Individual rights and freedoms, the things that supposedly separate the “democratic” west from its “authoritarian” adversaries, are being shredded on behalf of Zionism.
Cenk kicks ass motherfuckers
According to new reports the UK is suppressing the speech, freedom of movement and culture practices of Uygurs.
lol
Every accusation is a confession.
Mfs will literally see him and other “soft left” people get tossed into an ICE facility and still Tut Tut here about how he’s a lib
I don’t think you’re completely wrong,but come on,I think there’s a more pressing issue here than getting a nice dunk on on your favorite streamer to hate because he’s not radical enough
I really don’t get the schadenfreude,you do know you’re next on the chopping block,right? First they silence the voices with more reach and then no one can speak out when they come for the average person in full force
Because he is a lib. He has his reach and his capacity for organization, and he still kowtows to progressive electoralism. Just because the state understands his potential political capacity better than he does doesn’t mean I have to respect him. I’m not thrilled he’s being persecuted,
Just because a state is better at being a reactionary force doesn’t mean that someone is a revolutionary force. Just because they prosecute Islamic teenagers doesn’t mean that Sharia law is around the corner.
The thing that I find wild is all the so called “leftists” who simply vote for Democratic progressives or their equivalent will not take the hint and maybe, just once, listen to a fucking communist. Like, on the spectrum of ideology Hasan’s presentation would hardly qualify as anything more then Social Democratic, and this is how the state meets his energy. They’ll make a spectacle out of him, and then hope a groyper does the dirty work for them. Your outward communist member of the community? They’ll get black bagged. Plenty of that was going around during the BLM era. I’m sure its going to make a comeback.
Like, I get what you’re saying, but I don’t know that the people who call him a liberal in that way want him dead. Some of those people though are ultras or crypto-fascists. But we both know we need to move beyond his politics. That’s at least what I see here in these spaces. If all Hasan ever did was talk shit online the feds wouldn’t care. The difference between him and these ultras is he shows himself touching grass. That’s the danger he presents. If even 1% of his viewers are inspired to also touch grass instead of debating online, then that’s a breach of containment.
But liberals will see this happening and not want to hear from those to Hasan’s left. The question I have is, how does this shape his perspective going forward? He said on stream that “liberal democracy is dead”, but I’ve heard him say that before. So who knows. I have a feeling things are not going to change all that much. He’ll keep doing this progressive Dem push and then be disappointed when nothing ultimately gets better.
Then what?
I think you’ve kinda got it right in so much as that there is not free speech that can actually explicitly threaten the existing power structure. Anyone who knows their history here knows that as the truth. The “then what” is likely that Hasan goes no further because the alternative is him getting got.
I’m definitely in team pro Hasan. Socialists need these kind of faces to promote the ideology, even if he isn’t strictly an ML.
There’s a tremendous difference between criticizing Hasan for saying silly and backwards things and in any manner supporting his persecution by neoliberal states.
cheering the IDF when they bulldoze the house of someone who tweeted some dumb lib shit
being rejected from the uk by an office whose job is to reject people is way different from being tossed in a concentration camp lmao. obviously i don’t like the uk and i think they’re one of the worst countries in the world when it comes to banning people from entering their country. but come on. hasan piker isn’t going to suffer because of this. maybe the palestinians will. he was not “tossed into an ICE facility”, he was forced to go to bed in his own mansion. it’s not just that he’s not “radical enough”, it’s that he is actively attempting to channel working-class energies into unproductive ends. he’s another karl kautsky and he should absolutely be called on his shit.
I’m sorry how is this not explicit critical support for resentful British zionists because YOU happen to believe Hasan is Kautsy or whatever the fuck, which is apparently way more important than the fact one of the loudest pro-Palestinian voices in the world has been deplatformed
Also “actively attempting to channel working-class energies into unproductive ends” that’s an ironic laugh, sell any newspapers lately? Got the lease for the patch of woods in Bumfuck, USA where the commune will be founded?
i made a point to explicitly say it’s not a good thing that hasan piker got banned from the uk. also it’s ironic you’re accusing me of being a deviationist when you are actively supporting a radlib influencer.
