with.
Ok so turns out for my issue there is a fix and I tried it and it worked and I can’t believe it.
All I have to do is create this
/etc/modprobe.d/99-nvidia-power.conf, add this to itoptions nvidia NVreg_PreserveVideoMemoryAllocations=1options nvidia NVreg_TemporaryFilePath=/var/tmpoptions nvidia NVreg_EnableS0ixPowerManagement=1options nvidia-drm modeset=1 fbdev=1and run
sudo dracut --rebuildandreboot.
super rare now except for Nvidia
Which for PC gamers holds the majority of the market…
Except even this is no longer an issue. There’s nvidia-open driver, and, at least to my knowledge, it works without any problems.
Tell that to every one of my installs.
Literally every time I try a distro, I have to hope the NVIDIA drivers download and actually work. Then I have to hope the distro actually switches between it and the integrated GPU.
uhm… you don’t have to hope…? You can literally check which driver is installed. You can even install preferable driver version via your package manager and delete mesa drivers if you don’t want your system to ever use the integrated gpu.
