Nooooooooo whyyyyyy

lmfao

Tyrannical and erratic Hexbear ban for defending a war criminal vs. free and democratic lemm.ee preemptive ban for not supporting genocide

Lmao some sore loser went and banned him for dunking too hard?

Libs will just yell at you about how it’s the best economy ever and you’re probably just doing life wrong or something.

There are a few criticisms of Dems from the right that I agree with. #1 being that they are all elitists and smug.

Liberal socialist?

The solution is to recognize that this electoral system is a complete failure and acknowledge that it must be completely done away with in favor of something that works

Here’s my plan, and I’ll even tell you without being a

Abandon electoralism as the primary method of achieving anything, its become blatantly obvious to anyone paying attention that things will not improve under our current system and wasting time trying to get people elected will not help anyone

Next is to establish a network of interconnected mutal aid groups, to provide to the people all that they need and deserve. The government has shown it doesn’t care about maintaining any actual infrastructure or protecting the vulnerable which leads to my third point

We need a vanguard, both to protect the people who need it and to punish those who would oppose our work. They would be armed and trained and held to a higher standard than our enemies

With the support network and vanguard in place, we can spread our message and gather support up, it won’t be easy but it will be better than sitting on our hands and having a heart attack every four years for the rest of our lives

The thing to learn is that there’s no hope to be found in the ‘democratic’ system that’s in place. It’s going to get worse, not because we didn’t vote for the genocidal fascist with the exact same policies as the other uncouth genocidal fascist, but because of more fundamental forces are going to continue to play out either way. It’s about getting past that step in ‘what should I do’ to the next one.

You can struggle with yourself over the premise but once you acknowledge it’s true, you have to pick yourself up and move on to planning for the future we’re stuck with and how to connect that end with the future we all deserve.

And it’s also not gonna change by voting

You can tell yourself that you’re voting left but the Overton Window still shifts right. Look at immigration. Look at the courts. Roe. It’s taking a hard right with the “left” candidate already in office.

If it’s going to go right either way, then focus your efforts on something else.

The change that I make might not “do anything”, but I am not going to just punch in Team Blue and then sit back and blame things on other people not voting the way you think they should have voted. That’s not doing anything at all.

2 genocides

Now you’re literally just making shit up lol

I can’t believe that I parsed this

Restraining them by -checks notes- sending them weapons and allowing them to use their satellite data to bomb them? By trying to redefine antisemitism as criticism of Israel and therefore trying to validate their actions?🤔

Fuck off and die you disgusting ghoul

Ok so try political change that destroys a system that forces you to vote for blue or red genocide every 2 years

I have personally been harmed by Biden’s policies

Um, sweaty, have you considered that no, you haven’t?

It’s capped for people on Medicare. It’s not capped generally.

It’s not the action, but the goal. The actions you describe are indefensible, but the goal of those actions is not societal destabilization.

Wtf is this gibberish? The ACTIONS are the causal factors leading to “societal destabilization”, are you saying the genocide and taking on board Trump’s immigration policy is fine in the long run because the intentions or “goals” are good? Wtf are you talking about you disgusting little shit?

I don’t like for anyone to know who I am, but my face and my name is on my city’s YouTube channel dressing down my entire city council for inaction over a ceasefire resolution - which they then fucking passed. A Palestine flag has been flying outside my house for months. Go read my comment history. Between the hilarious stories of personal tragedy, you’ll find an unwavering position.

You’re a piss poor liar and a fraud, a fake-ass reddit clown, all that nonsense chest-thumping is rendered meaningless the minute you accept the conditions of the DNC, if the beginning of any statement implies or begins with “Yes Joe Biden committed genocide…BUT” then that explicitly defines genocide as conditional and open to negotiation, the absolute definition of a wavering position

Not only have you DONE NOTHING, but you’ve explicitly endorsed genocide, YOU helped normalize it and no amount of post facto bargaining is gonna wash the blood off your hands fool

You have no credibility with your generalizations

lmao you dumb fuck that’s the best you got? “Boo hoo”??? you’re crying about how we need to normalize genocide while sitting there pretending like Joe Brandon has any chance of victory after June 27th and you want to talk about credibility? You’re so blinded and twisted up by political resentment you don’t even realize your political cohort is in the middle of a civil war to oust the rotten lich you elevated as a figure of praxis activism

Wake the fuck up, stop trying to “own the tankies” for five seconds and go watch some mainstream coverage, maybe then the gears in your capitulationist skull will finally figure out you’ve just been a rube for a political class who doesn’t give a fuck about your morally compromised ass

I think you should join a communist party and work towards building some dual power

In what universe is that not the definition of accelerationism.

This one.

So you don’t have an answer then? Neat. Go watch the west wing for 7th time.

Its not the action, but the goal. The actions you describe are indefensible, but the goal of those actions is not societal destabilization.

The purpose of a system is what it does. I don’t give a shit about the idealistic ends some demented war criminal thinks will come about, I care about the actual results of their actions which is destabilisation.

Not gonna engage with the rest of your text where you show your hand as a condescending smuglord. Its clear you have no capability to engage with others except to condescend from an imagined position of ideological superiority placed upon a corpse throne of all the people Biden are murdering (you’re safe tho, so it’s fine!)
Cum

I agree with you.
I don’t only vote in every single election and argue with strangers online. I go to city council meetings. I email and call elected officials to argue policy. I design, print, and uh… distribute stickers with political messages around town. I’m directly involved with government transparency efforts, and I’m about to start prying at my local RCV group to figure out why they haven’t attempted to field a ballot initiative

This is all still well within the bounds of electoralism. Certainly more than most people can say, but it doesn’t truly get at the heart of what historically drives major change, ie organizing and directly contesting.