I think you made a half ass attempt to cover your ass while clearly signaling you do support it as some vague form of nesascry evil
I mean the motherfucker is supposed to be Kautsy RIGHT??? So why don’t you post the :let them fight: emoji or say with your chest; critical support for British zionists in their struggle against radlib deviationists who lead the working class astray…
Do you actually believe this shit or are you just operating off pure parasocial resentment?
the point of my comment was that we should continue to call hasan on his shit. i actually don’t think it’s good that zionists can control who enters the uk. which is why i said it hurts palestinians. hasan piker is in no way, shape, or form the start of first they came for. actually i don’t understand how you could possibly come up with the idea that i think the zionazis are struggling against hasan when i said that this doesn’t hurt him in the slightest. are you just here to make vague accusations that double as vague confessions? i mean, i’m the parasocial one?
He was going to the UK to collaborate with Corybn and speak at the Oxford Union, advancing in the heart of a major zionist powerbase real anti-zionism
The fact you cannot clock that deplatforming Hasan in itself hurts the Palestinian cause, as if that deplatforming doesn’t send a powerful signal to other more vulnerable pro-Palestinian voices
No, instead what matters is your oppression Olympics ass perception of Niemöller’s poem and your hyper obsession with fellow travelers who dare engage in electoralism in a country that kills socialists when they step outside the legalist boundaries. And you think I’m gonna trust your ability to “call shit” on anything?
The bane of radlib electoralism is more important in your mind than the realized threat of zionist fascism, that’s the Gordian knot you’ve twisted yourself into
And you know what I give that? A resounding FUCK OFF and not because I particularly care what you think about Hasan, but because youre trivalizing a real threat and as far as I’m concerned that shit is anti-solidarity
I don’t think it needs to be such a hostile discussion. I think it tends to get this hostile when people overestimate the importance of individual voices. No-one is going to change policy over our discussions. If it convinces people to act or not act in some circumstances it will do so in a much wider environment of discussions not on its own. Some people think Hasan is misleading people into an electoral political road that will just win them fell for it again awards. Some people think Hasan is bringing attention to Palestinian issues and anti-Imperialist narratives that people already on that path need to hear and won’t hear easily without him. Both those views have justifiable arguments for and against. It doesn’t have to be this hostile, we’re all just people having a chat, nothing we say will make or break anything. Some minds might be changed, but even that will be in unpredictable ways because we don’t control most of the factors that will effect how they receive our words, only our words.
again, i specifically said this hurts the palestinian people. i don’t understand why you keep trying to call me out on things that i not only never said, but in fact said the opposite. maybe i wasn’t clear enough in my original comment. i guess that’s on me. the intent of the original comment was to strongly disagree with the notion that we shouldn’t criticize hasan, that such criticism is trivial or meaningless, or that such criticism represents “schadenfreude”. all three of those things are wrong but i guess a lot of this stems from how i zeroed in on the schadenfreude thing and never actually mentioned the word in my response.
I wasn’t saying that he was
My point is that this is the prelude
I’m sorry,do you honestly think this is a good thing? That the principled UK government restricted the freedom of travel for the reformist and took a bold stance against revisionism? Or do you think that this creates a permission structure for more dire measures in the future? My argument isn’t that he’s getting tossed in an ICE camp now, it’s that he may well be in the future!
Sorry,but this is ridiculous,do you honestly think he’s safe just because he’s palatable now and has money? That he’s a plant and that this is kayfabe? Let’s just forget the Niemoller poem,I guess. Unlike the person above that made some reasonable points,I think this is exactly what I’m talking about. Dunk politics central
no, i don’t think this is a good thing. actually, i made a point of specifically saying it’s not a good thing. but it’s also not particularly new. the uk has always been quick to ban people from their country. both individuals and races. it has nothing to do with them coming for hasan piker. they’re coming for palestinians. and refusing to call him on his democrat entryist nazi bullshit or his misogynistic bullshit does nothing to help anyone. especially when it’s his job to make people believe what he believes.
