Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?
I’m no fan of Tankies or the CCP, but I’m really not seeing any more pro-china propaganda than you see elsewhere, mostly excitement as a result of their green tech stuff or HSR (while ignoring why China has a need for HSR)
Someone once told me China has such a robust rail system so that they can move their nations worth of prisoners around. I think this is what this user is implying, but I really don’t quite know.
Hey, can anyone tell me why the 3rd largest country by land area and 2nd largest by population needs high speed rail?
After you hear why please talk to the Canadian government
Counterpoint: econony
It’s a secret and nefarious reason, that’s why it must be left unsaid! Just know it’s not for the godly purposes that white people use rail for.
Yeah like what the fuck? can someone with an account tell this person that the U.S. has, and has had for decades, the world’s largest prison population both in absolute numbers as well as proportion of the population
The duplicitous mind of the USAian can only have room for thinking of their next crime.
The only response you are going to get to that is “Two things can be true at the same time 😤 but china worse”
Doesn’t Honduras have a higher incarceration rate? Last time I checked in Wikipedia it said Honduras and Cuba are higher by their rates. (obviously taking the Cuba one with a pinch of salt because the source is a Western NGO)
US used to be the highest, I believe it peaked in the early 2000s? As soon as they took the gas out of the “War on Drugs” machine it really plateau’d
Much like capital grows until its own contradictions push it outward to the imperial periphery, it seems the war on drugs met a critical point where it could only survive by expanding to LatAm and transforming into the avatars of neoliberalism like Bukele. But also the recent excursion against Venezuela was justified using “war on drugs” rhetoric.
The punitive justice programs of dead generation weigh on the brains of the living like nightmares.
Empire of Borders gives some insight into this, that’s around the same time that border policing transformed into a series of South-facing borders trained up by US immigration enforcement and build by US security contractors.
The war on drugs is also a series of South-facing enforcement operations, operated in close connection with the US.
The last breakdown I saw, only El Salvador had an incarceration rate to rival the US. It even broke down the union and listed each state individually, so the top thirty incarcerates were all US states, then El Salvador, then the rest of the US states and only then did other countries start appearing on the list.
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As of very recently it appears to be El Salvador by a large margin, but America literally exported prisoners there.
That would be news to me so idk
Turkmenistan and Rwanda also have higher rates according to Wikipedia.
moving your people around a lot is bad for the environment. that’s why, in the US, we lock up as many as we can in prisons and concentration campus before killing them and dumping their bodies in unmarked graves.
because its better for the environment.
evil trains
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
shoutout to Cowbee, алсааас and Maeve for somehow enduring the lib nonsense
https://lemmy.world/post/42254843/21814710
Millions of Chinese are dedicated to destroying truth. No society can flourish in darkness. Poo bear will fail, although, in the short term they can propagandized the world with disinformation with successes in different areas. Humanity is truth. Without truth, there can be no humanity.
@DSN9@lemmy.ml When you say millions of Chinese (just “Chinese,” not “Chinese people”) are dedicated to destroying truth, and then say that without truth there is no humanity, it sounds to me like you’re saying millions of Chinese people have no humanity. Is that what you meant?
Millions of Jews are dedicated to destroying truth. No society can flourish in darkness. The Judeo Bolshevik menace will fail, although, in the short term they can propagandized the world with disinformation with successes in different areas. Humanity is truth. Without truth, there can be no humanity.
Something that bothers me a lot about racists (beyond the obvious) is how lazy and uncreative they are. Always just recycling existing racist tropes and replacing their bugbear of the week.
I get upbeared with good faith critiques of china all the time lol
Critiquing China for isolationism in the 21st century and collaborating with the US in the 20th, liberalism, cultural revolution, 4 pests campaign, social chauvinism, and other stuff that actually happens:
Critiquing China for Uighur genocide, oppressing Tibet, Taiwan, Hong Kong, social credit score, and other stuff that’s either not real or is simply good and correct for a communist country to do (oh no they freed Tibetan slaves and took over a proxy used by Britain to influence China!):
Liberals could do well to learn that leftists have plenty of time to sit and reflect on the things we’ve done wrong because we’re serious about trying again and doing them right. It’s really telling that they can say we never criticize China or other AES because we do have so many criticisms, they’re just not based on the fictions they have.
we’ve wrapped around to hating china again folks, but it’s because they don’t nuke AmeriKKKa immediately
What a lovely strawman you’ve constructed there lol. Unless you’re being sarcastic(?).
i’m being glib
For any given ultraleftist position said in jest, there is a
who believes it in earnest.It’s me
Evil tankies bought a TLD for $200K to run evil propaganda websites to make libs tremble. These commies wouldn’t possibly have any other use for that amount of money.
