• LibsEatPoop [any]
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    9710 months ago

    Thread with cope if you want to browse.

    ITS JUST AN ANCIENT SLAVIC PAGAN RUNE BRO. ITS AN ANCIENT SLAVIC PAGAN RUUUUUUUUUUNE.

    You’ll have to scroll and open some replies to see the cope, as by now some normies have updooted the sane “fuck the nazis” type comments. But they’re there. Lotsa them. Along with a lotta “fuck Russia” comments.

      • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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        5010 months ago

        I don’t understand liberal logic. When the Soviets invaded Poland alongside the Nazis, it was done out of desperation because the west rejected the Soviets’ requests of alliance prior to the war. Sure, one can denounce the entire USSR because they worked with the Nazis.

        But those same people who denounce it will move heaven and earth to excuse countries, armies, militias, volunteers, etc. who fought alongside Nazis, or are Nazis themselves - original or neo - out of ideological agreement.

        Grinding your teeth and pragmatically working with people who want to commit genocide against you = forever evil, no nuance

        Happily sieg heiling, committing and supporting perpetrators of massacres that even Nazis tug their collars to, and having so many Nazi symbols in your movement that your own supporters have to remove footage of and apologize for: based, psychological warfare, simply nationalism

          • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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            3010 months ago

            Take an ideal, like “democracy” for example.

            Bastardize it into pure simulacrum. (i.e., Ukraine getting couped and banning most political parties etc. is democracy)

            for example: rules based international order means doing whatever America wants

    • panopticon [comrade/them]
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      5110 months ago

      Oh yeah they’re rolling out all the classics, especially “Russia has more Nazis tho” and “Nazis don’t justify invading”

      Also this unfortunate soul saying, as “an ethnic Jew living in Kyiv, [Holodomor]”

      • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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        4510 months ago

        Respond with Wagner can’t be Nazi because Prigozhin was Jewish, just like how Azov can’t be Nazi because Zelensky is Jewish

        • panopticon [comrade/them]
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          3610 months ago

          Wait really? agony-shivering

          That thread is a cognitohazard though, I don’t really have the patience or time right now to fight it out with the banderite-apologist posters and mods there so maybe someone with higher posting power can take it to them

          • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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            2410 months ago

            Prigozhin

            depends how you count it his dad was by some accounts ethnically Jewish but as I understand it some Jewish groups only count having a Jewish mother

        • ikiru
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          1510 months ago

          Wait, was he really or are you just trolling?

          That would be so hilarious if Prigo was Jewish.

      • WittyProfileName2 [she/her]
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        They were choosing what looked like the lesser evil at the time.

        hitler-detector

        The abstract fate of a few thousand Poles and Jews was not a significant factor compared to the number of Bolsheviks’ victims they knew personally.

        jesus-christ

        I wrote this as an ethnic Jew born in Kyiv.

        It goes without saying that were this person around in the 1930’s they’d’ve been a kapo then as well.

      • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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        I know an ethnic jew born in Kiev. She survived the holocaust, and from her telling lived a pretty good life and raised a family in the USSR. As the Soviet Union was collapsing and antisemitism was increasing she moved with her family to Chicago. She traveled back to Russia several times, but never returned to Ukraine, which I think about a lot. Who wants to survive the holocaust and then still have to live alongside these nationalist shitheads, just waiting for it to happen again.

      • FrogFractions [he/him, comrade/them]
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        910 months ago

        Another irony here is that the mass slaughter of horses and cattle by Banderites in the late 1920s and early 1930s was one of the major factors leading to the collapse of food production in the early 1930s and the famine across the southern USSR.

      • Smeagolicious [they/them]
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        6610 months ago

        Even then the most some of these gigabrains are willing to admit is “ok he’s likely a nazi but why does that matter?”

        • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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          “ok so he’s a nazi do you have any idea how hard it is to find hardcore nationalists who aren’t nazis” - somehow not a criticism of nationalism

          from the people that brought you “why does all this fascism keep getting in my right wing populist anti-communism”

        • Adkml [he/him]
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          2010 months ago

          Yea the line is now “I’m fine with nazos as long as they’re killing the evil fascist russians”

          Ya know, like mussolini.

          • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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            1410 months ago

            I don’t know how people don’t get that the Russians aren’t fascist the fascists are the ones wearing black suns talking about pagan blood pride

            • Adkml [he/him]
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              1310 months ago

              Cus the libs were told if they support plucky underdog ukraine that makes them the good guys like in the marvel movies.