“Become” Israel. Motherfucker this country was built on the exact same brand of genocide. God he’s so lame sometimes.
He’s talking to the libs, not us
Libs need to hear that the most though. It’s pretty simple.
Pointing out the abuse of rights carried out by liberal Zionists is little bit more important at the moment than teaching non-responsive liberals about American history
Actual persuasive strategies are never “simple”
if you’re taking a little more time on it, like he does with 8+ hour lives streams you can fit in how manifest destiny inspired lebensraum inspired greater israel
and he does do that sometimes, it just doesn’t fit in every tweet
spider-man pointing at spider-man
I will not cease from Mental Fight,
Nor shall my Sword sleep in my hand:
Till we have built Jerusalem,
In Englands green & pleasant Land.turns out the UK meant that literally
Labour have been more aggressive in restricting visas for ‘certain people’ than even the openly racist Tories were. The banning of voices critical of Israel has been happening for while, but also I’ve had four different gigs (of non political bands) I was going to cancelled this year because the UK revoked their tour and travel visas. The only thing all four artists had in common was that they were black and/or Muslim.
It’s hilarious British chuds pretend that Labour is the second coming of Stalin and repressing them. All they’ve done is placate the fascists.
They do throw the most obnoxious and violent far right characters under the bus from time to time but if anything this just gives the ones left over a greater air of “respectability”.
Even those days are over now, but you’re right. The starmer project is designed to usher in explicit fascism.
Labour at least since Blair has always been the patron of the MIC and security state. Jack Straw was notorious and it only gets worse. Corbyn created so much panic and reaction not simply because of fear of “the left” in general but fear the security state might lose control of their primary political vehicle.
Two sides of the same coin.
Cenk and Hasan are such weaksauce targets to go after on this lmao come on. Another own goal for Keith “Kid Starver” Sturmer.
The UK is so hilariously like everything Orwell tried to bitch about that it’s funnier and funnier that he was a shitty little snitch on those further left. I hope there is an afterlife just because that means he’s looking on all of this and gets to feel his own spiritual hell
1984 was literally based on his time working as a British propagandist (that’s why Smith is in the “Ministry of Truth”), so it makes sense.
Edit: I know you probably know this, just mentioning it for the benefit of others
Just have nothing but loathing for the guy, really the worst kind of “leftist”. Imagine your literary legacy as a “leftist” being used as his has.
But anyways for those who haven’t seen it yet heres the review of 1984 by Issac Asimov: http://www.newworker.org/ncptrory/1984.htm
When you realise that Winston is just him I find its easier to just kinda pity him for being so spineless. Like damn bro, apparently public schools are spine removal factories.
Dunno what explains Herr Stermer tho, he went to a normal school right? How’d he lose his spine?
I think you have to have one first to lose it.
The Redsails link collection on 1984 and its surrounding discourse is a good read. That’s where I found that Asimov one in the first place.
winston smith was a self-insert he absolutely would not be surprised at all by this
I’m not a big Hasan person as I don’t really do social media and stuff but I’ve seen him before and I always thought “This guy has the money. If he had any sense of self preservation he’d move to China.”
If he doesn’t gtfo of the west soon I fear he is in actual physical danger. And the rest of you nerds reading this probably are too. Get your opsec fixed because you know its shit, and do it yesterday.
anyways vote platner
I don’t care if he pushes Platner or the DNC, the establishment clearly fears and has hatred for him. That’s good enough for me to consider him a net benefit. Fuck the UK
unc & phew
But they already did vote labor no matter member, how could this be?
So what happens if they simply stream the speeches they were going to give and someone in the UK broadcasts it at Oxford? Do they get arrested?
They technically can’t arrest someone who is not in the UK, but they might make the stream unavailable in UK, or at the very least block any broadcast.
