New tagline dropped
“whoa whoa whoa. you’re telling me that all states are class dictatorships? I’m so confused, what’s class?”
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You’re telling me China ranks highly in education and yet the kids are running the show?
I don’t understand this comment
Dictatorship of the class
That wasn’t even the worst thing in that thread imo
“China is authoritarian because they don’t speak English.”
[English] isn’t widely available
“What do you mean you’re out of English? I’m a paying customer!”
Communism is when there’s no
. The less , the more communist it is.It must be so frightening to have a worldview where you don’t understand cause and effect.
I’m seeing that English is compulsory for 9th grade and above in China. Seems like they’re trying to make it available to me.
Damn rare China L
Getting pretty blatant about “authoritarian” just meaning “not subservient to the Anglosphere”
I misinterpreted that comment far more charitably than I should have, holy shit.
what the fuck is that claim as if they don’t teach it in the public curriculum? asking for rationality is impossible when they’re this stuck up their ass, I’m now convinced they say this shit knowing it’s gonna end up here
Well, this particular user started off by saying that they were gonna drop some “truth nukes” in order to get their “banned from .ml award” so you’re not wrong.
By that logic every country is a dictatorship of one class or another.
: marx nodding and smiling with his eyes wide like Jack Nicholson in The Departed :
Correct
Nailed it
broken clock
Well shucks looks like we got us a China fanboy, yeehaw, I’ll just wrangle up some links for y’all
shucks howdy folks i dunno what to tell y’all cowpokes but this here’s the truth y’all
I genuinely thought they were actual wikipedia pages, like talk pages or something for a second there.
Considering the sources they have on the “communist mass killings” page I would not have been surprised.
Tell’em we’re living under the Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie
Actually we can vote between 99% hitler and 101% hitler, so we’re not a dictatorship
Forget voting, even more importantly we can complain!
At each other!
Yeah I’m a chinese fanboy, I eagerly await the release of the next episode.
i wasnt a big fan of xi’s last album, that reggae stuff he threw in was just such a departure
sure, it’s not his strongest suit, but i’d rather he explore the artistic directions he finds interesting, than continuing to release the same old just because that’s what he thinks the fans want
If China is go great where is China2
China 2? Xi is already writing books about how to govern China 5.
chIna, chIIna
They never give a shit about the definitions of words, only that they win. A word will mean nothing and everything simultaneously if they think it lets them win an online argument.
Also, they always have that identical “I guess I triggered the
libsChina fanboys lol, look how mad you all are and I’m totally not mad which means I win.”:yea: same thread has some dumbass arguing “accelerationism” has many different definitions (meaning accelerationism means to make things happen faster). So many libs have started using the term recently, if I was a paranoid lib I’d be screaming about bot farms.
The bourgeois have been co-opting and watering down communist terminology since the 1800s, if words have no concrete meaning and everything is just vibes based, it’s impossible to actually communicate these ideas to people.
The amount of people that I’ve had to explain that “yes you can define any word to mean whatever you want, but when we are talking together then people assume the words you use are defined how we in common define them. This goes double for any academic term. So sure, you can say ‘socialism is when the government does stuff’ nobody is stopping you, but if you want to have an actual substantial conversation, then your insistence on personal definitions that break from the words commonly understood meaning, will make things incredibly difficult.” and they just piss their pants about it
Tbf, given the way America works and how people act. I didn’t get ML type communism for a long time because 1. No one provided sources and was very right winger in the way they talked about it “just belive me bro, go look it up for yourself” which I know there are a lot of liberals who don’t give a shit about facts, but “go look it up” in regards to communism history and theory is very dangerous with all the algos willing to shove bullshit in your face.
- The way it sounded, even if you read some of the passages of Marx. On the surface it seems like you are creating a circles where the old Proletariate becomes the new ruling class and then the next generation of proletariats will need to over throw. Lather, rinse, repeat. When I was first looking into it no one ever really explained to me at the time is that it’s not supposed to be vibe based and instead there are clear indicators when someone is hording money. And the current ruling class will face various levels of repercussions based on the level of atrocities that were committed.
But idk I will admit that I seemed to had stumble on a lot of bad luck dealing with the types at the time. And I’m very grateful to effort posters like Cowbee for FINALLY providing understanding. Cause it really bothers my autism that I could never really understand why any decent person would be a ML at the time given my piss poor understanding.
We do generally need to do a better job of recognizing when someone is genuinely curious and acting in good faith, and of responding in kind.
What really helped me understand was learning about the current state of affairs, ie bourgeois democracy and capitalism, then Marx and co really clicked as critiquing what our world is, and building off that critique, rather than just wish-casting a utopian future based on vibes
That was how I became an anarchist communist to start with.
