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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/40905844
With some prominent Democrats and liberal pundits arguing for the party to try to win Elon Musk back to its side, you have to ask: Is American politics simply a matter of who can best kiss the ass of narcissistic reactionary billionaires?
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I don’t understand why it’s so difficult for the US to apply the Chinese approach.
Has anyone heard from Jack Ma lately? Is it really a bad thing?Is American politics simply a matter of who can best kiss the ass of narcissistic reactionary billionaires?
Always has been.
We should make sure his life is a living hell at any post he moves to. Make sure anything he touches fails just like Tesla and make sure he can’t have any more kids.
I misread the headline and thought it was a cautionary statement, explaining that elon musk was going around “woo-ing” at people, and you should (under no circumstances) “woo” back.
“do not stare at the musk. It’s will perceive it as a threatening gesture and fling poo at you”
Keep him away from Ric Flair.
Sounds like something someone stoned out their tree WOOuld do though
Made me think of Woo Back Wednesday
Wooooo
He could be a useful tool too disassemble the corrupted administration. We just lack a sufficient craftsman to wield him, and sufficient balls to dispose of him afterwards.
I hope he actually does create another party and split the Republicans, ensuring that none of them win another election ever again.
Be careful, Hillary tried to create an easy opponent too. If we’ve learned anything from 2024, it’s that desperate people will vote for any change. Even if that change is bad.
The whole bifurcated party thing cuts both ways though. The vast majority of the even slightly progressive people are sick and tired of the Democrats handholding with the Republicans only narrowly being the least appetizing item on the menu. There’s nobody standing for the people. Everybody’s standing for the oligarchs. I’m not saying I would vote Republican ever, But we’ve got to be able to do something relatively better than whatever this is we’re doing now.
The Republicans would split on fiscal versus “morals”. Immorally progressive fiscally conservative party to rapillase the publicans might draw a number of the wealthy Democrats with it.
There are other countries out there that do a better job. And it’s quite clear now that our Constitution does not have the teeth It was designed to have.
Seriously. Dems need to get over the endless purity tests. Where that old meme with the communist kangaroo anyway?
useful tool
Why? Based on what, exactly?
The guy is an absolute drug addicted idiot with no skills or empathy anywhere. He got lucky multiple times leading him to where he is today, but he’s always been a lying sack of shit who only is a multi billionaire because of luck and a loooooot of lying.
What, exactly, would make that a useful tool for anything?
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You think i’m going to hold a conversation with you flying off the hinges already? good day sir.
He’s a fucking Nazi. If you try to woo him, you are too. This isn’t rocket science dem dipshits, you’re supposed to be something beyond a fundraising org.
Interesting that you would bring up rocket science.
But like… What if you team up with the Nazis, and just compromise with them? I bet that goes over really well historically
With him leaving the way he did literally nobody in the country likes this man and aiding with him in any way is political suicide.
So you’re saying the Dems are 100% going to try to win him over
They might try to run him for office
Musk-Clinton 2028: Bad Decisions Boogaloo
DNC:
write that down WRITE THAT DOWN
Don’t threaten Dem leadership with a good time. They’re liable to put him at the top of the ticket in 28.
It’s so embarrassing to watch democrats constantly groveling for money.
It’s telling that the leaked audio of the DNC vice president fracas had the establishment guy (Mike Miquetoast or something) whine to David Hogg that he wanted to get back to the real business of fundraising.
The real hard work done in government. The real actual change in the world. The real benefit to the country at large.
FUNDRAISING
Seems Dems just love losing elections.
The thing that shocked me… I was fully expecting that kind of BS ideas from say Jeffries, Schumer, Newsome etc…
But then looking at it the one I’ve seen talking about it was… Ro Khanna, which was one I considered in the “overall tollerable” side of the democrats.
This illustrates the issue of having only 2 political parties. You used to have left and right. Then the right extended all the way to batshit crazy nazi while losing touch with the centre-right, and it collapsed to keep only t̂he nazis. Meanwhile the “left” extended to centre then all the way to the economic right.
