This is going to suck. Hard. I was just a kid when the War on Terror happened, but what I do remember is that even though tons of people were protesting Bush, calling him Hitler, etc, it did nothing. The imperialism went ahead anyway and the pro-imperialist propaganda machine was just as loud as the protesters.
You’re going to feel very alone in a very wild world (if you don’t already, its already been pretty wild) because it’s going to ramp up.
I beg you to know you aren’t alone, stay strong. At least this time, the US isn’t at it peak power like it was back then. Maybe we can do something about it, but we’re going to have to remember what didn’t work last time. We have to learn from the past and adjust.
You aren’t alone, and you aren’t crazy.
I can already tell this place is going to be one of the few bastions of sanity. I should probably make an account.
Join us!
we’re very smug and sad and happy about it too
I mean I guess, idk. We’ll see how much the media manufactures consent for this. Trump has two things going against him, he’s very unpopular and most people do not want war/want the usa to stop meddling in other country’s affairs. Like someone on here said (I forget who sorry) that the people of Venezuela don’t drive americans into frothing rage like muslims did with 9/11. Add in the overall unpopularity of the Trump admin, maybe I’m speaking out my ass here, but I feel like intervention is going to be a hard sell?
To your point about Venezuelans not triggering the average amerikkkan as intensely as a Muslim does: I’ve noticed a bit of a sea change in attitude towards Latin Americans in my general area, almost to the point where some white amerikkkans are precariously close to developing some semblance of class consciousness. It’s all anecdotal but…
I was speaking with a neighbor some time ago and he said, I shit you not: “those goddam [pejorative] are taking jobs from us and the Mexicans!” A decade ago it was the Mexicans who were “taking our jobs”, but now this man — having worked along side them for several years — sees them as friends and allies. I’ve noticed similar sentiments from others as well. My own family of origin, even — racist as they might be — has come to know and love their Mexican and Guatemalan neighbors through church. They have deeply, deeply conflicting views on the recent ICE operations, and have expressed quite a bit of sorrow at the prospect of their church friends being swept up in a raid… but as soon as you talk to them about Somalis HOO BOY.
The thing is though, those folks all hate communism, socialism, or anything that isn’t AMERIKKKAN. So as soon as the trump admin starts throwing the isms around, they’ll hop right on board with invading whoever, whenever.
I don’t understand, which group did your neighbor say is taking jobs from him and the Mexicans? Jews? Muslims? Billionaires? ICE?
Ah, yeah, sorry. Somalis. He just didn’t say it so kindly.
I just found it interesting that, despite being one of the most racist people I know personally, he lumped white/european amerikkkans in the same demographic as non-white Mexican Americans by perceiving both groups as victims of an influx of cheap Somali labor. The fact that he thought of Mexican-Americans at all as a group worth defending is a phenomenal leap towards class consciousness as far as this dude is concerned.
In a weird, perverted, roundabout way, the interaction gave me a small semblance of hope. To be clear, this dude is as white working class as it gets and he’s lived a ROUGH life. Sexual abuse survivor, recovering meth and heroin addict, and now single dad trying to do right by his baby while his baby mama is deep in the throes of addiction and just can’t clean herself up. Stuck in the perpetual cycle of poverty so many people are, he’s hurting and just hasn’t quite figured out that it’s capitalism that’s got a stranglehold on his and all our lives.
I stay as close with him as I can because, despite his hateful ideologies, he doesn’t mind that I push back against his racist rhetoric. More importantly, though, is he’s a mind worth changing and a life worth saving.
The gamer word
Somalis are Muslim and Africans while Latinos can be white and are christian
the people of Venezuela don’t drive americans into frothing rage like muslims did with 9/11
they’re on the wrong side of
and for many amerikrakkkers that’s enoughno 9/11 means the jackass fervor isn’t here at least. on the other hand they’re not even trying to have casus belli
No 9/11 so far
Yeah the US isn’t in nearly as strong a position as last time. I have no doubt they’ll try though.
We haven’t gotten the country music ballad call to battle like we did back then
Yet
I assume the chud Instagram reels must be full of AI slop that performs the same function.