Kinda same. Diving more into the history of socialist projects- and online spaces like here- brought me around to ML
On the surface it seems like you are creating a circles where the old Proletariate becomes the new ruling class and then the next generation of proletariats will need to over throw.
I don’t really understand how someone could come to this reading.
there are clear indicators when someone is hording money
This is generally not a fundamental issue in Marxism, though of course in any society with circulating currency, private individuals and entities disrupting the circulation is a problem.
I don’t really understand how someone could come to this reading.
it’s the standard bourgeois explanation of “the bad guys”. the required reading in bourgeois schools, the movies produced by bourgeois studios, they all push the idea of the starry-eyed “good guy” revolutionary who turns into the new evil because ???
But that’s still not “the proletariat” in any sense like was described in the quote. I am familiar with the tropes about autocrats. Whatever, moot point I guess.
That’s the biggest thing with anti-communist arguments, is they aren’t meant to make sense, they’re meant to get you scared and frightened so you stop thinking and just get bad vibes from any communist ideas and never examine them closely.
yeah but without a solid understanding of class, all you have is liberal “stalin bad” stuff
I had something wrote out and lemmy deleted it, so please excuse me if this doesn’t make as much sense or has an attitude because the website has annoyed me.
When I was first learning this, the people I found explanations from (given I like to go to the people I want to understand and listen to them instead of people telling about these people) and a lot of the ones I found were saying things that the ruling class would be under the working class. As if they would become the new working class while the old working class would then decide everything for them. It did not give me the impression that the point was to bring the ruling class back into the fold of the working class but to instead froce them to do the work current working class didn’t want to do as a form of punishment. Which led me to questions like, “Well, what happens when the old ruling class dies, and people are not around to do those jobs? Seems like you’re going to put the people you don’t like in those positions and not to long you are back into the same problem,” and I legitimately think that was the position of the places I was finding this information (reddit, youtube, even some IRL people) cause it didn’t take to much poking to find out that they were normally bigoted as well. Very “I want to get through the trap door and slam it shut on my way out” type of people.
Basically there are people out there who use Marxist words and theory to justify their bullshit opinions that they should get all the benefits of communism without actually having to do any of the work…which is really no different then any ruling class asshole if you think about it.
Yeah, that’s a common problem, online especially, where you get people who don’t understand Marxist theory, but co-opt Marxist terminology to basically just say “We should overthrow the king so I can become the new king.” not actually addressing any of the contradictions Marx brought up and clearly just wanting power or revenge for its own sake.
Exactly. It made my journey very confusing given my piss pore luck.
Not to be that person, but its “piss poor” not “piss pore”
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There is a difference between being the owning class and the ruling class. It is certainly the normal formulation of Marx and friends that the owning class would become subordinated to the proletariat, but that’s not because the proletariat no longer works and has the bourgeoisie as slaves (for one thing, those names would no longer apply, the sheer difference in number between the the groups so it would be literally impossible for a tiny number of slaves to make the vast majority of people, and other problems). The reason is because property relations cannot be productively dissolved overnight by fiat, so we need to have proletarian democracy, real democracy where capitalist control of the state and media can’t distort it into nonsense and false choice, so the people who work can guide society in the direction of property relations dissovling.
For sure, but in my eyes this situation is very different since the person in the screenshot links to an article that contradicts them. They haven’t even done the basic task of reading the thing they’re sharing, they just looked at the headline and never went further. I think another task we have as a society (in the west) is to break this weird prideful self-assured way most pseudointellectuals have of going about life, where they never ask questions, but only make assertions.
Oh yeah I was just adding with my weird experiences. There are people who you can’t reach.
Think that’s bad? Mao wanted FOUR dictatorships. They even put 4 small stars in the flag to represent them
It’s dictatorships all the way down! There’s a big star dictatorshipping over the four small dictatorships!
Every worker, a dictator of the board.
One for each of the Gang
“Why are you telling me to read theory, stop doing that!”
Might be one of the stupidest things about China I’ve ever read lmao
wow, a word I don’t know. Better not look up what it means or anything, its probably not important.
The rare take that gets both ultras and dengists mad
Actually, it makes ultras mad and Dengists proud.
Dengists are mad that that lib is using DotP to say they’re a scary authoritarian dictatorship like in the movies
i love this line of thought because you can break their brain by saying that north korea is a democracy because their official name is the peoples democratic republic.
“Eerrrrmmm actually the rule is if you have to put democratic in the name it doesn’t count”
