• TreadOnMe [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    I remember working at a photo development place and being asked by a Vietnam vet to develop some pictures that he had taken during the war. He warned me that the photos were disturbing and to make sure that not too many people saw them.

    What I saw was piles of heads, piles of hands, with GIs smiling and posing next to them. Bodies of children and the elderly strew across roads. Just the most horrific shit I had, and have to this day, ever seen. I did not confront him about it when I gave him his pictures back, just thanked him for the warning.

    There is no amount of suffering that the veterans of any American war (outside of WWII) can possibly suffer that will equate to even a fraction of the amount of damage they clearly caused and enjoyed causing. Americans are barbarians.

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      The comments under this post are also quite ridiculous. All of them are like “oh look at what the evil US government has forced our innocent soldiers to do”. As always, the most important voices are white americans and not the vietnamese that went through much worse

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        * flips chair around backwards and straddles it *

        Lemme tell you about a really cool guy named Jesus Christ!

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          😆

          From what I understand you can just go and say “sorry daddy i killed a bus of children” and the priest goes “its ok bro” and youre good for heaven???

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            As an ex-Catholic, that is not the way it works in Catholicism.

            There is no such thing as true absolution for confession of mortal sins. The only true way for absolution of mortal sins is through continuous good works, and even that does not guarantee your place in heaven. More than likely the best you can expect is that you will end up in purgatory, in continuous repentance until Judgement Day.

            That being said, one of the most common ways to gain this kind of absolution historically is through massive monetary donations to the Church, so let’s not give the Church too much credit here, but let’s also not flanderize it.

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                  No, that’s new nightmare fuel to me, lol. I’m just frustrated by religious people asserting that any dissatisfaction or frustration is a result of lacking their particular god. But yes, I was raised southern baptist. 😞 Hello! 👋

                • starweasel [it/its, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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                  not the person you originally asked but holy shit a fellow donut man rememberer?? hi! ive literally never found people outside of my specific homeschool cadre who remember this guy lol. did you also have to suffer through psalty the singing…hymnal? prayer book? whatever it was? 😅

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            Yeah that’s pretty much the Americanized Christian viewpoint and is why American fundies are a cult of the grand individual because “all is forgiven as long as I believe Jesus loves me and fuck everyone else”. At least the Catholics have down the repent and self pain part correctly (still doesn’t forgive them for being a pedophile shielding ring drapped in rosaries).

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          Confession for absolution of sins within Catholicism comes from the ideas of St Augustine. While Jesus Christ has forgiven all original sin in Earth through his sacrifice (supposedly), the absolution of sin in your life only comes from an accounting with God’s representatives and contrition for your actions.

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              I only get this because I’ve been listening to a lot of Esoterica at work. Hermes Trismegistus, Thrice-Great Hermes, is a sort of character invented by medieval occultists and treated as an author and founder of Hermetic mysticism. He’s also both Greek Hermes and Egyptian Thoth.

              Merkavah mysticism is something different but possibly related if you go way back.

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                Ah ok, thanks for the context. I take it he was also a figure to whom the medieval occultists directed their confessions and sought absolution from? I’m still not clear on what Maeve was implying with that comment, but that’s ok.

                When I see “merkava” I tend to think of Judaism and now of course the infamous Israeli tank, but that’s probably not relevant to the reference.

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              It’s just a blend of kabbalah lore (Hermetic and Jewish) https://lemmygrad.ml/post/12538409/8594703 and lore that’s arisen from Dylan’s All Along the Watchtower lyrics, as a result.

              It gets pretty deep and intricate, I’ve been interested and studying it for several years, as time and interest waxes and wanes, but if you’re inclined, here’s a crash course that almost scratches the surface:

              https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ__PGORcBKxbM4y3wcYSObaUsr4guYAn

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        Confession confers absolution because God has infinite love for us, as we are his children. However, much like a child must come to their father to confess of a mistake that they have made and be forgiven, so must we with God.

        At least according to St. Augustine. This whole thing was never originally a part of Christianity until he popularized the practice in North Africa.

      • Enjoyer_of_Games [comrade/them, he/him]@hexbear.net
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        Religion targets vunerable people for recruitment. People with overbearing guilt are emotionally vunerable and offering them some means to absolve themself within the framework of the religion is an effective strategy. The confession part can also provide a bit of leverage to the recipient of the confession which can be wielded as a kind of soft power by local priests or used as straight up blackmail material as the Church of Scientology does.

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        Because God forgives sins if you are truly remorseful and strive to correct your error, at least according to Catholic doctrine

        If you’re not actually sorry it doesn’t do shit

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        Mainly because it’s a sociopolitical tool, wielded against the masses rather than for the masses.

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    (directed @ reddit OP)

    Vietnam Veteran

    No, no. Don’t sugarcoat it. Imperial War on the Vietnamese People Veteran.

    Just because the mere name Vietnam is enough innuendo for your guilty conscience, doesn’t mean you get to slander the country’s name.

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    he felt bad for invading and killing innocent people you guys, can we stop being angry at him? :(