Now you have a nazi party and an everything else party, and people ask the last to “get their shit together”, as if socialists would sort out their differences with neo-liberals and conservatives over a quick diner and build a common ground plan.
That just can’t work.
It also accentuates the need for ranked choice voting or something similar. You need to give a people a way to say what they want to say with nuance and power. If everyone says they wish they could vote for someone else but need to vote strategically then parties never need to be good and can just thump on about defeating the evil party.
Yes, I’m from Canada and vote NDP, how did you know?
But so you know well that a party committing to change the voting system will have a change of heart after realizing the current system brought them to power. (I’m in Canada too ;) ).
Of course, and how we force the issue I don’t know. I wish people would just stop strategically voting altogether because it only delays, and grows, the issue but that’s a lost cause. Not that I don’t continue to fight that fight but I know that winning people over toward voting in their best interests isn’t the way.
I wish more people could see this.
They should not try to win him back. They should deport his bitch ass to mars on one of his own rockets.
From the DNC’s perspective: yes, yes it is.
It would be far better for the Pelosis, Fettermans and Newsoms to have photo-ops with a 8647-cap-wearing Musk and talk about tax cuts and deregulation and shiny crypto AI sci-fi futures, and to keep rolling in cash from billionaires expecting to see their good fortune continue, than to be forced to heed the views of the AOCs and alienate their sponsors. This way, at least the gravy train keeps rolling.
I can’t remember where but there was specifically a complaint by a DNC person that the people were donating more money than the corporations were. Like, it’s not even the money, they just want the excuse to keep being shitty.
Smart play would be to manipulate him into opposing the cunts in congress. No need to take a single dollar in campaign contributions. Just goad him into forming a PAC opposing repub spending. Split the degenerate vote.
I UNDERSTAND where the DNC Leadership is Coming from! If they WOO Musk then they Might LOSE the Next Election but STILL be Rich (for the Time Being!)! And if they WOO people like AOC they might WIN MULTIPLE ELECTIONS while being SLIGHTLY less Rich (forever!)!
Your POST gave me a SEIZURE Which I will be Recovering from (forever)!
To bad. Money talks. Huge advantage. Take what we can get. It’s immoral to make terrible strategic choices when the consequences of losing is letting Nazi 2.0 take power.
Just make the deal where he has to fund a small Navy to send aid to Palestine.
in the 2024 election the RNC raised 390 million, dems raised 548 million. Dems still lost. The old consultant wisdom that whoever raises the most money wins no matter what didnt work.
That’s crazy I didn’t know that. But I think of funding. I think of funding grifters like heritage foundation, TPUSA, people’s careers like Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, Tim Pool whoever amplifies.
There’s not much on the left. Unless it’s a former Republican who is now anti Trump.
let’s work with the Hitler salute guy who explicitly donated a bunch of money to buy access and spent months using that access to cripple the government for decades to come.
So the solution to defeat Nazi 2.0 is to cater to Nazi 2.1?
We have the technology to make it better, stronger, and faster!
Yea if they pay up
Go to bed with a Nazi you wake up a Nazi.
You’re a Nazi regardless if you believe that. But also no doesn’t work like that. That’s a pretty dramatic take. He’s a drugged out idiot. His salute bullshit was trolling at the worst. Let him fund things. You don’t need to invite him into your house for a beer. The actual Nazis are in government right now in key positions hiring strategically. We’re so far up shits Creek. It’s just like any of you fucking people are funding anything on the left.
How about we just tax him instead of acting like quislings?
WW2 reference? Or WWZ reference?
The former. I read WWZ but never watched the movie or played the game.
You’re not giving him anything. He’s paying. How does that make you the quisling. If you’re using WWII knowledge. That was is fillled with examples of strategy over some made up head up our ass moral superiority. Take advantage especially capital in a capitalist world. Especially a capitalist with massive signal boosting capabilities. Tired of fucking losing with you people.
