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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/74446906
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It’s more like that they are the danger to everyone else.
Imagine if other professions were allowed to use the logic police can in court.
“Your honor, I acknowledge that I did run over that entire kindergarten class with my big rig, but if I had swerved there would have been a slightly elevated risk of me rolling over and crashing, so I had to. Truck driver safety has to come first, after all.”
“Well, since no court has ruled that this exact situation is a violation of anyone’s rights, you are legally immune!”
IIRC, automobile accidents are the number one cause of death for on duty police deaths. Oftentimes their own fault not following policy during pursuits.
Or doing the pursuits at all, for that matter.
In a society where the government is surveiling every other person and have cameras everywhere, the old “if we don’t get our perp now he’s gone forever” trope is bullshit.
As much as they make for entertaining TV and make cops feel all macho and accomplished, car chases are COMPLETELY unnecessary reckless endangerment in almost all cases.
This came up in a brilliant way in a manga I was reading.
Two combat pros are facing off in a back alley, the aggressor trying to “test” their victim. The loser protagonist, who’s useless in a fight, hears the altercation from his store job, and rushes out to help his friend. He throws a paint bomb, used by stores to identify robbers, at the assailant.
The assailant runs, and spends the rest of the issue in a panic about how to conceal the paint; since they’d very much been relying on the option of being able to sneak out through crowds.
…So Flock cams need laser projectors, and they can just mark criminals with a big red X as they drive around. Maybe a different color for whatever they’re wanted for. And then let the vigilanteism fly!
less pronouns, more well-defined references please. I had to read that last paragraph three times before I understood who you meant by “They”.
Thanks for the feedback. Been working on creative writing recently, and it helps to know when my attempts at brevity are making things unclear.
You’re welcome, “the assailant” is much more clear now :) (I mean - as clear as it could be)
You’d think it’s from dangerous assignment-based activities but it’s not. It’s from doing stupid shit in traffic stops and getting hit by innocent drivers. It’s what happens when superficial authority meets 3 tons of metal at a mile a minute.
They initiate traffic stops based on infractions that had no impact on safety at all, like rolling through a stop sign at an intersection with no other cars, and cause a far more dangerous situation with a roadside stop.
From what I understand most police agencies have a no-pursuit policy. It’s generally more hazardous to chase the person than it is to just phone ahead in the direction that the person’s driving and have a blockade setup or just show up at their house
just phone ahead in the direction that the person’s driving and have a blockade setup
Generally illegal as of 1989’s Bowyer v. Inyo and impractical regardless; you vastly overestimate how many patrol cars are in a given area.
or just show up at their house
Assuming the driver is the registered owner, their address is up to date, and they change their mind about fleeing. I guess now that Flock is getting popular that’s increasingly less of a problem, though.
that was a good read, but, I don’t think the term “generally illegal” will apply to it. The only thing that supreme court case provided that that a road block can lead to a seizure, which triggers the fourth amendment protections. That doesn’t outlaw the roadblock, or does it mean it will be a violation of the fourth amendment as generally speaking seizure under the fourth amendment has leniency that allows for probable cause and a reasonable approach. It means that road blocks need to be looked at when done and decided if it was a reasonable method of stopping them.
In the specific case listed, it was passed down to the lower court again to decide whether the roadblock was a reasonable use of force or not, so it was never an argument about whether the roadblock was allowed to be done, but whether or not how they implemented the roadblock was reasonable due to the fact it was constructed around a corner and contained lights that were positioned in a way that would blind drivers coming in.
You have a different interpretation of that than the lawyer that taught me about that case, so I think it’s safe to say you’re wrong.
But congratulations on getting into the weeds about 1/3 of my comment while ignoring the other 2/3.
I don’t know why you are coming in as hot as you are. You mentioned a case that I decided to spend two hours last night looking into because it made me curious as I have seen roadblocks constantly. I felt I needed to respond that your supporting evidence didn’t support your claim. For the reasons already provided. If you care to look it up yourself (I recommend looking at the actual supreme court hearing first) instead of relying on the “my girlfriend is in another state” reasoning, feel free. It’s clear by your aggression you aren’t open for discussion on this and as such I’m moving on.
P.S I didn’t refute your claim on the flock cameras because I partially agree with you. But good job owning me I guess? I hope your day ends up getting better.
Because it’s annoying to see a topic you know about circlejerked by a bunch of people speculating in ignorance while patting each other on the back despite being wrong.
The great tragedy of the internet is that every person thinks their opinion has equal weight to experts because they have an equal voice. You’re doing the same “do your own research” thing as anti-vax/mask/science people, just in a different flavor.
If a (large collection of) doctor(s) tell me a vaccine is safe but Pika@sh.itjust.works insists it’s not and insists I should review the clinical data myself to find out why, I’m just going to roll my eyes.
Most agencies these days have incredibly restrictive pursuit policies for this reason.
In other words, your message is apt for 2000 or so, but not 2026.
