Just proving Carney’s point.
Carney;s 'New World Order" clarified,
At the turn of this century, most statistical pie charts regarding nations were pretty much America 80%/RestOfWorld 20%, GDP, industrial production, wealth, control of resources, automobile production, PhD grads, best Universities, energy, military; etc, etc, etc.
Today, the pie charts are reversed. America 20%/RestOfWorld 80%.
In three decades, America went from more relevant than all other countries combined to struggling to be just the top country.
In other words, America is no longer as relevant as it was, and indeed there are lots of other countries that are just as relevant if not more so. Americans still have not got the memo, and Trump is simply trying to maintain the illusion. Americans just haven’t gotten it through their heads that they are no longer top dog, and it happened in just over two decades. Americans were blindsided by the rest of the world.
Carney’s message to Trump was to-the-point - America, you are a has-been country, and we Canadians intend to look to the future, and turn our attention to the countries that now matter. that will be relevant five, ten years from now.
Trump, of course, just can not swallow this pill. It is too bitter, So he is in la-la land,
The Americans will have enough trouble keeping their own country together, and the more Trump blathers, the quicker that States like California (somewhere around fifth largest country by GDP, higher than France) are better off on their own, then under an authoritarian dictator that wants to spend their wealth on buying Greenland - a place that has zero benefit to California - who is just dragging the Californian economy into the ground. Texas and New York are in the same position. When it finally hits them that they are far better off on their own than under the whims of an irrelevant Federal governance that has lost its way in the world, it will be the end of the Republic of the United (autonomous) States of America.
I fully expect that very soon, California will start signing their own trade deals and setting their own tariffs with the rest of the world. I am pretty certain that Californians know full well where their future lies. Then, Canada will be negotiating separate trade deals with individual States. It will be sudden, just like the dissolution of the USSR that dissolved essentially overnight.
Well more trade with China and the EU and Mexico then.
The only interaction I now have with the usa is that I am boycotting them. This will be for the rest of my life. I do not want to interact with anyone who ever voted for trump and since I am old…
American here. Please do. The lead-addled mouthbreathers that allowed this mess to happen will need to die off sufficiently before we can return to sanity.
Lucky bastard. 😄 I hope health treats you well for the remainder of your boycott!
Everything we buy from the US is made in China anyway, so we’re just cutting out the middleman.
If we can eliminate US IP protection next then we can build our own technology and do away with them completely.
Everything we buy from the US
Trump’s tariffs are on things Americans buy from Canada.
Indeed.
I was referring to the possibility of Canada making trade deals with China, which is causing Trump to get butthurt and threaten tariffs.
Of course not everything we trade with China will be consumer goods, but some parts of a trade deal may include consumer goods, which may overlap with similar goods we buy from the US, which are all made in China anyway. Hence cutting out the middleman.
This. I starred buying from AliExpress years back because amazon stores were just sending the exact same product for 5-10x the price. People got upset and said I wasn’t supporting american entepaneurs stores they setup. Lol. And that Aliexpress owner is a billionaire. Sure, but why make Bezos rich too? Just buy direct.
People got upset and said I wasn’t supporting american entepaneurs stores they setup.
🙋 That would have been me some time ago.
This is a super important point. You go to Home Depot and you see something with the American flag on it. You turn it over - “Made in the USA with domestic and global materials.” Read - a lot of Chinese inputs, parts and subassemblies. That along with a small markup for the fellow poorly paid American assembly worker, and a huge markup for the corporation owner. Cut the middle man and let the American worker deal with him many-on-one - something that has to happen anyways, if this shit is to ever get better.
I can attest to this from personal experience. I once worked on a product that I designed in Canada. All the parts were manufactured in China. The only thing done in the US was putting in the five screws to hold it all together. That was enough to earn it a cute little stars and stripes sticker.
Fucking hell. I mean we all suspect it and anyone who’s opened anything can see what’s inside but when you hear it from someone first hand it still hits different. Thanks for sharing!
The owner of home depot is a trump supporter. I do not shop there.
Same. Rona’s American private equity owned, so also a Trump supporter.
First off, you mean CEO. There were two co-CEO’s. One used to be a Trump supporter. He died.
with a small markup for the fellow poorly paid American assembly worker
You forget that the fellow poorly paid Chinese assembly worker endures even more hardship under a coerced labour regime. We must have transparent global supply chains - something China has been lobbying against for years - ‘if this shit is to ever get better.’
Almost everything I thought I knew about China came from usa sources which I now question.
Beware of Chinese propaganda outlets as well. Especially on Lemmy.
Whatever big NGO will have decent information on China, as will anyone who’s been there. It’s openly authoritarian and aggressively nationalist, but pretty well-functioning and stability-loving within those significant constraints. And like anywhere in peacetime, a normal day is normal.
