• Dragon Rider (drag)
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          213 days ago

          Pollution actually makes the bugs stronger. Maybe they like pollution and want to go eat it all up.

          • @PlexSheep@infosec.pub
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            They get stronger because they mutate to fight back

            I never meant evolution, or to spark a debate about it. They fucking get stronger the more poison there is, maybe something whacky happens to them

            • Dragon Rider (drag)
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              013 days ago

              That’s not how evolution works. A species evolves to get stronger in battle if the weak ones die in battle. A species evolves stronger lungs if the weak ones die of lung cancer. Dying of lung cancer doesn’t make a species better fighters.

              • Pollution makes their species stronger; this doesn’t imply an individual preference.

                Idiots walking off cliffs doesn’t make the survivors like cliffs; it teaches them to avoid them.

                That said, evolution can be a real crap shoot, and you never know what sort of perverse effects you’ll get: like us loving sugar so much we eat ourselves into diabetes.

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                Drag is correct, but it’s fantasy evolution we’re talking about

                • Dragon Rider (drag)
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                  112 days ago

                  Maybe. Or maybe they like the pollution. Maybe with better resource availability, they’re able to spend more energy on growing bigger and stronger without threatening survival.

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        1113 days ago

        But your corporate overlords demand it, sadness isn’t efficient, get back to work!

        But really they did a great job with commentary. People still say “why can’t we get green energy in the game?”. Because that’s not the point. This is raw capitalism. You’re dropped on a pristine planet, destroy the environment, clear it of all natural resources. It’s &meant_ to make you feel guilty. Maybe look around outside

    • @stupidcasey@lemmy.world
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      That’s just Evil, if we build an industrial park there where will the slaves forced labor work bit*hes

      *Due to recent very public events our Public relations officer has been sent on leave with pay instead Nataly will complete this statement.

      That’s just Evil, if we build an industrial park there where will the (Checks Notes) Employees park there cars?

      • @corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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        Nataly needs a spelling-checker. Also, a quick tutorial on comma splices wouldn’t be wasted.

        You know: grade school stuff.

        • @stupidcasey@lemmy.world
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          Thanks, I’ll remember that when I go to school… oh wait, I’m not in school anymore. I’m gainfully employed, get paid plenty, and nobody cares. Huh, it’s almost like the hyper-educated imposition placed on us by society is simply a form of control, gatekeeping, and self-aggrandizing and the people who spent more time studying than forming relationships wasted their time and are now disgruntled because they have to work harder than those who aren’t overly anal grammar Nazis.

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    Avatr is about capitalism

    That wasn’t glaringly obvious to everyone?

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        you forget the kind of people who complain that wolfenstein games or the x-men animated series “became” political

      • FuglyDuck
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        Some people are dense enough that “the point” is the name of a baseball bat you have to go get to get it across.

        It was also about the poor soldiers getting used to further capitalism.

        Honestly, though…. That military wasn’t very credible. Half their aircraft you could disable by dumping buckets of pebbles into the fans.

      • Well acschually oxygen is a corrosive chemical and probably damages your lungs (since that’s the tissue that comes in most contact with it). And also the Great Oxydation Event is probably one of the greatest - if not the greatest - mass extinction of all times, so …

    • @pressanykeynow@lemmy.world
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      Well it’s literally Pocahontas in space so more obvious comparison is to the colonialism. They could grow gardens and farms while destroying the natives, the movie would have been the same.

      • Ech
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        1. Colonialism was driven by capitalism

        2. They weren’t settling land - they were setting up a mining operation.

        • @AppleTea@lemmy.zip
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          It was just one line of dialog, but the sequel did mention that the company is expanding from just resource extraction to selling settlements to the wealthiest who are fleeing a dying earth

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            the sequel

            So not the original then. The one being discussed.

  • @egrets@lemmy.world
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    I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they’d never expect it.

    - Jack Handey

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    Yeah man, we all understood that the first time around when it was called Fern Gully.

    Like Avatar if you want but like… it is not a deep piece of media with hard-to-discern messaging. Shit is pretty clear.

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      Fucking Tarzan was fighting evil white exploiters of pristine Africa in books back in the early 1900s.

      A good white saviour from the evil white people, because the indigenous can’t do it for themselves. Just like in Ferngully and Avatar.

      • @Vespair@lemm.ee
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        I can’t decide if I should post the “wait, it’s all the failures of capitalism?” or “wait, it’s all systemic racism?” meme, cuz it’s wait it’s all both (always has been).