              Love to watch libs write a thesis on why yelling “die f-slur” isn’t homophobic in Ukrainian culture anytime somebody asks for translations on combat footage.

              You’d think it would click when they start talking about how anybody living in Russia is a valid military target because of what their government is doing after living through the genocide we did in the middle east but the liberal brain is uniquely immune to self reflection.

      • Azarova [they/them]
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        3910 months ago

        The top comment in the thread suggests it’s short for ‘Bonehead’, which is apparently a derogatory way to refer to skinheads.

        • UnicodeHamSic [he/him]
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          Skin heads were just punks. They tended to be poor working class and have some solidarity. Boneheads were the splinter group that was loud and rascist.

    • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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      1110 months ago

      would make a pun about how the only “good” neonazi is a dead neonazi, but my latin isn’t good enough so i would have to use french

  • LeZero [he/him]
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    6710 months ago

    I don’t understand why they keep uploading pictures of neo-nazi soldiers with nazi insignia like there surely are enough non-nazi Ukrainian patriots that died in this war that could be uploaded and celebrated here aside from ultra-nationalists.

    side-eye-1 side-eye-2

  • IceWallowCum [he/him]
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    5210 months ago

    The amount of neo nazi Ukrainians being posted in the past few days is starting to feel like a russian psyop.

    galaxy-brain

    • IceWallowCum [he/him]
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      10 months ago

      This is from the reddit-logo thread. There can’t be a more perfect encapsulation of the last few years around

    • @DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
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      1210 months ago

      I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, these guys are maybe 6 months away from claiming that nazis are fake and were invented by Russia to try and garner sympathy for them for ww2.

    • LibsEatPoop [any]
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      2110 months ago

      You joke but there are people in the thread saying it’s not a black sun but a slightly different symbol of Ukrainian nationalism.

    • hotcouchguy [he/him]
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      3510 months ago

      Yeah, thats all true, but utimately he made his own decisions, and the world is now slightly better off without him in it.

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        utimately he made his own decisions

        Who can say if he made the best decisions he could with the information and opportunity available to him? Not when the information was shit and the opportunities were slim to none. Ukrainian boys are being groomed for this. At some point you can’t discount the propaganda machine that stamps hate into so many foreheads.

        the world is now slightly better off without him in it

        Only after a cartel of shit-heads twisted his soul and tossed away his body. The world won’t be better until the engine of immiseration is silenced. No when the next generation of children is being lined up at the hopper.

        • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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          there is definitely something in the fact that he was only a nazi because he was indoctrinated as a nazi from a young age likely in a program funded by the US

          and as Stalin argued when he called for leniency for the Hitler youth someone raised in nazi ideas is less culpable than an adult that knew better

          that being said it’s not like he was executed and if a nazi is shooting at you who cares how he came to be a nazi

          • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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            410 months ago

            that being said it’s not like he was executed

            Being sent in to charge a fortified position is no different than being executed

            • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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              well the russians didn’t execute him he died trying to kill people

              he also based on his nazi tattoos was probably in favour of the plan of fighting russia tooth and nail here

              I mourn the innocent soul and indoctrinated child ensnared and corrupted by naziism along with you but also that innocent core was part of what became a very dangerous man and it became a tragic necessity for him to die

              if he had been captured I would support him being reeducated rather than killed but there are limits to what you can do and it’s more important to stop him than redeem him

              • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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                well the russians didn’t execute him he died trying to kill people

                That’s the nature of war. If he’d taken another 20-something Russian soldier with shit politics on his way out, I wouldn’t be cheering for that either. What they’re doing is nightmarish, but they’re just tools of the bourgeois fucks playing tug of war over the region.

                I mourn the innocent soul and indoctrinated child ensnared and corrupted by naziism along with you but also that innocent core was part of what became a very dangerous man

                I mourn the man he became. He was wasted before he’d died. But play this game and you’re going to end up doing the “Military Age Males” shit that Americans use as an excuse for genocide. Being some dipshit with a gang tattoo doesn’t make you dangerous. Not even if some goons stuff your hands full of military surplus and shove you towards a battle field. What’s dangerous is the fucks churning these people out.

                if he had been captured I would support him being reeducated

                By whom? The fucking Wagner Corps? The Russian rank-and-file? Its pure fash-infighting

                These people are human sacrifices. Raised like chattel and disposed of just as quickly. That’s horrible on its face. Telling me the veal you’re eating had bad ideology doesn’t make the factory farm that processed him something to celebrate.

                • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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                  1510 months ago

                  Being some dipshit with a gang tattoo doesn’t make you dangerous. Not even if some goons stuff your hands full of military surplus and shove you towards a battle field.

                  he had nazi tattoos and was in an army with recognised regiments of neo nazis. And having a gun in your hand does make you dangerous. If he was just a young man it would be one thing he is a young man in an army

                  yes it’s very sad what happened to him but what happened to him made him actively dangerous to the ethnic russian civilians of the donbass and they also are innocents

                • ProletarianDictator [none/use name]
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                  1410 months ago

                  Why are you crying so hard over dead Nazis?

                  Yes, dogshit people are indoctrinated. Indoctrinated people are the ones calling the shots & the ones dying in the trenches. It’s a system. But you don’t need to mourn this stupid fuck who wants nothing more than to reinforce that system. Violent systems have violent outcomes, be glad it was this guy and not someone who wouldn’t get a fuckin swastika tattoo.

            • ThomasMuentzner [he/him, comrade/them]
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              210 months ago

              what are you currently try to do or demonstrate … he was the Nazi scum that brought that war on all those innocents that you heart should go out to … it is al fine for somebody to get his wish granted …

        • hotcouchguy [he/him]
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          1510 months ago

          Who can say if he made the best decisions he could with the information and opportunity available to him?

          Based on results obviously he didn’t lol. And plenty of others grew up in the same environment and didn’t do this.

          And where do you draw the line anyway? Elon musk was born into his position and reinforced with all the prevailing attitudes in society, is it also not his fault for being a fascist shithead? Everyone is just helplessly following their predetermined path? Seems undialectical. Maybe it’s my predetermined path to have a sensible chuckle when nazis get got.

          If you have some bottomless christ-like empathy for your enemies, then good for you I guess. I think it sounds exhausting and pointless. I still have far more empathy for them than they have for me, that’s the best I can manage personally.

          • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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            510 months ago

            And plenty of others grew up in the same environment and didn’t do this.

            Plenty of others got explosive ordinance dropped on their heads or shrapnel wounds that crippled them for life.

            This guy got targeted for recruitment by a military gang, and took the bait, because even bait looks good when you’re starved.

            You think he was having debates on the quad with his friends over the merits of ideology? You think he was holding up a copy of State and Revolution in one hand and Mein Kampf in the other, with ample opportunity to pick a side?

            If you have some bottomless christ-like empathy for your enemies, then good for you I guess.

            I don’t see this kid as an enemy. I see him as a victim. No different than a black kid shoved into state prison for years. Or a hick from the sticks who enlisted to the American armed forces.

            I was 19 during 9/11, and I absolutely had the “should I join the military?” moment. I had a conga line of people to talk me out of it. He didn’t.

            • Swoosegoose [he/him]
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              610 months ago

              I don’t see this kid as an enemy. I see him as a victim. No different than a black kid shoved into state prison for years. Or a hick from the sticks who enlisted to the American armed forces.

              Unlike the dead nazi these hypothetical people wouldn’t be ethicly cleansing eastern Ukraine if they weren’t getting killed by the Russian army. But also fuck the troops including the hypothetical hick

              • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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                210 months ago

                these hypothetical people wouldn’t be ethicly cleansing eastern Ukraine if they weren’t getting killed by the Russian army

                It isn’t as though the Russians are above a little ethnic cleansing. Just ask the Chechens. We’re back into fash-infighting. Am I supposed to cheer for a former Donetsk resident who was born into a burgeoning civil war aflame with right-wing propaganda at every angle because he got popped by a Russian soldier with equally awful politics doing ethnic nationalism on his side of the newly carved border? Or should I take the Reddit route and clap like a seal any time “Based Ukrainian Liberators Saw Off Man’s Dick While Calling His Girlfriend On His Own Cell Phone” trends on some war-porn sub, because said dickless Russian can be tied back to some anti-LGBT post?

                Its all fucking awful. And there are going to be an ample number of survivors of this war who regret every moment of it. Many of them are going to have some pretty cringe tattoos they picked up in the trenches. Why should we be happy when toxic racist ideology foments war and said war kills the folks that adopted said ideology?