(At least in the core Chinese areas. Obviously Xinjiang is fully in the middle of a genocide, and Tibet has notes of the same thing)
I haven’t. Us cutting the US middle man can only affect my fellow Chinese worker positively since there’s more money left from the transaction without that middle man and less leverage to depress her pay, ceteris paribus.
Oh, no, your fellow Chinese worker will still suffer from forced labour under the same regime while the markup goes the corporation owner. It’s just now a Chinese company owner under the control of a dictator. That’s the same thing, but you criticize the one and praise the other. What a hypocrisy.
The vast majoriry of manufacturing in China has always been done by Chinese companies. Goods we buy from Walmart aren’t made by Walmart factories in China, employing Chinese workers. Walmart finds the cheapest Chinese manufacturer of trays then orders their Great Value branded version, shipped straight from the factory to the Walmart distribution hub. Walmart is the middle man. We cut them. The existing employer of the Chinese worker making the trays remains unchanged. There’s no hypocrisy. We’re cutting the most profit-hungry middle man from the supply chain is all. We know how things work.
We know how things work.
You are just parroting propaganda.
Get. A. Real. Job.
I’m sorry you think that, but I’m not the one with half-dozen accounts spamming China-bad all day, every day:
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Or it was made with prison labour.
Yeah I always forget about that. I’ve yet to internalize that prison labour is an integral part of Anerican production, especially in certain sectors.
That’s a very nice way of describing legal slavery.
“Assembled in USA” with the stars n stripes and a screaming bald eagle.
Its a shovel with a Chinese steel head in a Canadian wood shaft
I recall how happy I was with my stars-and-stripes Stanley FatMax tape measure when I bought it years ago. Back when we were still all-in on the US love affair and the China-bad train.
I really wonder what america is even producing at this point. Americans are all high and mighty and shit on “chinese crap”. That’s what i think when i have to use something made in the usa. They use their weird middle aged measurement system to produce cheap garbage where you need said middle aged tools to use or fix. And somehow it’s expensive
Thank you trump for making Carney’s point for him
No appeasement
Carney changed the world with his speech in Davos, the EU canceled the their lopsided trade deal with the US. Trump Taco’d out of attacking Greenland and/or Iceland claiming he got concepts of a plan or whatever in respects to Greenland. These tariffs will last at most 11 months but hopefully only a few more weeks, the Supreme Court down there is either going to tell him his tariffs are illegal or he gets impeached.
I hope Carney does not chicken out.
This guy is big pissed that we said you can stand up to bullies.
What happened to the US doesn’t need anything from Canada?
A week ago he said it was smart. Then it was we’ll regret it. Now it’s 100% tariffs and we’re doomed.
Fuck off. I’m done. This man is so fucking emotionally fragile, he’s like a fucking baby.
And that’s not to mention that he’s a pussy who’ll back out as soon as some other billionaire talks to Trump.
This man is so fucking emotionally fragile, he’s like a fucking baby.
He’s so emotionally fragile that he’s showing the entire world there’s no point trying to deal with him. He’ll always change his mind tomorrow and you’ll be back to square one. Why even bother? You are better off dealing with someone who understands the value of negotiating a deal and keeping promises.
I used to get nervous when I saw something like this. Now, it’s like watching reruns.
I think I found the remote to change this godawful channel but the batteries are dead.
Those aren’t batteries, those are bullets.
Ah, That explains why this remote is so long.
And why it only seems to be able to turn the TVs off
Oh so the batteries are good, I just need a new tv every time I use the remote.
Ones of those old-timey gizmos. What a time it must’ve been.
I was thinking he’d have at least a quiet week or two after the EU mostly called his bluff.
Our deal with China was barely dipping our toes in the water. If Trump doesn’t get anything substantial from Carney he’ll probably lose significant ability to try anymore power plays on larger countries for the rest of his term unless he actually starts invading more countries.
Domestically he’s starting to see some real pressure so he is desperate for a win.
Appeasement is not going to work with this guy. It’s time for some allies, like Europe, to finally show some backbone and align against the US in a unified front to push back against this. If he can keep picking on one nation at a time while their allies all capitulate to avoid being targeted, everyone will suffer much worse in the end.
It’s time for some allies, like Europe
Yeah, but Carney didn’t make a deal with Europe last week but rather with another bully that doesn’t value the rule of law. I hope Mr. Carney corrects this mistake.
And that deal had nothing to do with making allies. It was about selling seed and grain.
The point of it all is not to avoid dealing with bullies. That is not realistic. We are not in a position to do that. It’s, rather, to ensure that we’re not just a vassal state to a single bully, to be taken for granted.
It weakens the US position if we have other large markets to sell our shit to. It weakens China’s position if we haave options beyond them. We don’t make ourselves stronger by closing doors and hoping we lock ourselves in with the best bully, but ensuring there are a large number of open ones for us to escape through when things get abusive.
