• umbrellacloud@leminal.spaceEnglish
    11·
    6 天前

    AI is like human genitalia. I only like it when I’m in the mood for it, and I don’t want it shoved in my face at any other time.

  • MattW03@lemmy.caEnglish
    16·
    6 天前

    LibreWolf looks good these days.

    As there seems to have been recent confusion about this, just a quick “official” toot to then pin: we haven’t and won’t support “generative AI” related stuff in LibreWolf. If you see some features like that (like Perplexity search recently, or the link preview feature now) it is solely because it “slipped through”. As soon as we become aware of something like this / it gets reported to us, we will remove/disable it ASAP.

    https://chaos.social/@librewolf/115716906957137196

      • MattW03@lemmy.caEnglish
        3·
        6 天前

        Yep. Is basically a firefox stripped from junk. Just remember is very stick on privacy, if something is not visible or some pics don’t upload, you just have to enable the site permission from the icon in the navigation bar.

        • voodooattack@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          6 天前

          That’s excellent! I’ll have to investigate how to make work with profiles-sync-daemon on my system. Then it’s a definite conclusion! Thank you.

  • sudoer777@lemmy.mlEnglish
    17·
    7 天前

    “Firefox is evolving into an agentic browser, connecting devices, cloud, and AI to unlock intelligent productivity and secure work anywhere. Join us at #MozillaIgnite to see how frontier firms are transforming with Firefox and what’s next for the platform. We can’t wait to show you!”

    • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      162·
      7 天前

      Yeah but its a soft fork, inherently dependent on mozilla.

      Mozilla is circling the drain, determined to drive away the last of its users.

      • ballgoat@lemmy.zipEnglish
        62·
        7 天前

        Who cares if it’s a soft fork as long as it’s open source? The point is to keep the fork clean and if Mozilla fails, the community can just take it over.

        • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          51·
          6 天前

          Not really.

          Mozilla spends many millions a year on devs for their browser.

          If they stop doing that, LibreWolf won’t have any patches or updates.

          The community is t going to take over from mozilla.

          • ballgoat@lemmy.zipEnglish
            1·
            6 天前

            I’m not saying it would be easy, but that’s the whole point behind open source. We’d have to at least try.

            • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              1·
              5 天前

              “the community taking over” is not the whole point behind open source.

              There’s plenty of open source projects that need 100s of developers with niche credentials and experience to maintain.

              If mozilla dies, and that’s the current trajectory, then ladybug or similar will be our refuge.

              • ballgoat@lemmy.zipEnglish
                1·
                5 天前

                Yes, “the community taking over” is the entire ideology behind open source. Thats what it means. Anyone can develop it. It doesn’t mean that it needs to happen, just that part of the freedom you have is to do so. You’re conflating the two.

        • picnic@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          6 天前

          Dunno how pale moon is doing nowadays, but forks either follow the bigger principles of the base project or wither into obscureness if the base project changes underlying technologies.

  • Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.clubEnglish
    7·
    7 天前

    I’m still angry that an (optionally) AI browser isn’t the worst idea as a headline/dev direction … if you don’t read any further than the headline that is.

    I do want or eventually will need some local, foss AI to deal with all the megacorp bs AI that will be just everywhere on the internets (I can’t humanly fight the increasing megacorp slop, I need/will need my own AI to help me fight and navigate it, as a freedom necessity).
    Someone pls work on that, I don’t want to live in an internetless cave/woods for the rest of my life (the cave/woods is what I wish for regardless, it’s just a question of my need for internet access).

    But no, they decided to hammer their dicks with all the megamatacorp AIs. I mean, it’s prob marginally better than to forward ppl to sites or Chrome, but it’s not a thing that you would want publicized as a major step/direction, it’s at the very least distasteful.

    • N00byKing@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      6 天前

      Pretty sure the translate feature is using local ai, which I think is great! Its not as accurate as others, but a lot more trustworthy at least

    • Buddahriffic@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      6 天前

      Also AI could theoretically do an even better job at ad blocking and also block other annoying shit like autoplay videos and html5 popups (fuck any web dev that uses them without a user click prompting the popup, they are like the old style popups that were a cancer on the early web, only marginally better because they don’t try to bomb your browser/system like they occasionally would do back then).

      Though what I’d really like to see is a DOM designed to serve the user’s will rather than the webdevs’.

      • Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.clubEnglish
        3·
        6 天前

        Yes, this is exactly what I meant, smart blocking (especially since nowdays ads are “content”), and at some point in the future when services (eg banks) will force you to go through their ultra-processed & upsalesy AI chat for everything you could just send in your own AI to deal with their bs AI trying to monetise everything.

      • Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.clubEnglish
        2·
        7 天前

        Oh, qewl, that is almost what I meant if they pivot that way.

