Organizations like the Yakuza, 'Ndrangheta, Cosa Nostra, the Irish Mafia, etc, are part of many countries, to bigger or smaller fashion.

But to someone from those countries, what do you think was the original/historical cause for such organizations to develop?

My country - Portugal - has some degree of presence of these organizations but, to my knowledge, we never developed our domestic version of a crime syndicate. And we are not a bunch of choir boys. Something just kept things from forming. And that intrigues me.

So, what is the understanding of someone from a country where the organizations exist?

  • Hossenfeffer@feddit.ukEnglish
    11·
    19 小时前

    Everywhere, probably. Here in the UK we have the Wombles. Everyone knows Great Uncle Bulgaria is the leader, but the police do nothing. I don’t think he’s ever been arrested even.

  • neidu3@sh.itjust.worksMEnglish
    7·
    23 小时前

    Probably yes, it exists in any country, but most are pretty low profile. Attention is bad for business.

    • Jolteon@lemmy.zip
      51·
      1 天前

      The question they’re trying to ask is: In your country, how much of the government does organized crime own?

  • crashex@crazypeople.onlineEnglish
    31·
    20 小时前

    Before it was fashionable to call ‘terrorists’ or ‘insurgents’ to organizations the ruling government doesn’t like, ‘organized crime’ would have been a common term applied to any organization posing as an alternative to said government.

    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.caEnglish
      1·
      18 小时前

      fashionable to call ‘terrorists’ or ‘insurgents’ to organizations the ruling government doesn’t like

      {citation needed}

  • The_v@lemmy.world
    15·
    1 天前

    Organized crime is an interesting topic. In my opinion it’s existence shows a disconnect of the needs of the people and their government/social structure. Every country has some amount of “organized crime”. There is no exception. What does differ is the size, power, and wealth of the criminal syndicate.

    The larger and more severe the disconnect between the people’s needs and government, the more extensive and structured these criminal organizations become.

    For example gangs often form in an regions where opportunity is limited or a group of people are being oppressed. Inner city gangs are a good example of this. They form as a form of protection and a chance for opportunity. These opportunities are usually supplying things that are illegal but still in demand.

    If government bans or fails to provide something with a very high demand (like prohibition of alcohol in the U.S. and just about everything in the Soviet Union) the criminal organizations grow in wealth and sophistication.

    The only effective way to stop these criminal organizations is fulfill the demand and provide other opportunities for the individuals. For example the U.S. legalized alcohol. This dramatically reduced income to criminal opportunity. Under FDR support structures, fair wages, education, and all sorts of opportunities were created (for whites). The opportunity for individual people through criminal activity declined and most of them left the criminal organizations. In darker skin colored groups where opportunity remained limited, criminal activity remained higher.

    Organized crime can be dramatically reduced by providing opportunities to all individuals.

    Alternatively a complete collapse and takeover by the criminal organizations like the Soviet Union to Russia is also a option.

  • yesman@lemmy.world
    792·
    2 天前

    In America, we have three kinds of organized crime. Executive, Legislative, and Judicial.

  • Denjin@feddit.uk
    68·
    2 天前

    Doesn’t every country have some degree of organised crime present?

    Like they may not have glamorous crime families like the Mafia but wherever there’s crime, there’s organised crime groups.

    • zombiebikini@lemmy.zip
      15·
      2 天前

      I would say yes. I couldn’t think of a country without organized crime. It doesn’t always have a fancy name and maybe it is very lowkey, but this I’d take as a sign of being well organized.

    • qyron@sopuli.xyzOP
      3·
      1 天前

      Organized crime, in my understanding, implies structure, reach and even some degree of a social facade to clear money and move interests. Not a group of individuals constantly on the crosshairs.

    • qyron@sopuli.xyzOP
      11·
      1 天前

      But do all have homegrown societies? My country, to my knowledge, does not nor has ever had such organizations. We started getting some degree of them when we had a large influx of eastern europe imigrants that were followed by criminal organizations but they don’t have enough footing here to become influent.

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 @pawb.socialEnglish
    23·
    2 天前

    Is there anywhere in the modern world that doesn’t have organized crime? Just because people ain’t being arrested for it doesn’t necessarily mean they don’t exist. It could mean they’re not being caught or own the law.

    • qyron@sopuli.xyzOP
      1·
      1 天前

      Organized crime, in my understanding, is not something that collapses with the death of a member or two or through a well placed intervention of authoritites. It has structure by itself, transcends generations, develops its culture, has a public, visible face, either for popular support or fear engineering.

    • Tiral@lemmy.world
      2·
      2 天前

      You’re right, it exists everywhere. Just because if isn’t Al LCapones everywhere, it exists.

    • CanadaPlus
      34·
      2 天前

      Vatican City. (I know, I know “the church counts”. Hur-hur, very funny Lemmy)

      Maybe a few Pacific island nations, just by virtue of there not being enough people to support it.

  • 20cello@lemmy.world
    14·
    2 天前

    I’m from Italy, organised crime flourish where the state doesn’t reach. Then they expand, just like corporations, infiltrating the political parties.