The precedent is sent. Abducting, killing, striking heads of state is now on the table. Make of that what you will, world.
Israel already killed Yemen’s president
Please Xi… please
China has all but said that they’re going to let the US treat South America as its backyard. I don’t expect any help or solidarity from them.
The only hope was Russia coming through for Venezuela but I wasn’t convinced that this was anything more than bluster or geopolitical jockeying.
Who knows if there was actually any moves to advance this and, even if it did have enough time to get implemented, what use would it have been if the Venezuelan military had (apparently) been bought off or ordered to stand down by a seditious general or two? I mean, it’s not like it would have been the first time for the Venezuelan military to betray the government and the people.
It’s still early to tell. Today’s attack seems pretty restrained, but we’ll have to wait to see what it is the prelude to.
As much as Russia would love to waste the US’s time and energy in Vzla so there are fewer resources and interest for Ukraine, I don’t think they can spare the materiel, troops, or political capital. Not to mention that, knowing the current US leadership, finding Russian support for the resistance in Venezuela could mean that the US lashed out unpredictably and stared bombing Russian positions in Ukraine or something similar in retaliation.
Restrained? They bombed all the airports and kidnapped the president lol
By US standards that unironically is restraint
Compared to what the US did in Lybia, Iraq or Afghanistan, and what they have the troops and carriers parked in the Caribbean for? Looks restrained to me.
It is a ludicrous violation of every international law and statute, I’m not saying it is not a disgraceful thing, an act of wanton violence. But I was considering they could’ve just taken a page out of Israel’s book and level Caracas.
I’m also convinced this isn’t all there is. This is just the beginning.
Just watched the press conference apparently the US is going to “run” Venezuela until such time that there can be a peaceful transition
It’s iraq all over again
Just remember that although these people may look and behave like devils, they are bags of meat no more durable than any other human.
putin, just fucking do it, capture zelensky
He has tried to capture/assasinate him for a while lol
I mean why wouldn’t you, would make the war easier to take out the other side’s leadership. Russia would’ve been stupid not to try
It’s a huge escalation, people don’t just assassinate heads of state like that, because the people giving the order would be heads of state who don’t want assassinating heads of state to be normalized.
But I guess it is now.
Ukraine would’ve lost a lot of fighting spirit of Russia had managed to take him out. Especially if they managed to capture him.
Wars aren’t won on ‘fighting spirit’.
They actually told Zelensky they weren’t going to target him. Early in the SMO he was afraid to leave his bunker. There’s no point targeting him because he’s not a real leader. The US is pulling all the strings. It’s why Russia doesn’t negotiate with Zelensky and negotiates with the US.
They also told they weren’t going to attack…
That’s nonsense. Zelensky is a moderate in his own country. He’d likely be replaced by a fascist.
The same goes for Putin. If he were killed, he’d be replaced by a nationalist who would probably drop a nuke in Ukraine.
Both are moderates in their own nations, and neither side desires a more unhinged leader across the table.
How would the war have gone worse for Russia after they took out Zelensky, what is the scenario the Russians are afraid of?
Always was, just countries with opportunities won’t ever take them
theres a very funny possible branch of the future where venezuela kidnaps trump too
What a grim and depressing thing to wake up to.
Been glued to the live news all morning, can’t unsee the bombed city. The billowing smoke gives me shades of Chile in 1973:
One thing I’ve been thinking about is if the rest of the MIC is using Trump to do unpopular stuff on their behalf, and then when he keels over, Dems, European leaders, and others can turn around and declare “a time for healing” or whatever other bullshit they put out while holding onto the imperial gains. This would basically be the same as what happened with Bush Jr. I fucking hate it.
Absolutely, it almost feels like a now or never effort before a democrat inevitably gets in. More than just Bush Jr though, I feel like that’s been the cycle for decades upon decades in most western countries since the 1940’s. The right get in, make a shit load of changes unimpeded, and then democrat equivalents regain a few meaningless scraps. Then the right get in again.
Ratchet effect working as intended.
