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      It’s a bit Data Center specific. Many are getting built. Business, and especially manufacturing, has always had big rate subsidies at expense of consumers. DCs don’t create many permanent jobs per MWh consumed though.

      It is easy to conclude that costs to society from increased electric rates, outweigh the benefits of tax revenue and jobs, utility profits, and big tech profits. Ultimate argument is going to be, if you are not extorted by electricity scarcity, and big tech data collection, then China will win at AI, so FU commie.

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      I’m not sure what many of those words are, but I feel like the people you’re talking about are not well-versed, so I’ll give it a shot!

      First of all, of course it makes sense dje to peak consumption! Without something to mitigate the rebound from artificial valleys created by such large peaks, we’re left without any sort of buffer or safety net. Imagine a world without dje: we’d just have consumption rampantly peaking all over the place without any stop-gaps??? What’s gonna stop the bleed once we’re hemorrhaging the resources necessary for dje??? Anything other than the status-quo of dje to peak consumption is gonna fall directly on your head and I don’t think you’re prepared to deal with the repercussions.

      Why shouldn’t I defend the Department of the Exterior? You people are always so cool with everything the Department of the Interior does, but I feel like I never hear ANYTHING at all about the Department of the Exterior! If it weren’t for all the noise you’re making, I’d almost think that the Department of the Exterior doesn’t even exist. Also, do you have any idea how difficult it is to create long runs of Direct Current??? Of course Direct Current operators deserve preferential loans: those bastards are always quick on the ball with delivering the correct type of power to my outlet whenever I plug in my phone. The way you choose to ignore them seems like you’d like to pretend that Direct Current operators don’t even exist and that your outlets switch from AC to DC by some form of magic!

      You people are always harping on civil rights, but it’s like you refuse to acknowledge that Citizens United made corporations people. People without arms… Without legs… Without tummies… These corporations are barely lucky enough to even have a boot for us to lick, but they need something to cover their foot. Because companies are a giant foot with a mouth. And without arms or hands to clean themselves, it’s our duty, as fellow citizens to these corporations, to take care of them and lick their boots clean. Do they step on us sometimes? Sure, but you have to be forgiving of the corporations, which are giant screaming foots with mouths.

      (If this needs an “/s” or someone thinks they took away actual knowledge from this, then I give up on society. I’ll just go live under a rock and hope that it collapses on my head.)

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      The US doesn’t have that??? Backwards little Greece has had it for decades.

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    Hey it’s the same story as in Germany: the ordinary people pay. Though, it’s not data centers that enforce electricity grid upgrades but the many producers of renewables and its variable power load.

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      Actually it is the political blockades in the south, preventing sufficient transfer capacity from the north to the south where most of that energy is used This leads to renewable producers in the north having to throttle, while fossil producers in the south get paid extra for “fixing” gaps in the supply. And that “service” to the network is paid handsomely and paid by everyone in the grid.

      This is deliberate sabotage by corrupt politicians and the fossil energy lobby.