        (Something seems familiar with this, but can’t even decide if I heard about it before or not. If it would integrate in the everyday browsing experience without too much extra external data, this could eventually be the help I spoke about.)

    • ysjet@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      6 天前

      It’s a fucking infection is what it is.

      Even HomeAssistant, which is literally meant to be the open source alternative to all the big tech megacorp enshittification, is now vibe coding their server core and most major plugins, as I found out recently.

      They’re also censoring discussion about it on their forums, when I tried bringing it up- everything hidden as ‘off topic.’

      A complete betrayal of their users, imo.

  • KeenFlame@feddit.nuEnglish
    2·
    5 天前

    I swapped for librewolf and enjoy all my shit still there. With ungoogled chromium for those sites that has some insane reason for the site breaking down when you look at it with anything but a missionary get. Trying helium too but yeah my Firefox is customized out the wazoo

  • asudox@lemmy.asudox.devEnglish
    2·
    6 天前

    I can’t contain my excitement for the new modern AI browser, Microzilla Firepilot (stolen from phoronix). Best of all, every AI functionality is opt-out, so you don’t have to waste time turning them all on.

    Google’s browser will be left in the dust!!!

    Now that is innovation. Good job, new Firefox CEO.

  • Alphonsus@lemmy.worldBannedEnglish
    3·
    7 天前

    I suggest they should also bring back continuous scrolling, it makes browsing and reading easier there.

  • mechoman444@lemmy.worldEnglish
    42·
    7 天前

    The only reason I use Firefox is because it has my chaterbate password saved on it and I can’t remember it.

    • sakuraba@lemmy.mlEnglish
      49·
      7 天前

      Hold your click for at least one second on any link and it will show a preview of the link and suggest you to use AI to describe it

      • Skua@kbin.earth
        24·
        7 天前

        Settings > scroll down to “General” > look at the options under “Enable link previews”. You can turn the previews off altogether or just turn off the AI part

        • Nalivai@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          7 天前

          Yeah, you can also opt out of your planet being demolished to build the intergalactic highway, the form is in the basement.
          Incidentally, most of the new llm bullshits are on by default and can’t be turn off in the settings, you need to go to about:config and search for .ml to do so (not to be confused with .ml instance of lemmy which you also can’t easily opt out of). Obviously this settings aren’t synchronised between instances by “synchronise all settings” thingy which they need my personal info for, why would it, so you need to do it every time. Also also they sometimes revert back with major updates, because obviously they are.

        • tiramichu@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          371·
          7 天前

          This is a defence only until it isn’t - although thank you for the tip.

          That’s how Windows has been going for years - adding more and more crap and make it all default enabled, and people are like “Oh just turn it off bro.”

          Then every update adds more unwanted options that get increasingly difficult to turn off, or randomly turn themselves back on, and before you know it we’ve reached a point where every new install soon needs an entire checklist to go through to make things actually usable again.

          That is not how life should be. I want something that respects me by default, and if it wants me to try a feature I might find even slightly objectional, I should have to explicitly opt-in and say YES.

          Firefox is setting a precedent by moving in this direction, and they’ve showed their hand. There’s only more where this came from, and I won’t tolerate it, even if I can turn it off.

          When the Firefox terms and conditions drama happened some months back, that was the push I needed to switch to Librewolf. It’s a Firefox fork with privacy-respecting settings out of the gate, no sponsored content, no ads, uBlock pre-installed, and absolutely zero AI. If you’re a Firefox user, I recommend you try it too.

        • dreamos82@lemmy.worldEnglish
          91·
          7 天前

          In my opinion this is one of the main issues. All those features should be disabled by default, and only the user decide if they want to enable them!

          But they are doing the opposite.

        • sakuraba@lemmy.mlEnglish
          31·
          7 天前

          Thanks I already did that, but it still ticks me off that I had to find out they added this while using the browser. This shit should be off by default.

      • SchadrachEnglish
        169·
        7 天前

        So it’s entirely optional, you only encounter it by interacting with the browser in an atypical way, and the thing it does is a thing that AI is actually pretty decent at (summarizing text)? Sounds like they couldn’t stop themselves from joining the dick hammering bandwagon, but decided not to hit it too hard.

        • Nalivai@lemmy.worldEnglish
          7·
          7 天前

          entirely optional

          No, it’s on by default, it has access to everything you’re browsing and doing fuck knows what with it, and you need to know that it is doing it and unless you’ve read it somewhere you don’t know that it’s there.

          thing that AI is actually pretty decent at (summarizing text)

          That’s so not true it’s not even funny.

          I mean yeah, it could be worse, everything could be worse. Still, not good, not good at all.

        • gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          3·
          7 天前

          *yet

          The new CEO is an AI True Believer, and I don’t doubt this will last.