There is a theory out there that Cuba is the ultimate target here (cutting off Cuba from Venezuela economically). I’m not sure I believe that if we’re talking overall strategy but I can see that as Rubio’s personal mission, though.
It is. Rubio wants to make Cuba an American colony.
Yeah, same
Infinite death to AmeriKKKas forever
Not long until the Venezuelan taliban emerge from the caves and stab the occupiers in the throat. At least that’s what I hope for. An insurgency. I don’t care who funds it. I’m a full-blown sociopath at this point and Trump must pay. I hope his supporters protest. If I was in the US right now I’d be visiting all the Trump supporters in their 20s and 30s and I’d tell them to act now. Protest at the White House and call for Trump to be removed.
I hope his supporters protest. If I was in the US right now I’d be visiting all the Trump supporters in their 20s and 30s and I’d tell them to act now. Protest at the White House and call for Trump to be removed.
Yeah, I’m sure this is the last straw for them, they’ll definitely turn on him, Drumpf is finished!
In any case, this will make it much easier for china and russia to justify their plans. This isn’t a victory for trump and especially not for America.
The US just bombed a country and (supposedly) kidnapped its leader and wife.
You: What about China and Russia tho?
Based on the username, it’s a new zealander. They’re settler colonists, so of course they’re being a
libI think they meant it in a positive way
It’s possible that I misinterpreted, but talking about Russia and China having ”plans” is something that has a certain feel to me. Especially if your last comment contained the absurd assertion that Trump supporters could start protesting at the White House over an attack on Venezuela.
This is part of a big power competition and that’s the only way to see it. But there will be idiots who think that Trump is great. He’s going to stop the drugs and election fraud by invading venezuela. Wait a few days and see what ridiculous opinions emerge. Americans won’t benefit from this and will lose on the long run. Rules based order my ass.
Rules based order my ass.
When the US talks of a rules based order they mean “we make the rules and you take the orders.”
Forget Trump’s supporters, this is what the average lib thinks about it.
The EU is so fucking satanic. I hope nothing but the worst for them. That their quality of life goes even further to shit, that the albatross around their neck of Hungary becomes heavier. They deserve nothing but contempt and suffering.
Burgers only protest when they see bodybags, and even then, when they themselves can plausibly be in bodybags
Dark times. I hope the fumble this one just like they did some two decades ago with Chavez but I don’t have high hopes.
With Chavez he always remained in the country. I think in this case, if it’s true he’s been successfully captured and flown out by the US, it might be over for Maduro. The rest of the government remains.
What happens now is the real question. These people think Machado will peacefully ascend to power and open the floodgates to looting, but the military is Maduro loyal and the people are organized into armed militias.
If the shoe was on the other foot we would issue an ultimatum of 24 hours for the presidents safe return.
I just don’t see how this ends well. Maybe the military sees the writing on the wall and rolls over?
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I think they just got steamrolled
Was treason necessary for his position to be known to the US ahead of time?
Given that the US had intel on Maduro’s location, the necessary steps to capture and extract him were to deny the local air defences, neutralize his personal guard (did he even have one at the time of capture?), and extract. I don’t know how the extraction happened, but it’s not the first time US spec ops carry out an extraction from deep in enemy territory. No reason to think this was impossible without inside collaboration.
Fair point I’ll delete my comment since it’s pure speculation based on frustration
And he has not really primed a successor. In all this time he needed to make a contingency, and now it is all up in smoke. The US gets to feel tough, and the whole world sees that resistance is nonexistent/futile.
The vice president appears to have taken control and the rest of the government is intact.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
When is the world gonna sanction the US as hard as they’ve done Russia?
Petition to refer to this and all upcoming US wars of imperialism as “special military operations” when talking to libs, just so it will get under their skin by highlighting their opportunistic, selective antiwar and anti-“dictatorship” political posturing.
I’ve seen American chuds argue in the past that the US has never lost a war (this was a long time ago, before Afghanistan and Iraq) because Vietnam wasn’t a war, it was a ”military operation”.
