For the record I was posting in support of inclusive language, but pointing out that context and convention matter.
They seem to have even scrubbed my comment from their instance, lol.
They could not in fact get over it, dude.
They must feel very strongly about the word dude. I’m in your camp on it. It’s an exclamation, nothing more 🤷
Wow. That is about the tamest comment that’s ever gotten someone banned.
Duuuuude
I’m just glad I’m not the only one who views dude as androgynous.
I thought I was one of the few.
I find these always interesting to read in the following sentence: ‘I fucked a bunch of dudes’.
Do you also believe that this sentence would work for you? (Assuming you are a heterosexual)
Because I always thought I was in the ‘Dude is androgynous’ camp, but after considering that sentence: I don’t think so anymore
I find it androgynous and will use it for anyone, but if anyone told me they were uncomfortable with me referring to them that way, I would stop, as with anything. It’s simply decent to refer to people as they prefer.
Dude and cunt applies to all genders.
Contextually gendered
Wouldn’t be a leftist platform if they didn’t spend the majority of their time and effort self policing based on their purity tests instead of doing something actually productive
I still remember watching that socialist convention that spent an hour doing nothing but teaching people to wave their hands in the air to signal applause and running someone down that dared to use the word “guys”. Point of Personal Privilege, my ass.
The People’s Front of Judea vs the Judean People’s Front!
I was banned from a community called, “Pleasant Politics,” that I had never heard of or interacted with, but honestly, as a preemptive move, fair enough.
Oh that place is an interesting idea but poor execution.
Last I knew they would ban you if you got banned from any of the news comms or had too many controversial comments. Which just boiled down to downvotes
I remember the creator of the bot that does the bans insisted until he was blue in the fact that it doesn’t ban based on downvotes while spewing a lot f technobabble that ultimately ammounted to banning for downvotes. So yeah, he’s trying to bring back one of the worse features of Reddit, that being an ass kissing requirement, that’s what karma requirements are, they are an ass kissing requirement, because the way you get karma points is by kissing ass, the way you lose them is by sharing new or different ideas. See the issue with them? The system punishes people for having ideas that other people don’t like, not that are wrong or evil, but that other people simply don’t like. That’s not even mentioning people who cheat the system by doing vote manipulation to their own comments or to other comments.
until he was blue in the fact
This phrase is genius.
I understand the reddit karma requirements, having seen too many small subs get swarmed by x day old but no or only negative karama but yeah that creator didn’t seem to want anything polite, just acceptable to status quo thinking
Karma requirements only punish people who have different thoughts and opinions and who are honest enough to not cheat by using bots or upvoting their own comments with alts. It’s not a good solution, it punishes people who are honest and don’t commit vote manipulation. It’s why the Lemmy Devs removed score from the API, it’s still possible to get it but it’s harder, and more effort since you have to get it from each comment and post and add them up.
Hmm, well, I wasn’t banned from anything before that, and none of my comments had been highly downvoted. I had gotten in a few people’s faces over genocide denial, though. I assumed it was because of that.
Funny enough, I just double-checked, and it looks like I’ve recently been banned from a bunch of Dubvee communities, too. I’ve never heard of this instance before, but based on this post, I’m guessing they didn’t like my thoughts on United Healthcare. Again, I wasn’t even aware of Dubvee until now, so I can’t say it feels like much of a loss.
Apparently I’ve been banned and unbanned multiple times from that comm. Absolutely no idea even after reading their experiments faq.
Even their examples of bad comments were like 3 downvotes vs 8 up
From the linked description:
More accurately, the Lemmy community is surprisingly tolerant of a wide range of opinions
No, no they aren’t. Communities have general set of opinions and they will often downvote you having the wrong one even if its as trivial as preferring the “wrong” team in a sporting event.
Q: Why doesn’t the bot notify for bans?
There are a few users who get banned or unbanned very day, as the pattern of user comments and votes changes over time. It’s important that bans be “lightweight,” and always reversible for anyone who is banned.
If I was randomly unbanned without being actually transgressive and I never knew when I could post I would very very shortly stop engaging with a community.
Q: Won’t people learn to fake upvotes for themselves and trick the bot?
It’s worse most comments most places will have near zero engagement. Threads are full of stuff only a few people upvoted it would be easy to use this system to harass and silence people. Hell People look at karma as the communities judgement and are actually more likely to downvote less likely to upvote if an innocuous comment is shortly reduced to -1
Is there a lemmy instance that isn’t basically trash?