Tankies made an entire country to run propaganda on a niche platform.
Mamsa Musa (who was a Trotskyist) created the Sahara Desert by taking a comically large spoon and drinking all the water.
I get that he hated icepicks but that’s going a wee bit too far.
We mention this a lot, but it’s obvious they don’t read. We have some of the biggest critics of China on all of Lemmy who are signed up on Hexbear or Lemmygrad. They just have actual evidence and intellectual backing for their critiques instead of re-posting Reddit comments for the last 10 years.
WTF is wrong with these people that they are scared of Chyna? No one from China has harmed me. It’s been white, American Christian Evangelicals that have caused the most harm to my life. Why aren’t you lemmitors going after those people?
You don’t seem to understand how much the west cares about the Uyghurs. Their socio-economical and religious autonomy is a breath of freedom air in the lungs of Chinese hegemony.
Of all the propaganda blitz about Uighurs the thing that’s jumped out to me is how much the extent to which the specific label of “genocide” was effectively used to divide people. In the real world it’s a fringe position, even from Western critics of China, to call anything the government has done in Xinjiang a genocide. That’s why they had to bust out the term “cultural genocide.” But in a lot of radlib spaces there’s people who have run over themselves actively looking for the most extreme argument they can make, which has them making up these fantasies of the central government of China making concentration camps and killing floors in Xinjiang. Completely different from what the actual propaganda narrative is (which is itself exaggerating a deradicalization program to make it sound like North American Residential Schools).
But because the most extreme anti-China users wield the term “genocide” they can use it against anyone who actually knows any version of the facts, because you can be labelled a genocide denier as long as you don’t believe the fantasy version where there’s death camps in Xinjiang. It’s also perfect for enforcing group discipline because it’s really easy to justify the purity test on the basis that denying any genocide makes you as bad as someone like David Icke. Without that wrinkle, I figure most reasonable people would hear the extre anti-“tankie” people and not really care too much, especially if they aren’t familiar with the evidence they cite. But because they’re told that it makes them a bad person if they deny the genocide, which is a big and scary word, they just go along with the consensus. Honestly, I can’t fault the average lib who thinks that way, the ones I fault are the ones who go out of their way to find reasons to project evil onto China.
Yup, that is something that I cannot look past either. The term genocide being used in conjunction with some extreme finger wagging. The only goal of which was to play up how bad even the Chinese government is.
Meanwhile the same folks don’t want the word to mean the same thing when talking about Gaza. Screeching into the void about how the leftists are supporting Trump by acknowledging an actual genocide.
Edit: forgot a word
Christ, that’s bleak.
Just wanted to take a second to say yall are pretty cool here. We’re pretty lucky these ppl can’t hang.
I wish they could see what we’ve written here. I’ll have to get around to making a lemmy.ml account because it’s becoming increasingly frequent for there to be threads where the people on the other side post blatant falsehoods that could easily be called out. I tried doing that with a .works account but it just got banned by their automod pretty quick, probably for posting too many links and images.
I’ll have to get around to making a lemmy.ml account
join us
These people are going to have a fit when the UK starts promoting China officially because it’s now trying to change ties from US to China.
Reddit blowback when the West spent millions of dollars making little neckbeard mujahideens that didn’t get the memo that they’re switching teams now.
We have always been allied with Eastasia.
I wish China actually gave a shit about propaganda. They sold tiktok for basically nothing
“China” didn’t sell it, a Chinese businessman did. I don’t think the CPC or the PRC ever had a controlling stake in TikTok lmao, but maybe they should have.
Isn’t (wasn’t) the Tiktok Singaporean?
It really is always
It makes 0 difference to China what Westerners think of China. It’s not like we have democracy.
It seems my superiority has led to some controversy
Kind of like how the nu-atheists turned into deus vult guys once their Islamophobia won out over their skepticism, these are the people who, 20 years ago, were laughing and making fun of the red-faced Cold War boomer screaming about Communist Russian influences in the local HOA.