As he mentioned though, rule of law no longer exists. China is not ideal, but it may be a good interim measure
US does a large amount of business with China but are against Canada having the same opportunities. Fuck the US. China may be as bad but that doesn’t make the case for continuing to do business with the US. We can sell what the US wants to buy but our government cannot make us buy US products.
Nobody’s interested in a propaganda sock puppet account’s hot takes. But, I’ll admit its kind of funny that under your various accounts you always accuse others of “whataboutism” and then you post this lol. You’re always good for a laugh, no matter which name you’re using that day.
We need to make our own “bazooka” like the EU.
How about we line up at the border, eat a bunch of poutine, pull down our pants, face north, bend over, FIRE!
Struggling to understand the logic here.
Me: “Hey, Amazon, I’m going to buy something from Target”
Amazon: “That’s it! From now on everything costs twice as much for you!”
Me: “Target also has other things I need, so…”
They’re swinging at Canadian employers and workers. It’s unclear if this will include items covered by CUSMA - if it does, Southern Ontario is fuuuuuuucked.
You’re making the same mistake as Trump. Tariffs aren’t paid by Canadians.
It’s more, “Hey Amazon, I’ve got all this stuff I want to sell and you’ve said you don’t need it, and you’ve been altering our agreement a ton lately, unilaterally and arbitrarily, making it hard to maintain a business relationship with you. So I’m going to sell it to Target too”. And then Amazon saying “That’s it!! We’re gonna double the price for our customers on any good you sell to us, so our customers’ll probably buy less of it!!!”
So… you sell more to Target and other vendors. Cause Amazon’s actions are reducing your market viability in their selling space even further. And their idiotic random arbitrary actions, basically just re-emphasize the point you were making. Sorta like how Carney made a Davos speech about great powers bullying smaller countries, and Trump’s response – that many Americans thought was ‘great!’, was “Canada doesn’t live without the US” – so more bullying. Canada exports a silly amount of raw materials, which can be sold in quite a few places other than the US if the US ain’t buying. Canada’s spent a big chunk of 2025 building those additional trade relationships to buffer against this sort of strange behaviour from the states.
The US Administration makes very little sense these days.
Get fucked you orange diaper monkey, didn’t you get Carney’s message in Davos?
He didn’t. Everyone else is praising the speech but it had too many big words for him to understand. That’s why he’s so mad at Carney again.
He also called Carney “governor” in the same post.
It’s time for this Liberal government’s “Just Watch Me” moment.
The moment already happened, it’s the entirety of Carney’s speech. There’s a reason it’s getting the praise and attention it’s gotten, it was a wake up call for the whole world and it seems most heard it as intended.
Carney is no Pierre. Never mind the fact PT’s response had to do with internal strife in our country … not with some wacked out pedophilic cunt who thinks he’s king of the world.
Ok, bump the cost of 20% of your oil supply by 100%, double the cost of 80% of the potash into your country. Decimate the US automotive supply chain and shut down plants in the US. Go for it! I kept thinking about Carney’s speech, was it a bit over the top (ie, is this really a rupture or just a 4 year blip), but it proves without a doubt that Carney was 100% correct. The response to this is not to cowtow down to Washington trying to find a way to talk them out of this. It’s to stand firm, prepare retaliation and support for industries/unemployed, and prep to make this transition for our economy once and for all. This needs to end now, we may as well pull the bandaid. It will be ugly but necessary.
(ie, is this really a rupture or just a 4 year blip)
It’s a rupture. The Canada/US relationship has been shaky this entire millennium. Many people here are probably too young to remember, but the US got mad when Canada joined the US in Afghanistan, but refused to join the next adventure in Iraq. They might have heard of Freedom Fries, but forget how the US was encouraging Americans to boycott Canadian goods because “you’re either with us or you’re with the terrists!”
After Bush, Obama made things somewhat normal again, but after Obama, the US elected Trump, then it was Biden, then it was Trump again. If every second president the US elects is going to try to wreck Canada’s economy for not simply falling in line, the relationship is done for. Besides, any deal with the US would now be a suicide pact. The US is intent on destroying itself. You don’t want to tightly integrate your economy to that of a country that is poised to collapse.
Its not a blip. How can you trust America ever again. They could vote someone else in and do the same.
Assuming there’s ever going to be another free and fair election in the US.
It’s not a 4yr blip, because this isn’t about Trump.
It’s about the American System not being able to prevent a Trump.
For all the talk of the constitution/branches/check and balances,
It’s obvious, none of it worked.
ALL of this. ☝️
Can’t remember where I first saw this, but America isn’t the way it is because it Trump is president. Trump is president because of how America is. This isn’t a blip. If he had lost resoundingly I’d be willing to call it a blip.
FYI kowtow is the correct spelling, not cowtow.