The key is that you said “but…” which in some communities fails the test of absolute 100% agreement and makes you The Enemy. I had a very similar experience there, in my case it was saying someone who is “uncomfortable” with gender issues might not actually “hate” anybody, they could just be having trouble overcoming how they were raised. But in the end it’s like if a TV channel stops but you get thousands of other channels, so oh well <shrug>.
Consider the source of the action(a person pursuing a position of authority on a relatively miniscule network) and keep on keeping on. Decades of forums moderated by basement dwellers with a Napoleon complex have made it hard for me to take things like this seriously.
I don’t even like IKEA.
Lmao they banned me for saying we shouldn’t let trump get elected, the blahaj mods are awful
Imagine going out of your way to mod based on shit posted else where.
I have been saying this… We have too much modding for no fucking reason.
We literally got 50k AMU, and half the modding is based on vibes, I don’t like the tone or content of the comments
As if there is not enough real modding to go around lol
Wait til they find out you once gave a Like to someone who once posted a questionable tweet!
The mod to user ratio in some of the communities is way out of whack. Just start with one mod who does nothing except manage spam and actual harmful content posted explicitly to be harmful. If the community ever grows so much that more mods are required, add only as needed and not more. And do the absolute minimum to make the community a good place to be, so it has a chance to grow and flourish.
What I’m saying is mod in moderation.
So much for “inclusivity”
Blahaj is essentially the padded room of Lemmy. The users there never ever ever want to see a difference in opinion, a naughty word, or a thought provoking comment. They want to be victims and talk about cute stuff. Completely within their rights to make their instance the most cringe thing on the Internet and yet another example of leftists fighting other leftists and pointing fingers at one another over minor issues while conservatives actually are exterminating minorities at record pace and creating laws and regulations to destroy lives. It might be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
So a marginalized group that gets continuously shit on both offline and irl makes a lemmy community with strict rules so they can have a space to enjoy lemmy and take a break from being shat on… and you have a problem with it? Why does all online activity have to be productive? Why can’t people make safe space to relax in?
Thought that was Beehaw?
Definitely more beehaw. They don’t like when other instances don’t follow their rules…
I’ve had nothing but thoughtful and pleasant interactions with users from Beehaw, so what’s the tea with them?
Weren’t they the ones who defederate any instance that allows the word “poop”?
I…have no idea? I don’t really know any Lemmy lore outside of that time everyone was posting beans. But my instance doesn’t ban “poop” and I can clearly see Beehaw, so probably not.
Is there a lemmy version of r/subredditdrama? Because that would be helpful lol
Not literally but aren’t they the ones that basically don’t federate with anyone because they have the moderation policies of Nick Jr and allow basically nothing more scandalous than “If You’re Happy And You Know It” in?
Again, I don’t know. My instance seems to be fine with them, and I wouldn’t say it’s Nick Jr here. I also just see the same news/tech/whatever posts on Beehaw as the ones on .world or whatever, so I don’t even know what the content difference would be.
But now I’m just even more curious about any potential mod/admin drama regarding these defederations, damn it.
I came over fairly early during the Rexodus and a lot of the scuttlebutt was about Beehaw defederating basically anyone who had an open sign-up policy, which includes sh.itjust.works.
They ban anyone for being a dick.
As is their right to? Like the whole point of Beehaw is to foster a positive environment. I’ve disagreed with many people there (including their admin, I’m pretty sure) without getting banned.
Same guy?
"It’s completely within their rights, but I’m still going to make a paragraph-long complaint about it, even though it doesn’t affect me.’
Ah yes, echo chambers have never had disatrous consequences for people outside of them. Brilliant.
Yes that’s how internet discussions work chief…
Do you want him banned too now?
Yes, I’m aware that Internet discussions are often full of people complaining about shit that doesn’t affect them. I’m still going to point out that it’s stupid.
Is… Is this not exactly that?
I was once told my choice of defaulting to referring to people as they/them is offensive to nonbinary people. I don’t necessarily know your pronouns at that particular instance of time when speaking, and being offensive is not my intention, but it seems to happen anyway.
Which is why I call they/them the equal oppurtunity offender. It doesn’t discriminate in its neutralness.
Wait until they hear what non-binary sounds like in Spanish, a language that genders every noun as either male or female.