And, yes, my assumptions are purely assumptions, but they’re rational, I think - the majority of opinions here (or perhaps loudest voices) argue for not voting, and I cannot connect that sentiment to one that trans folks and/or POC would embrace, since that strategy helps the people who want to harm them. But your arguments - which I understand to be that folks should take action, openly acknowledge the failure of the current system, and still vote - would benefit trans/POC folk, and that does invalidate my demographic assumptions.

People here are largely not suggesting simply that change happens by sitting on your thumbs and not voting. People here are arguing that voting, and electoralism in general, is a lost cause for enacting positive change. You should spend a bit of time on Hexbear and see the demographics, the trans space here is one of the largest on Lemmy and one of the most active. I believe the last informal survey found around 40-50% of Hexbear is trans.

I have to be honest. I don’t think I’ll read The State and Revolution. I am interested in your viewpoint, but 100+ pages on a sort of weirdly organized website aren’t really something I think I’m capable of sticking through.
Is it a correct assumption, though, that your intent was to express that the revolution/change would occur through gradual and peaceful social change rather than violent revolution?

No, it’s not a correct assumption. Gradualism has never worked in the favor of the Working Class, historically. State and Revolution does not mean individual acts of terrorism are the way to go, either. The point of the text is that reform cannot work in a bourgeois democracy because the class in power will not relinquish power willingly. See what happened to Allende in Chile. Instead, revolution is more of an inevitability, so it’s up to leftists to prepare and organize so that the revolution can be properly steered. Occupy Wall Street is an example of a movement with no solid base. Same with Chaz.

I really do suggest reading Leftist theory, you can download State and Revolution and read it on an EReader if you like.

You have me on several points.

You say this and then you go on to repeat the same arguments and ignore the “several points” I’ve made. Your attempt at rhetorics is poorly done.

The logic behind not voting is the same as the idiots who vote third party every presidential election, and then skip all the local elections. This is not the one you throw your vote away on.

You are repeating yourself and not addressing the arguments put forth about lesser-evilism.
Also the vote isn’t wasted, you just need to vote for them too. Tell your friends to vote for PSL and we might be able to beat Trump! (Since you’re denser than a brick golem in a tungsten mine: I’m being facetious)

And I’m not invoking identity politics.

You’re trying to use queer people and POC as a cudgel to hide behind, despite the fact that the only people who can consider themselves safe in Bidens America are straight white conservative men. You are invoking identity politics.

I’ m literally saying what the right has said they want to do, and saying that even if you don’t think you’ll be impacted, you’re wrong.

I am already impacted by Bidens America.

Your statement about Biden needs support.

Which one? I make a lot of statements.

And Democracy is at stake. Biden is a doddering old fool and the Democratic Party are a bunch of shills captive to their corporate donors.

I don’t disagree that whatever semblance of democracy the US has left is at stake. I just believe both candidates will destroy it.

But I’m still not going to be a party to facilitating the greater evil! What kind of stupidity is that?

They’re equally evil, which is the point several people have been trying to hammer into your dense skull. Biden has expanded several of Trumps policies, done nothing to roll back the harmful ones, ignored all the bs that isn’t being actively perpetrated by himself, attempted to provoke a war with China, perpetrated a genocide in Palestine, crushed strikes, done fuck all about the climate, given more money to cops, done fuck all to stop or reverse the overturning of Roe v Wade - which was the main argument we should vote for him last time - and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
Sure democracy is at stake or whatever, but Biden won’t save it and according to himself, its not that dire: “I’ll feel as long as I gave it my all and I did the good job as I know I can do; that’s what this is about.”
Again you fail to engage with the argument you’ve been presented. You are actively facilitating the greater evil by perpetuating this “lesser evilism”. You are now legitimising genocide. Of course we shouldn’t care because you’re not the one at risk right now 👍

How powerful do you think you will be when the power to make ‘the rules’ is handed over to folks without any scruples?

Considering the fact that I already think they’ve been handed over to folks like that? Indifferent. At least people like you gave a shit when Trump had cops beat the shit out of protesters, or took away women’s bodily autonomy, or did harmful stuff to the climate, or put migrants in cages, or did needless foreign aggression.
It sounds like Joe Biden should really do something about this Trump guy. Wild its only now trump is jumping in to the picture, wish we’d had several years to deal with him. Oh well.

Sigh.

Gasp. Wheeze. Kerplunk.

It doesn’t matter anyway. The ruling that granted that power has been kicked to a lower court for additional rulings. After that it bounces to the Supreme Court in October, and they will wait until after the election to issue their opinion.

Wow, did the parliamentarian do this? Or was it Manchin or Sinema this time? Oh bother this poor Biden just can’t catch a break, he’s just a smol bean, completely powerless! Of course he needs to be in power or big scary meanie trump will get in, and then he will use the presidential powers (that Biden can’t) to become dictator! Poor Biden can’t do anything! Especially not about the supreme court! What is he going to do? There’s literally no precedent for presidents dealing with a supreme court they disagree with!

and people here will mock people like me, and say “Well, they were just freaking out for no reason, democracy prevailed!” Which is great and funny for you all until it fucking doesn’t.

Democracy is dead already buddy, we’ve been trying to tell you for a while. And we won’t tell you that, we’ll just send you a picture of a pig with shit on its testicles.

like this

And also - vote absentee if you can. Don’t ‘waste’ your afternoon. And if you live in some bumfuck backwater that discourages voter participation, then you have extra reason to fucking vote.

Only if I vote for your guy though! Or it’s wasted! Just this once though! Just this once, don’t be stupid and waste your vote on someone who represents you, waste it on Joe Biden so libs like you can live without fear while the rest of us get beat to shit.
Also only do it if you live in a swing state! Otherwise it’s pointless!

You did a shit job at engaging with any argument I presented, you just repeated yourself. Cum and also blocked