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        Are there even any indigenous people in Tarzan? I haven’t read the book, but from the movie I only remember his gorilla buddy and the little elephant. I think Tarzan is more about rebelling against civilization in general, instead of colonization in specific (which James Cameron’s Avatar is). It’s very post-industrialization in that sense.

        Edit: Whoops, just read the synopsis on Wikipedia. I don’t think Tarzan is the white saviour you’re looking for…

    • Maven (famous)
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      One time I unmatched someone from a dating app because the second avatar movie was coming out and they said that it was weird of me to say that the alien people were supposed to represent Native Americans because “they’re just blue aliens why would you compare them to real life?”

      Apparently media literacy makes you a weirdo?

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        Yes it definitely makes you weird. Turn the brain off and consume the media like a good little sheep (/s if it wasn’t obvious)

  • @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    I’m torn, because there’s an idea that industrial capital only knows how to consume and destroy what it touches. And there’s ample evidence to that effect.

    But there’s this other more naive notion that life never changes, species don’t compete for habitat, and doing anything to alter the local ecology is this unforgivable sin. This, despite the fact that everything in the area is itself a product of eons of speciation and evolution and carnivorization.

    The impulse to preserve has to be balanced with the expectation for change. The goal should be symbiosis, not stasis.

    • @FooBarrington@lemmy.world
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      The issue is that you’re changing the ecosystems and environments so much that all those eons of evolution are simply lost. The only other times this happens is during natural catastrophes. Sure, in the long run this allows new life forms to take the old ones places, but it’s still a massive loss of diversity and evolutionary knowledge - and unnecessary suffering for millions of living beings.

      When species compete for a habitat, they rarely destroy it - and those species that do either don’t survive for long, or they wipe out large swaths. We’re actively killing almost anything in our habitats, and destroying them for almost all previous species.

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      The idea that nature is precious and must be preserved is human-centric.

      Trees caused an extinction event when they appeared by absorbing all the carbon dioxyde and radically changing the atmosphere. But we feel bad when we’re the ones doing it

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          Or when they blast a few square kilometers of forest from orbit to make space for an alien whale refinery. It may say something about us and I hope to understand it one day.

  • I Cast Fist
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    That comic also represents 100% of all survival crafting games, plus Factorio

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      It’s true, but when I play games like Terraria, I try to preserve beautiful features of the map and even incorporate them into my builds. Like those surface cave things where it’s basically floating dirt/rock with grass and trees growing on them. I often make those into the entrances of underground homes. Same with the deserts. When you get the actuators, you can make sand entrances. I also enjoy making houses in the leaves of the living trees.

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      That’s what I was wondering. Capitalists didn’t invent exploitation of nature, it just so happened that its worldwide adoption coincided with unprecedented technological advances. There’s quite a few examples of historical societies that exploited nature as much as they could and suffered for it.

      • Dragon Rider (drag)
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        Businesses under capitalism aren’t required to pay for the externalities of their decisions. In a democratic economy, the people affected by corporate decisions would have a say in those decisions. It’s reasonable to assume that people want to breathe clean air and continue to have food and water, so they’d support policies that do that.

    • @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      The take on immortality in Avatar 2 is really interesting, because both sides get to have it.

      spoiler

      But on one side of the fence, you’ve got a familial connection that echoes through eternity with the spirits of one’s family forever surrounding you and offering guidance.

      On the other side of the fence you just have Eternal Employment, in which your immortal mind is a captive instrument for the profit of your masters.

      One is this transcendent euphoric existence and the other is an allusion to hell itself.

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    Don’t forget about the part from the intro (might have been cut from the theatrical release):

    They can fix a spine, if you have the money. But not from a VA check. Add $5 and you get yourself a cup of coffee.

    • @robinoberg@feddit.ukOP
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      It’s a motif as old as time. Foreign invader getting Stockholm Syndrome with the natives. Another famous example is Dances With Wolves. That film called The Great Wall as well. Some versions of Robin Hood has it. Anthropologists call it Going Native, which is what Carlos Castañeda did.

      But they’re not all about economic expansionism

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    I saw the film in a theater with someone who wanted to impress upon me that someone pointed out to her how alike it was to what happened to indigenous peoples in the Americas (someone else had pointed that out to her, so she assumed I wouldn’t get it on my own). I was like, if you think that’s a novel observation, you really need to be hit in the face with concepts to understand things. It couldn’t have been more obvious.

    But maybe that highlights how much some people just aren’t observant or introspective or whatever else. It would explain a lot.