‘Not following policy’ means they don’t wear their seatbelts. Cops are so fucking stupid.
Yeah safety last, no PPE for me toxic masculinity.
I remember huge pushback from officers when ballistic vests were first introduced. I was in a police science class and instructors had so many reasons; too hot, too heavy so can’t chase down perps, will impede quickly exiting vehicle (same with seat belts), will give officers false sense of security and are more dangerous. Saw the same in media countrywide.
IIRC, automobile accidents are the number one cause of death for on duty police deaths.
It was neck-and-neck with gun deaths, one outpacing the other and then swapping places, until CoViD.
Oftentimes their own fault not following policy during pursuits.
What makes you say that?
Reading news articles and following links to research cited
It’s a shame you can’t bring yourself to share them with the class.
What percent of gun deaths involved painting the ceiling? Real shame is how many police stigmatize getting help with mental health.
Holy Red Herring, Batman!
No, you brought up gun deaths
I can’t tell if you’re confused or intentionally arguing in bad faith, but I don’t think I can fix either.
Best of luck to you.
Yeah being a cop is dangerous but not like being a pizza delivery guy dangerous
In large part because pizza deliverers aren’t allowed to carry a gun and trained to fight off attackers.
If a policeman ever tells you to get out of your car during a traffic stop, you have to comply based on a ruling from Pennsylvania vs Mimms that they can remove you from your car if they have reason to believe you’re dangerous and want to be able to see you at all times for officer safety.
So whenever you get asked to step out of the car, make sure you say, “I know you’re scared.” They love that!.
Haha, “don’t be scared little man.”
I’ve had at least three jobs that are always listed as more dangerous than a cop, but I’ve never gone around demanding respect because “I risk my life with every shift.”
How risky is a cop’s job, really? They have the full force of the entire government on their side, and an arsenal on their waist, and an even bigger arsenal in their vehicle. With a quick click on the radio, and they have a nearly unlimited army who will come to their aid, all armed to the teeth as well, and willing to back any cockamamie story he tells.
How risky is a cop’s job, really? They have the full force of the entire government on their side, and an arsenal on their waist, and an even bigger arsenal in their vehicle. With a quick click on the radio, and they have a nearly unlimited army who will come to their aid, all armed to the teeth as well, and willing to back any cockamamie story he tells.
You kinda answer your own question; those are the exact reasons why it’s not that dangerous these days.
That aside, nobody backing you up can teleporter, so cops act like they’re on their own until backup arrives - because they are.
Delivery workers should be in there too.
Maybe loggers just need a service pistol.
Or military grade axes 🤷🏻
Sadly, falling trees are neither deterred by nor stopped with a gun, as opposed to people who attack cops.
Pilots
Seriously?
This combines fixed wing and helicopters, Look up the stats on remote bush pilots and helicopter pilots it makes a lot more sense
Fail to land correctly a commercial plane. Either:
- 200 to 400 people die, including you (passenger plane)
- You and your crew die, and almost all of the cargo is wasted (cargo plane)
- You and your crew still die, but also a public figure and their agents/family/friends/cronies (private jet).
Fortunately landing a plane is only done by the most trained experts.
Flying the plane is statistically safest way of travel. Dying as a pilot is far less likely than dying in car accident. Even if you count all the passangers, flying is still safer than driving a car.
I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers.
Uhh, isn’t the presidency marked by the highest mortality rate amongst professions in the US?
Can’t really compare a position that only 45 people have had over a 250 year period with regular jobs, though.
Besides, the last time a president died in office, my boomer dad was 12 years old. The last time a logfighter died on the job was probably some time this month if not this week.
I think it might be a typo, but I’m absolutely referring to lumberjacks as “log fighters” from now on.
Nah, I did that shit on purpose, inspired by this comment on gender neutral job titles on the original post from !flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 😁
I genuinely have no idea why someone would downvote source information like this.
Some people are just joyless husks, I guess 🤷🏻
Could be bots or misclicks. I accidentally downvoted a comment just a few hours ago. It felt surprisingly bad even though I quickly fixed it.
2 misclicks? That seems unlikely. And the accounts aren’t bots, I checked that. One commented in this comment section and seems human, with a year+ old account. The other is active elsewhere. I dunno. It’s probably not worth considering the deficiencies of silly people.
People at gas stations are at more danger then police.
The station master/signalmen/signallers 💀
What the hell are “garage men”? 😆
The people who go around in big trucks to collect the garbage. Also known as garbage collectors, bin men, sanitation workers, etc.
No, them’s ‘garbage men’. I assume garage men are just mechanics.
Garage men are similar, but they collect people’s unused garages each week. The trucks are VERY large.
MC Grindah is a prime example of a garage man
Saturation divers is pretty high too.
Have you tried “US Presidents”? With a 10% chance of getting assassinated on the job?
Those are amateur numbers. Trump will raise them
I think Trump might win the award for the most assassinated US President.
They were all staged attempts, though.
The country that gave us the NRA can’t shoot straight? Surely not.
