cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/55064430
Take the test ➡️ then join the socialist movement. A socialist future is the only way we can secure these rights for all. PSLweb.org/join.
By: @pslnational
Deadass how I got sold on socialism. Jobs should be guaranteed. It is absurdly wasteful for work to be gatekept by elitists who get pickier and pickier on who is allowed to work.
How the fuck are things supposed to get done if contributing to society is a privilege for the elite and their cronies and not everyone? If there is truly so little actual work that needs to be done, let the elders retire and those with disabilities to be free from the burden of work.
There’s a recent book that touches on this, Karl Marx in America
There’s a dialectic between using anticommunism to suppress reforms and people becoming communists as a result. If you constantly tell people they can’t have healthcare, housing, food, etc because “that’s socialism” then they’ll conclude “I guess I’m a socialist.”
Literally the interrogation with Mamdani’s dad.
Corporations should not have the right […]
Corporations shouldn’t exist
Minimum wage
Not transcending the wage system then?
You might be a social Democrat. Just kidding. I know this makes sense for agitation to get some left leaning libs to join. It’s just, I’m reading “Critique of the Gotha program” in my book club this week and while it’s fine as propaganda, if this was posted as a general socialist program, Marx would absolutely have torn it to shreds, no doubt about it.
My thoughts exactly. All thought when I read about what might make one a socialist was that these are basically the positions of left liberal/greens in Europe. Up until recently, before joining NATO, the centre-right parties in Sweden would have agreed with these positions.
PSL is Foxworthy posting.
if it works, it works I suppose.Lmao I forgot about the Jeff Foxworthy bit. I almost feel like it’s evolved past the redneck thing and has become a meta bit in a sense.
Kinda wondering if we should ban PSL promotion posts. At least until they properly address the elephant in the room. Otherwise reactionaries are just going to post misogyny and SA apologia here under the PSL banner in bad faith forever.
Couldn’t agree more with this. Until they actually resolve the problem they have with SA they are an absolute liability and don’t belong in any good faith left spaces.
Before the PSL split from WW way back in the last century I heard the same criticisms of them that I hear about PSL now. To the extent that they’ve done anything good for the movement, they’re past that point. There’s a lot of churn, not much growth - their size and the inertia that comes with it benefit them here but I find myself wondering if my anarchist comrades at the WTO protests weren’t right about WW/PSL.
What have they delivered besides self-promotion, burned out comrades, and credible SA allegations? I keep reminding myself that the future we’re fighting for is not coming from the orgs that exist now. There is a lot of potential put there getting squandered. That is in part the condition of organizing in the burgerreich but after doing this for so long I have to wonder if there’s not a better way. If there is it’s not coming from the old guard.
What have they delivered besides self-promotion, burned out comrades, and credible SA allegations?
terrible defensive responses to being called out on poor handling of credible SA allegations.
I’m for that. NGL the lack of crit, self crit, or basic reflection on said elephant has been dissapointing. As Marxists we have to actually struggle through conflict.
I’d loop folks in on the elephant but i don’t know how to use spoiler tags from this Lemmy client.
I’m back and forth on it. I don’t know if I’m being nuts but it’s been a lot of posting by one user here lately. It sucks to see, but I couldn’t block them just for my own sanity because I’d feel like an ass if I just let these things pop up unchallenged. However, the PSL is still the largest socialist party in the US that is Marxist on paper (but in reality does not implement the internal mechanisms needed for a party; from experience). I don’t know 🫠 my local branch leadership just called me a wrecker, but I wish they would just evolve! It doesn’t have to be like this but they just refuse to change at all.
I don’t know what to ask or what to demand. I just wish they’d change and stop being like this but they aren’t.
I’m for it.
What’s the elephant (sorry I’m out of the loop)
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Honestly I don’t see why any org outside of the local Maine division would have to issue a statement on this. Obviously the party as a whole would condemn this but we’re too decentralized for me to have any affect on this besides believing the victims from over 1000 miles away.
I don’t see why this story would constitute a ban for PSL material in general, is that not kind of harsh on the rest of us who have no means to kick these people out, or hold them accountable? If I’m out of line I apologize, sincerely, I just don’t think this reflects the party as a whole.
Even if this incident was a one-off (it isn’t, multiple people have had comparable experiences where a highly placed member of PSL has assaulted them and then been protected) it is absolutely serious enough that the national leadership should be involved, trebly so when local leadership decides to protect the abuser. And sure, it sucks that rank and file members lack the ability to censure the people who are the problem but there comes a point where you are choosing to associate with an organisation that protects abusers. It sucks that the structure of PSL is such that people’s only recourse seems to be leaving, but that’s the case with a lot of organisations. If you choose to stay in the SA fan club I probably don’t trust you very much.
I mean how do you not get that by saying nothing in this situation, the central committee is effectively saying “it is appropriate in this organisation for abusers to be protected from the repercussions of their actions even when they assault one of our members, and also to remain in a position of power that leaves other people vulnerable to this known abuser”. The fact that the abuser was allowed to quietly resign “for health reasons” six years after the fact is just the icing on the cake - the PSL actively enables SA and protects perpetrators. They cannot even be allowed to suffer reputational damage for their vile behaviour, let alone be removed from power immediately, as they should be. The PSL has routinely responded to these events by vilifying the survivors, claiming they’re wreckers etc, that they are trying to destroy the party. It seemingly never occurs to them that it is the assaults that are damaging to the party’s reputation, that they should be levelling those accusations at the people actually responsible and not to the people they victimised.
I mean, most members of the US military, the IDF, hell, the nazi party, don’t have the ability to change the positions and policies of the organisation, but I will still judge the shit out of you if you join, and especially if you stay longer than you initially signed up for.
It’s more than just Maine? Atlanta, New York, and LA are mentioned. And the central committee is a problem itself
Seriously, the idea that the national leadership shouldn’t get involved when one of their offices is sheltering and protecting a known abuser is bizarre. Of course they should? They’re in a position of authority over people who are doing something horrifically awful? Part of that authority is a responsibility to exercise it in situations like this. If they stay out of it they are de facto participating in it.
Honestly you all are right. I haven’t ever attended a meeting only shared their physical media but I’ll be keeping this in mind. I will also admit I don’t really have any idea of who the central committee of the party is at all, or how they function, I just really liked their information. I do still have some reprints I’m going to use as far as good reading materials to hand out some places. I didn’t even really know they had national leadership.
I guess it’s just as fair to say the higher ranks should be dealing with this directly and correcting course as it is for me to say I had no idea about this being a larger problem going beyond just in Maine, or even really any specifics of the people in the party structure.
All of that is true, but no instagram user I know will read more than like one line of text on an image. If they wanted to read something, they wouldn’t be using a photo-sharing social media site. If you want to reach out to that audience you need a striking image with a very short tagline.
Also this isn’t helping with the “leftist memes/agitprop is 10000000 lines of text” stereotype
Yes. Kinda preaching to the choir here tbh.
Right winger reads this and agrees and immediately offs himself because “I’m not living in this world knowing I’m a filthy commie”