They/them is extremely practical and I’ve yet to meet a non-binary person in real life who complains about the umbrella usage of it. Some people just want to be offended or want to police behaviour. They should stay on twitter.
What the hell? I call everyone they these days as to not offend anyone, I’m trying to be inclusive with this.
At least from one Non Binary, I default they/them and have no idea why I personally would find it offensive.
I usually get a lot of hate when I call it “binary thinking” to see only two extreme polar opposite sides to any issue. Some people don’t relate to that term outside of gender issues.
Once it’s cheap enough, I will unironically just pay for Gemmini or something to monitor my comments and keep track of all the rules. I can’t possibly deal with all the nuances and expectations of every instance.
If someone is still offended after that, idk what to say.
Just don’t care if you get banned other than to whine about it in whine subs.
This is the most retarded shit about us on the left. We fight over every little thing while the right can unite over only one issue.
Spanish has neutral gender one so does English… “It” but somehow it ain’t enough
Nope, everything is either lo (masculine “the”) or la (feminine “the”), and there is no “the” which is gender neutral.
Yeah, when saying things like “this” or “that” there is a neutral version used only and very explicitly for objects when you’re not using the actual noun for the object - i.e. in “give me that” but not in “give me that box” - but that’s about as close as the thing gets to having a neutral gender.
Same with Portuguese, Italian, French and, as far as I know, all Romance languages out there.
Funny bit is that whilst for most things the same thing tends to be have a noun which is masculine or feminine in all of those languages (at least the ones I know, so no idea about Romanian), some words might be masculine in one language and feminine in another or vice-versa.
That’s why some people push the Latinx crap. If you ever want to make a Hispanic person mad, call them Latinx.
While he ain’t wrong about neuter being limited usage I also had spanish speakers tell me latinx is idiotic but if you mist then “latine” is the proper term.
Latinx is some shot cooked up in American universities and has been brute forced into general use but nobody appears to have asked the Spanish speaking latino people lol
But we’re OK with both, and we do use both occasionally. We even used the @ in the 90s-00s until it fell out of fashion as in Latin@.
It’s usually only a problem when Americans discuss it amongst yourselves and start blaming each other about who did what, which then polarizes the conversation further for everyone else, especially other Latinos who wouldn’t have felt encroached otherwise. Because to us, in the vacuum of ignorance, it’s just another whimsy feature of the language.
That’s not quite true anymore. A lot of progressives have been adopting it and it’s quite common to see in Spanish lingo, especially in gay and feminist circles, whether tongue-in-cheek or otherwise because it is a viable way of writing incusivity in some way.
Here’s a picture of a published book by one of my acquaintances who’s both feminist and queer:
How do you pronounce that?
Dude is gender neutral
Not to everyone, and that’s cool, until someone tells you not to call them dude anymore. Then your an asshole if you try to argue the gender neutrality of the term dude. Such as telling someone to get over it.
I’m a dude, he’s a dude, she’s a dude, we’re all dudes, yea!
How many dudes have you fucked?
Only the homies.
So is bitch, but if you ask someone to stop calling you bitch and they tell you to get over it, then they’re assholes.
That’s because bitch is an insult
Insult is very subjective. I have friends that call me and I call bitch all the time.
You’re arguing that the context is subjective to the word provided yes? Yet your example is also subjective, clearly when your friends call you bitch it’s not meant as an insult. I can’t think of a single instance in which using dude as an insult is going to get someone offended on purpose, where bitch definitely can be used purposefully.
Dude can be used as an insult when used to refer to someone who specifically said they don’t want to be called dude. I don’t know why this is so hard for you. If people don’t want to be called something, don’t call them that. Definitely don’t tell them it’s their fault if they’re offended and they need to get over it.
Big stretch there bud.
Bad faith behavior there lol
Bitch is technically an insult… Dude is not
Have lots of friends that calm me bitch. They can do so because I’m fine with it. If I tell them I’m not and they reply with “get over it”, we have a problem.
Do ban them immediately after alone act of this felonious transgression?
🤡
I don’t ban people in real life. I would definitely cut them off. Why are you trying to normalize abuse?
Have you tried banning people in real life?
Cuntycunt
This community only has one rule so far: if you’re gonna troll, it had better be clever and entertaining. Make of that what you will.
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Using “dudes” as a common noun, is different from using “dude” as a vocative, apples to oranges my dude