Tbh I still have a soft spot in my heart for the post 9/11 beef between Toby Keith and The Chicks. When the Chicks wore those shirts that said “FUTK” to, I believe it was the CMAs and they said, “oh of COURSE it doesn’t stand for Fuck You Toby Keith, silly! It stands for Friends United in Truth and Kindness!” Fucking a right.
Tbh the Chicks are dope, idgaf. Their run of albums from Wide Open Spaces to Fly and then Home? Fuckin’ damn near bulletproof.
I know that’s not the point of this thread but post 9/11 American pop-country music is a bit of an autistic special interest of mine soooooooooo
Alan Jackson gonna drop that single any minute now.
I’m still waiting for the two albums worth of various artists “Rock Against Trump” songs. We need a new “American Idiot” to help us through these bleak times.
Lee Greenwood
Gonna have to push back gently on this one.
First and foremost, the post Al Aqsa Flood propaganda spewing from the genocide state was way more intense than anything I had ever felt. Much more overwhelming than the 9/11 or pre-2003 invasion propaganda. Could be I was just much older and more aware of the world around me, but in any case I’d say it was directly comparable.
Secondly, I am not a BurgerLander and don’t watch cable or MSM so maybe I am missing out on the fun consent-manufacturing here, but I get the impression that the Trump admin just isn’t really trying very hard to convince people. They’re just going to do whatever tf they want no matter what. Why do they care, the opinion of the public has never really impacted government policy anyway.
Correct me if I am wrong please.
As a burgerlander, the post Al-Aqsa Zionist propaganda was not worse than 9/11. After 9/11 it was locked in. You were a traitor if you said otherwise. Full spectrum acceptance and no alternative media to contradict.
Post Al-aqsa was the closest we’ve ever gotten to 9/11 levels. Far worse than this. Maybe the volume was larger but social media didn’t exist yet.
You’re right about them not caring as much now, though. Everyone in Trump’s orbit must be thinking its the end of the roman republic and are jostling for position in the imperial phase.
No, you’re right
Secondly, I am not a BurgerLander and don’t watch cable or MSM
Well I’m in this same situation and my experience of the Al Aqsa flood propaganda was cheering on Hamas alongside other people on here and my friends. For this one, I’m having to explain to some of my friends why I support Maduro. Probably a situation where being so close to the target of the propaganda means people here are more likely to buy into it.
nah 9/11 propaganda was much worse including the stuff Israel did
there was more propaganda from Israel in the 9/11 era than there was post October 7th
9/11 didnt just happen, there is just generally less raw material with which to manufacture consent. You’ve got the fact thar this is happening under Trump and the Cheeto in the Whitehouse Guys will oppose it just cause its trump doing it, if it were a dem they’d make excuses but it isn’t so that’s not relevant. Maduro is just like…harder to sell as a bad guy than Saddam cause Saddam was demonstrably a bad guy which makes for an easier sell. Also domestically it certainly ain’t the early 2000s. No one has ny fucking money and we’re being gouged left right and center regardless. America in general is way weaker and it’s opposition way stronger than it was back then, those wars played a pretty major part of that. And also most people arent under the age of 30…just generally and remember last time quite well. You can fool some people all the time and you can fool everyone sometimes, but you cant fool everyone all the time. Some people will fall for it again, but it won’t amount to even close to that fervor, we’re all too tired. And for everyone else:
Thanks for saying it way better than I could. I shouldn’t have got so carried away thinking it would be just like last time.
They’re not getting that golden goose again. They milked it too hard. I am mixing animal metaphors. Online is also online. Im Canadian so sentiment varies but the most normal people ever at my work think this is disgusting and dont buy that Maduro was a drug exporter and the acts of piracy leading to this were anything less thsn crimes against humanity too. The vibe isnt the same…it’s a different bad vibe and weirder bad vibe. Its a desperate empire in decline vibe, a grasping at straws vibe, anything goes cause that’s what they have left vibes. It’s not a great sign for america when this is how power is projected in contrast to post 9/11. It’ll still happen, it’s just gonna feel different.
They’re not getting that golden goose again.
There’s soon going to be a lot of pissed off Azov boys that could find themselves in possession of materials necessary to, as kids might say, run it back, should a certain intelligence agency launder them the funds and set up other necessary pieces. Watch this space.