This is the most neolib response I’ve ever read.
The fucking world is burning and I partially blame the left for ineffective and incompetent strategies and ideals. In my life, the left has a decent hold on things. Every year things improved bit by bit. But then the Internet came and it became clearer and clearer things changed. Instead of adsorption adapting the left just lost and continued to lose and never once has been critical of why they have been losing. It’s always how others are just dumb or rich.
So you want to double down on neoliberalism, which is mainly the reason why Dems keep losing? You’re as much as a genius as Musk.
You seem to be mistaking the Democrats for “the left” when they are in fact a party of right-wing moderates.
I’d advise looking up Douglas McCarthy for some historical perspective on why there is no “left wing” in American politics.
You’re not giving him anything. He’s paying. How does that make you the quisling.
Depends, is he going to put out a press release and leverage his “donation” to whitewash his reputation or is it going to be anonymous and with no strings attached?
That’s on us and the Democrats. The Democrats probably will but who cares, they’re fucking garbage anyways. Are you about to suck him off or anyone else? Probably not.
But does he want in and can fund lots of shit. Fuck yea he can. Operation paperclip his ass. Bring him in. Have him donate to Harvard, fund some Mercs to get aid into Palestine. Hell he is a troll, have him buy all the properties around Trump’s properties and build them higher than his. Who fucking cares. Capital is good. Capital does things. We’ve already lost everything. Take the W when we can.
Nah, IMO the Democrats are shitty enough as it is without the world’s richest zit getting involved.
The problem is that if he funds things he’s going to trying to influence things to go to the right. He hates “woke”, believes white genocide is a threat, believes in suppression of free speech, hates regulation, etc…
I don’t think he believes any of those things. He’s a capitalist. He doesn’t care because those are rules. Rules do not apply to the rich like him. They’re just pieces on a game board they move around. He wants attention. Take advantage. Convince him to aid Palestine and they’ll all be eating cyber trucks in a week.
He absolutely believes in those things, and has shown multiple times he’s willing to light his money on fire to support his ideals. He’s idealistic (adjacent to the neo-fascist Dark Enlightenment movement), and not just simply motivated by wealth.
As a believer of white genocide there’s no way we can convince him to aid Palestine. Supporting Ukraine again, maybe.
I think guys like him can be convinced to action with some very petty motivations. But we just need methods to motivate
Imagine being so stupid you can’t differentiate a nazi from a nazi. Good thing you’re not in politics, champ.
Hand waving a hand wave… I did Nazi that coming.
Don’t care end of the day. The way you all get wrapped up over shit that doesn’t matter is crazy. The guy is trying to be 4chan irl. You people call everybody Nazis. He’s just a troll. He doesn’t have enough moral conviction to be a Nazi. He’s just a drug addict
None of that is a good look for Democrats.
Elon isn’t a democrat
The article is akout whether the Democratic Party should try to “win” Elon back.
Its bad strategy and the thing that Democrats really need to learn right now: Money doesn’t win elections.
3x+ fundraising for Harris. Loss.
Musk drops millions on judicial race. Loss.
People win elections. You are just wrong about money.
Money doesn’t win elections alone. But it’s like 90% of what it takes to win. A politician spends most of their year canvassing for funds. That is why Washington is majority call centers for these politicians. Look it up. It has the most call centers per capita because they all cold call donors for funding.
The left needs content. Content creators need funding. People don’t win elections. Money wins elections. If money didn’t win elections, the deliverables Democrats would have a higher success rate. The left is circling the drain. It’s not the 1900s anymore. A political group made up of poor angry young people isn’t going to be able to punch as hard against the authoritarian forces that exist today. You can’t just freak out and burn cities. You need subversion and better strategy. It all costs money. The left on all fronts has lost. There’s no coming back especially with the awareness some of them have. They do the same thing every year and act like it’ll work while also crying about how bad it’s become. But it’s never them it’s always the mean rich people. Well maybe being rich has something to do with their success and victories over the past could decades.