Same here. They still do it, and the even claim that it was a “withdrawal” from Vietnam after achieving their goals (??) and not a defeat as well.
They do something similar for Afghanistan too.
When someone is that deep in the trashcan of ideology I don’t think there’s any reasoning with them tbh. Best to just close the lid and walk away. We can talk about what objectives were achieved in these wars, sure, but if you want me to agree with you that these wars were victories for the US then I’m afraid I’m just not capable of that level of suspension of disbelief.
This isn’t a neighboring country so it’s fine to attack for some reason.
Kinda hard to sanction the country that prints the currency the world economy uses. If dedollarization had somehow happened, it might be conceivable. Even then, the west is structured, by design, as a hierarchy of subservience to the US, economically, militarily, even ideologically.
edit: I know you were drawing a comparison to the west’s reaction to Russia’s intervention in Ukraine to highlight the hypocrisy. I’m just sayin’.
It’s getting harder by the day not to fedpost, but I really do fucking hate these YanKKKee scum.
I know the feeling of trying really hard to hold it in, because I wish nothing but bullets to the head of the criminal imperialists and their accomplices.
I want to point out that the reason that Trump kidnapped Maduro is because Trump believes that the US owns Venezuela’s oil fields.
His bribers who instilled Rex Tillerson, former EXXON CEO, in his first term is buthurt they were kicked out of
because they didn’t want to pay a fair price for the oil.This is like Mossadegh in 1953 all over again.
Only now the quiet part has been said out loud already.
Make sure to start using the phrase “Venezuela has the right to defend itself” IRL in the coming days.
People have been saying this.
Can’t stand this line being parroted about how ‘8 million refugees fled the Maduro regime’, when the reality is that they fled a country whose economy was being strangled by the USA to the point of collapse. The USA openly admits they were essentially holding the Venezuelan people hostage by destroying the economy - presenting two options: live in poverty or overthrow Maduro.
If this ends in a new right wing Venezuelan comprador government, there will be an ‘economic miracle’, and the west will report that Venezuela has been saved. The reality is that the sanctions would be taken off the economy, and a large extraction of wealth would take place within the oil sector, thus inflating GDP. In the short term, the people of Venezuela will see an increase in quality of life - a quality of life they never would have lost in the first place were it not for U.S encirclement. I’m sure a lot of Venezeulans won’t fight the change in government because it means a (perhaps temporary) reprieve from poverty, and peoples material circumstances are, as we all know, the bottom line.
Even that seems too optimistic, it’s not 2000’s when the rotting carcasses of post-socialist countries got lifted up by EU directly pumping them full of infrastructure money and schengen social dumping. Venezuela would get straight up looted and the parts not worth looting will be left to flaunt, like in Argentina.
The US is a pathetic bully and a blight on the free world
Seeing libs and chuds sealioning and act like the pedo, genocide perpetrating racist regime is the “lesser evil” in this case has been annoying. Still saying authoritarian venezuela like trump didn’t float annexing canada greenland Panama not long ago
How odd. Libs who were acting like Trump was the spawn of all evil and the sole fascist actor in all of American politics are now buddying up with reactionaries in supporting Trump and invading another sovereign country to steal their resources while pretending it’s all for the greater good? I’m shocked! Positively shocked!
Fuck these libs istg
They still trying to do the whole “president of peace” sarcasm but its always with disclaimer that maduro bad or Venezuelan neighbor and friend celebrating this. Its pretty transparent where they stand.
I made the mistake of going to Reddit and its basically all “the people are happy about this” with no substantiation whatsoever.
The
using unsubstantiated anecdotal evidence of people from a diaspora that is basically a bubble. They should have stayed in the locker they were stuffed inIt’s mostly CIA botting
“I disagree with Satan, however, I have fallen for all of Satan’s lies”
Maybe this time out of the hundreds of other times it will be different
The world has an obligation to eliminate the US.
Americans have an obligation to clean up our own mess, China and Russia won’t come and do it for us, every person affected from a murdered Palestinian child to Maduro himself is on our hands
Yes. There is not going to be some cathartic cleansing of the US by outside forces. We have to do it ourselves.