Like, they would attack America? Not say…Russia?
No, I mean terrorism in Europe as blowback from giving them all weapons. Probably in Russia too, I guess, but that’s not exactly blowback.
Oh, yeah. Fully agree there
bruh Saddam was a bad guy in the same way Maduro is to westerners ,what are you on ?
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
I remember how many of my high school friends were gung-ho about going to war and turning Afghanistan into a parking lot. How they were dreamy about their life story being turned into a movie later on. I do wonder how they’re doing these days, and how many of them went the usual veteran suicide route. Dear veterans of USA, be the grown up you needed when you were young. This is one of your many moments. Don’t just stand idly by and accept younglings telling you that they’re thankful for your service. Save the future generation of the trauma you and your brothers and sisters went through.
I was in my early 20s for 9/11, the Iraq war in particular was fucking wild as an Aussie. I remember the ABC reporting that something like 70% of Australians opposed our participation in the invasion of Iraq but we went in anyway.
Wonder if we’ll be first in line again. What an I saying, of course we fucking will. The Aussie government never saw a brutal imperialist war of aggression it didn’t get a massive erection for. If we didn’t send soldiers over there to commit war crimes, who would we elect to parliament?!
There was almost no left during the war on terror. The european left was mostly what the american left of aoc and zohran types currently is while the american left basically didn’t exist.
We are so much fucking stronger now it is difficult for me to get across just how different things are. Unless you were there and have watched things change you can’t see it. We always talk about being powerless but I remember how things were and we had practically disappeared.
True ,the left now is simultaneously stronger and weaker than it ever has been in the last 30 years
Brace yourself.
agreed
but what if I don’t feel comfortable casually dropping ableist jokes every third sentence
Can confirm, am 31 going on 32. Shit sucked especially when young and ignorant. Was always anti war though. Wild to learn that Bush turned down getting those who were still alive that perpetrated 9/11 and went to launch an invasion, that later went into Iraq under false allegations of wmds…
And even then it wasn’t justified after 9/11 as we had been causing these issues as far back as the Balfour declaration… Imo
Didn’t you post this in 2023?
Probably, fuck, it all keeps getting wilder
Actually I think it was during the 12 day war.
Ah. No I don’t think so. Am I being annoying though? Maybe I should delete this post if it’s too repetitive and condescending
It’s not, you’re fine, it’s important to spread this message because it is so easy to feel alone resisting manufactured consent.
nah you’re cool, it’s worth repeating
lol no. it’s absolutely not condescending and it’s something that needs to be repeated.
There is no alternative to this says only country that keeps doing this
There has not been any break in this rhetoric. Maybe it slightly wound down a little around the “end” of the War on Iraq, but even then the liberal line was to complain about the legality and competency with which the invasion and occupation were carried out, not the killing of millions. Same as what you see right now, liberals are complaining about legality re: Congress rather than the attack on another country’s basic sovereignty or the people killed. They also can’t help themselves in calling Maduro a dictator, being unable to cite any logic or evidence for this, because that is their current narrative for why, legality aside, this is actually a good thing. And for the few who think it’s a bad thing, it is still American-centric, speculating about blowback rather than trying to understand and sympathize with the nation of Venezuela.
After Iraq there was Libya and the Arab Spring generally. After that there was genocide on Yemen (most liberals didn’t pay attention to it). After that genocide in Palestine. The propaganda machine and populace are basically the same, just with different media and a slightly expanded left wing.
On Hexbear it appears a lot of the users are more apt to Liz themselves
Did make an idiot of myself again? Lol
Don’t ever think that about yourself for telling people not to give into doomerism. Encouraging people to not give up is never stupid.
No I just mean we got a lot more people going in that direction.
i don’t get itThere are more Hexbears who become more like Liz than there are Hexbears who get more like Brace according to kristina’s census.
i don’t know anything about liz other than she’s the other host of trueanon
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I mean maybe I am old and my brain is just totally fried now. But I feel like the propaganda never stopped and just continued to get more and more unhinged and repressive after Papa Bush lost.
I remember one of my relatives using the 9/11 footage as a screensaver on his pc and he went all
when It came on tv. I was too little to really understand but a lot of people shared a similar enthusiasm.
