• Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
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    During a debate, AOC would smash any Government of Putin candidate. The problem lies with the Democratic Party.

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    NGL I’ll take any blue tie but we’ve already shown twice that Americans might actually prefer fascism over a woman in charge.

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      While those are two possible points of data, there are a number of other factors that contributed to each Democratic candidates’ loss vs. Trump.

      • Both suffered from being establishment candidates in an antiestablishment era.
      • Both were only really willing to push to milquetoast progressive policies.
      • Both followed disappointing democratic presidents that promised a lot and delivered little, often due to their own party sabotaging attempts at major progressive reform.

      I truly think that Democrat voters want real, progressive change (even if they find words like “socialism” scary) but most Democrat politicians aren’t willing to anger their wealthy Third Way/Neoliberal/Abundance/whatever-the-fuck-they-want-to-call-themselves donors.

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      This is complete and total gatekeeping (actual sexism) bullshit that is frequently parroted but not actually analyzed with a modicum of depth, for one actually did, they would realize it has no bearing in reality. If anyone wants me to explain why, I will happily do so.

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        I voted for the female candidates, they both lost. The gender divide in congress is 7:18, only 28% of elected federal representatives are women. Gen Z voters were divided along gender lines between Trump and Harris. I don’t know how to fix this problem, but ignoring it is not the solution.

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          This has fundamentally zero bearing on the actual outcome of the Presidential election; moreover there are many less female candidates seeking office in the first place. Yes, sexism exists — that’s not in dispute —but sexist voters were never in reach in the first place, whether it was Harris, Biden, Hillary, or Obama.

          • A majority of registered voters are women.

          • A majority of actual voters are consistently women.

          There is just as much risk of women getting pissed off and protesting and staying home because they are tired for voting male candidates.

          There is zero evidence a woman cannot win. You just can’t run inauthentic consultancy-crafted non-charismatic candidates, and BOTH Hillary and Kamala were. Mind you, the same holds true for men. Go ahead and just try to run Tim Kaine and see what happens, I dare you.

          This made all the more clear by the fact that the vast vast vast majority of misogynistic sexist bigots are already a firm part of the conservative maga base —And so they were Never. Up. For. Grabs in the first place.

          • freddydunningkruger@lemmy.world
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            In Christianity, the bible forbids women from exercising authority over men in the church - they are forbidden from any leadership role within the church. This begs the question: what makes you think Christians will vote to elect a woman to the highest level of leadership this country has, into a position where she can make decisions affecting not just one church, but every single church across the US?

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            28% of congress is female, 50.5% of the general population and their ratio gets higher in the average age group that corresponds to congress’. The percentage of people enthusiastic about a female president is down since 2015, a third of voters today say they are not ready for a female president.

            We’re not talking about convincing a population of unbiased, nonprejudiced people. We’re talking about convincing a nation full of hateful assholes. A lot of republican voters will mobilize solely to keep women out of power.

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            There is zero evidence a woman cannot win.

            I’ve got a relatively small sample size, but considering the alternative I dont think its worth grandstanding on your soapbox for another 4-8 years just to trot out another losing horse.

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      Exactly.

      Americans chose a felon rapist clown fascist over HIGHLY qualified women. Twice.

      America is not even close to being ready for a female president.

      If we want to lose again, run a woman. That’s the shit reality in this shitty country.

      Not to mention AOC is still “green”. Clinton was a Senator, a Secretary of State, and ex-first lady. Kamala was a VP. AOC is just a member of the House.

      People need to stop fantasizing and get real. It’s also WAY too early to seriously be talking about this.

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      Just passed the Senate by one vote. Back to the House for the finale vote, which is controlled by Republicans.

      It’s over fam.

      You can kiss this nation goodbye.

      Now hunker down for the suffering and death that’s sure to follow.

      This is what happens when you give conservatives power. Such a profoundly stupid nation of individuals.

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    AOC is a fantastic candidate in an ideal world. But she won’t win. She’s too divisive for Conservatives and moderates and I don’t expect progressives to actually vote; complaining is easier than showing up.

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        Also because both of our major party machines would cooperate in attacking her.

        Neoliberals would rather lose power than signal to their bribers that their party isn’t bought and paid for. President Ocasio-Cortez would be such a signal.

        The DNC promotes on the basis of potential federal level reps getting bribe money. AOC was a spoiler and is not welcome in the party because of her views. That’s why the Neoliberals in congress don’t care Trump is in office and even help him with appointments.

        Neoliberals like Pelosi would lock arms with the Fascists and treat a President AOC like the threat we wished they’d treat their fascist opposition like, but they have too much in common on the same Economic policy they’re both well bribed to enact and protect from us.

        Which is why, all the more, AOC is a good choice. The hatred of our true oppressors on Wall Street is welcome. At worst, it will further demonstrate that the American people aren’t permitted by big corpo to have a real choice in governance, only hypercapitalist robber baron enablers paid to divide us on social wedges as they legislate new ways for the owners to monetize sucking us dry.

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    My right-wing friend finds AOC hot so he might actually vote for her if she runs.

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    She should run for the senate seat when chuck leaves office after he finally comes to his senses.

  • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
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    “After Zohran Mamdani’s win, Trump reveals how scared he is to face Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez”

    Yeah, because she would be running against Trump… That’s a really silly take.

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    Zohran Mamdani is just the democratic primary if I understand correctly. He’s not the mayor of New York yet.

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    Look … not that I have anything against women running for president … but … if we haven’t learned twice from the shitty decision making of the voter population, 2028 is not the year to test if the US can get its first woman as president AGAIN. I’m going to chalk this up as democrats just can’t stand to win and the media needs to stop encouraging that line of thinking. We’ll be lucky if there even is a 2028 election. Also, did everyone forget AOC is not in the good graces of kingmaker Pelosi?