          They’ll remove the options to turn it off, and make it full of the AI features, with no opt-out or opt-in

        • kieron115@startrek.websiteEnglish
          16·
          7 天前

          This isn’t my wheelhouse so take it with a grain of salt, but an argument against link summarizers that I’ve heard is that it takes views away from websites that could be generating revenue for themselves. Instead an LLM scraped their content and fed a summary directly to the user.

          • SchadrachEnglish
            62·
            7 天前

            Do people making that argument also find ad blockers even ten percent as horrible as this? They both ultimately have the same effect, which is your web browser not maximizing someone else’s profits by denying them a revenue opportunity.

            I’d be curious if the link summarizer in Firefox runs a model locally or calls some remote API. Most current machines ought to be able to run an appropriate LLM model for that task.

            • kieron115@startrek.websiteEnglish
              3·
              7 天前

              That’s a good question. I’d personally argue that it’s different in that the adblockers are not an inbuilt part of Firefox, they’re made by extension developers. This is built right into the browser.

          • quantumcrop@lemmy.todayEnglish
            41·
            7 天前

            It’s more of a concern with google summaries that show up at the top of search results because it completely removes the need to click on any of the websites it pulls from. Ideally a link summary just lets you figure out which link you need without clicking on and looking at each one.

            • kieron115@startrek.websiteEnglish
              1·
              7 天前

              Thanks for adding that detail, makes sense. I was thinking the link previews were yeah more like the google results. Hover over and not have to go to the site.

        • ɯᴉuoʇuɐ@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          72·
          7 天前

          you only encounter it by interacting with the browser in an atypical way

          Leaving my pointer on a random place that happens to be a link is atypical? I don’t think it is. I had this pop up to me a couple of days ago and I didn’t even understand what could’ve triggered it, I was wondering if I clicked something or pressed a key unconsciously.

          and the thing it does is a thing that AI is actually pretty decent at (summarizing text)

          Pretty decent? Just passable, if the text is about some run-of-the-mill topic.

          • SchadrachEnglish
            24·
            7 天前

            Doesn’t do that for me. I have to hold left click on a link for over a second to trigger it.

            And yeah, pretty decent. It can produce a basically summary of a fair amount of text pretty quickly and generally accurately. It’s not an expert wordsmith, it won’t give a deep and thoughtful analysis of the poem you pointed it at or anything, but that’s not the use case. The use case is “give me the key bullet points of this article so I can decide if I should give it more attention.”, and it does that job pretty well.

            • Nalivai@lemmy.worldEnglish
              5·
              7 天前

              generally accurately

              This is absolutely, demonstrably, documentedly not true. It is accurate sometimes, and sometimes it shows you absolute bullshit. When will it be accurate? Who knows. So you can use it only when you don’t care about the truth, in which case why even bother, just imagine the article said what you wanted it to say and be done with it

              • SchadrachEnglish
                1·
                7 天前

                Depends on model tuning. Basically, you can tune a model to hallucinate less, or to write more human-like, but not really both at the same time, at least not for a model you could expect most users to run locally. For this sort of application (summarizing text), you’d tune heavily against hallucination, because ideally your bullet points are going to mostly be made up of direct paraphrase of article text, with a very limited need for fluid writing or anything even vaguely creative.

                • Nalivai@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  2·
                  7 天前

                  Basically, you can tune a model to hallucinate less

                  You can tune it to hallucinate more, you can’t tune it to not hallucinate at all, and that’s what matters. You need it to be “not at all” if you want it to be useful, otherwise you can never be sure that it’s not lying, and you can’t check for lies other than reading the article, which defies the whole purpose of it.

            • ɯᴉuoʇuɐ@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              1·
              6 天前

              Doesn’t do that for me. I have to hold left click on a link for over a second to trigger it.

              I misunderstood the previous comments, actually, yeah, it’s not triggered the way I assumed.

              The use case is “give me the key bullet points of this article so I can decide if I should give it more attention.”, and it does that job pretty well.

              I’ll put aside all the other complaints I have on my mind, because we’ve both probably gone through similar discussions, I don’t want to get bogged down in yet another, and just say that I honestly can’t imagine this being such a useful or time-saving thing in the first place. Like, did it use to be a frequent problem to you to start reading an article, realise you’re not interested, and give up on it?

        • sakuraba@lemmy.mlEnglish
          4·
          7 天前

          Holding my click on a volume slider triggered the feature so it quickly became really annoying

    • kieron115@startrek.websiteEnglish
      15·
      7 天前

      There are a bunch of flags in about:config you can check as well, if you wanna be extra sure they’re turned off. Just search for browser.ml. There are more but this was all I could capture in one screenshot. Bold means I had to change it, which means it was on by default. That said I’m using CachyOS repos, not the direct Arch ones.