Posting this because I think it’s very relevant. I don’t read it entirely literally because the article is about Western socialists who criticize AES, the people we would call ultras or leftcoms. I think if you take the article’s principles to heart you can see a certain martyrdom and lack of rigor even among “tankies.” Hexbear has been fairly good today while left reddit seems to be having some struggles.
Sentiments like:
- World governments should destroy the US and me along with it
- World governments should legally punish the US and remove my capitalist overlords from power for me
- I would rather go die or be arrested doing adventurism this weekend than spend the rest of my life building socialism
- I am going to go huff tear gas and fight cops this weekend as self-flagellation for the crimes of the US
- I am going to hook by brain up all social media feeds and self-harm via a stream of war evangelism and horror images. This makes me brave for facing the truth and keeps me informed.
- Doom doom doom because this just proves that empire is stronger than ever and only compromised socialism can exist as any real movement will be quickly snuffed out of existence.
World governments should destroy the US and me along with it
Join PSL
Treatlerites ain’t gonna do shit, as long as the US continues to be the world’s biggest consumer. Their government will continue to r ape and pillage the global South, as long as they can continue consuming their burgers and sportsball. The only hope really is a multipolar world with China and Russia to give some breathing room for countries in the crosshairs of Amerikkka. Looks like we’re still a long ways from the multipolar world, and I fear and dread what will happen to Iran and Cuba next…
Im simply saying there won’t be an external savior, us “treatlerites” are literally the only people able to stop the monster
I agree but it also means we’re doomed. Treatlerites doing shit for anti-imperialism has much less of a chance of happening than China doing anything.
That’s dead end thinking for the majority of this website who inhabit the west. If the American proletariat will never rise up, then it means imperial communists don’t have to do anything since it’s impossible anyways
Conditions in the imperial core are gonna have to get a whole lot worse before that becomes a realistic possibility.
And conditions will get worse for everyone else until that happens. The solution is the same, revolution in the imperial core. Unless you think we should still wait for Russian and Chinese hand waving to stop worldwide Holocaust
I don’t think and didn’t say any such thing. I’m just saying things will get a whole lot worse before they get better, if they get better.
We agree on that
Yes, we are part of “the world.”
Glad to hear it
Americans have too much to lose. Im not gonna do a fedpost adventurism because i have people i need to take care of.
“Fuck you got mine”. You don’t think every revolutionary and working class hero in history had something to lose? Organise or lose everything.
Yep! Everyone has a legitimate reason to not die trying to change the system. Still has to happen or we all die under the boot
Until the best chance of survival for citizens of the US changes from “keeping your head down” to “fighting back” nothing will change. And by that point, it’d all be lost.
Is this just to make yourself feel better about not changing anything? Because the best chance for survival will ALWAYS be on the side of empire. So it sounds like you’re just resigned to a life under the boot because you can’t disturb your comfort
Colombia President Gustavo Petro new tweet translated
https://xcancel.com/petrogustavo/status/2007386206292545629#m
A small correction. In paragraph 3 it’s not “how members”, it’s “as members”
So only talk of refugees. Fuck, not even going to posture that they oppose the US. It will be Petro tomorrow. The pink tide is dead
Tf man, wildest twist. Has me even angrier, all that damage and (presumably) loss of life to kidnap a world leader. Americans are going to use the fact they were so ‘precise’ and ‘just went after the president’ to justify forgetting about it all and leaving Venezuela to rot.
The western world thought that the pager bombings in Lebanon were precise, too, next time anyone says that I’ll punch them in the fucking face and say that I was ‘precisely’ aiming for an eyelash
Westerners are not against terrorist attacks, they are against terrorist attacks that happen to them
And only if they can be instrumentalized to brutalize a person of color somewhere. I don’t see them doing shit about far right white male terrorism.
Then let a million 9/11s bloom
False flags? Real terrorism against the US is rare
Hopefully it becomes less rare as time goes on.
i cant believe the president who traffics underage girls would kidnap a grown ass man
