• ClimateStalin [they/them, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Zionism is an inherently antisemitic ideology, and requires believing in antisemitic tropes to support

    It is also a Jewish supremacist ideology obviously. These two things aren’t mutually exclusive.

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      My (Jewish) zionist friend, who is optimistic in most other aspects of his life, believes that Israel must exist because he thinks nowhere else will be safe for Jewish people. It’s an incredibly pessimistic view to have, and one that’s arguably untrue now, depending on your definition of “safe”.

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        On top of the strange belief that the place where you’re at risk of being bombed is somehow safer than say, New York City, it requires believing that Jewish people are fundamentally unable to coexist peacefully with others, which is what the fucking Nazis believed.

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          I mentioned that to him. Idk. We haven’t talked about Israel in a few years because it upset him a lot last time.

          I have to hope his opinion has changed, but I fear it has not. I think he’s a naive Bernie-style “Netanyahu is the problem” type.

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        believes that Israel must exist because he thinks nowhere else will be safe for Jewish people

        This has always been weird to me; Israel keeps talking about being surrounded by nations that want to kill them; wouldn’t committing genocide and ethnic cleansing in a European country like Germany have been the smarter choice? Then they’d be surrounded by all the people who love and support them.

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    They cannot win on their own by creating their own party

    Careful, don’t want to give away the game by accidentally admitting third parties can’t win despite promising what voters want

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    they are going to latch onto the Democratic Party and feed off of it, with the overall goal of taking it over or killing it

    A vote for Bart is a vote for anarchy!

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    I’m a troglodyte. That being said is calling someone who is Jewish a parasite an antisemetic trope of some sort? I am genuinely curious. I’ve seen a lot of things that are but “parasite” is new to me.

    Also, is the person who said it part of StopAntisemites, or are they just quoting her? Am I missing something? For someone out of the loop this really seems like pearl clutching, but I don’t know shit.

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      This is plainly just cheap point-scoring on OP’s part (the org is a heinous fascist institution, but this just isn’t much of a refutation) but along with the parasite thing indeed being a historically significant trope, even if the “StopAntisemitism” people didn’t write the quote, they are reprinting it to promote it, which has no meaningful difference.

      If I quote Lenin calling the Economist a rag existing solely to promote bourgeois propaganda, typically I would be doing so as a way of presenting my own stance using someone else’s words for rhetorical effect, and/or as an easy way of having an argument by presenting his argument that I agree with. This is the same thing.

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        typically I would be doing so as a way of presenting my own stance using someone else’s words for rhetorical

        Did Lenin say something about the economist being a propaganda rag? Your example doesn’t hold up for me.

        is that the case here? Is this ‘typical’? After looking into it, it is quite the shitty thing to say about someone but directly attributing a quote doesn’t seem to be a this- is-that situation.

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          Lenin called The Economist is “a journal that speaks for the British millionaires.”

          If I made a Twitter post that said “‘The Economist is a journal that speaks for the British millionaires’ - Lenin” it would be pretty reasonable to assume I was agreeing with him, especially if the fact that I dislike The Economist is well known.

          StopAntisemitism is a known right wing account, their opinions on these elected officials is known to be negative. When they post a quote of someone else negatively talking these elected officials, you can reasonably assume they’re sharing it because they agree. They don’t have to also say “We agree!”