Yeah they’re turning Americans against data centers by describing them objectively, how insidious…
chatgpt is shitting on americans· how are people not supposed to turn on those grippers?
Easy to do when people don’t fucking want them, and more specifically, they do not add any value to ppls lives, they only take to away. If only we have reps who represented anything but their own self interests.
They absolutely do this but it doesn’t mean anti datacenter people are wrong. Russia, China, Iran all use amplification techniques to destabilize other countries. You don’t need a complex propaganda plan when you can just amplify every divisive topic and get brexit.
The profound xenophobia of westerners mean they don’t even hesitate to make assertions about “enemy” countries despite the fact they have zero evidence, not even bad evidence, other than their own gut feelings of hostility. What evidence do they have that china “absolutely attempts to turn Americans against Data centers”? None at all, but that doesn’t matter, it’s a negative accusation against a non western nation. What evidence do they have that Iran uses “amplification techniques” to destabilize the West? Well it just feels true, after all, they are coniving foreigners, and surely they must be responsible for the political issues in the West, as the West is too superior to be the source of its own problems.
You don’t need a complex propaganda plan when the U.S. government and corporations conspire daily for new ways to fuck us over. It’s not propaganda at that point.
Why not both? The word propaganda is a bit problematic as it encapsulates too much these days simply because our information landscape is much richer. It can be a valid issue that is amplified by bad actors and it’s still propaganda.
What makes it apparent imo is the “water use” discussions around data centers which frankly are so delulu that it reeks of artificial stimulation. If you’re not familiar there’s basically no water use issue with data center in any meaningful extent other than moving water and we solved moving water 2 millenia ago.
Because calling it propaganda is also propaganda. It’s just another distraction from the fact that a man with 34 felonies has not been sentenced, nobody from the Epstein files has been prosecuted and both Democratic and Republican politicians are more interested in supporting Israel’s genocide than serving the American people.
Why not both?
Great standard of evidence there: “even when I have to admit the cause of a problem in the West might not be Foreigners, it could also be foreigners as well!”
China didn’t attack Iran and send global oil prices sky high. China doesn’t bully my government into bad defence contracts.
I’m so tired of racist fear mongering about China. They aren’t a perfect country, but the suggestion of the United States judging any other nation right now is mind boggling.
China didn’t continually insist Iran was two weeks away from a nuclear weapon for five decades, nor did they bomb and kill the religious leader that expressly declared nuclear and chemical weapons are against God and Islam.
Believing American narratives at face value is an unhinged reality to live in.
Don’t forget 150 little girls on the first day of the “war”
America is the most propagandized place on Earth, after all.
They in fact made a law that makes it illegal to layoff workers specifically to replace them with ai
(China deff has done that second thing btw.)
Didn’t bomb Iran tho
(China deff has done that second thing btw.)
This a great example of how deeply ingrained racist anti-China fear mongering is in westerners: this person has zero evidence or idea if it’s true, but they’re just going to assert that it “definitely” is, based on nothing but their deep hatred of China.
Judging by their spelling, they’re not the sharpest spoon in the drawer.
Australia has no defence contracts with China. Partly because of the “alliance” with the United States.
When he says alliance, what he means is how Australia is paying the US to cuckold it about 2nd hand submarines it will never get, while also paying the US to gaslight Australia that they will get them as long as they continue letting the US cuckold Australia until that makes them respect them enough to then sell the 2nd hand submarines.
China hasn’t dropped a bomb in 50 years. How many countries has the US bombed in the last 10?
You don’t need to drop bombs to bully countries around you
What’s the bullying by China? Financial manipulation via the great belt?
I do acknowledge some of their neighbours have legitimate reasons to complain. e.g. Tibet. The Philippines.
That may all be bad but it’s not on the same scale as starting a war that affects the world.
Especially a war that’s so goddamn stupid, wasn’t necessary and is about to end in a embarassing loss.
My thoughts were mostly of Tibet and the other constant border disputes, but yes I can’t disagree with the assessment of the war in Iran.
Your also forgetting about some middle eastern country’s and a lot of African countrys, a few of them lost harbers and other inferstructure hubs and now act as there own when debts collapse and they repoed those places. Chinas not bombing people but they are definitely acting colonial, just they’re own version.
Show us your work.
https://africacenter.org/spotlight/china-africa-maritime-networks/
you people are brainwashed.
Source: it came to me in a dream
Source: Fucking Washington DC, lol
Answer the question, lol.
I never contested that america was bombing people you arragent dolt. They courced plenty of African and some middle East nations into bed defencive contract through rigged construction project that were purposly hard to pay off so China could repo the ports and building into military inferstructure.
What countries? Also you spell like a chud. I’ve never been called arrogant by someone who couldn’t even spell it. Maybe try turning on spellcheck if you want people to take you seriously.
https://africacenter.org/spotlight/china-africa-maritime-networks/
you people are brainwashed.
They courced plenty of African and some middle East nations into bed defencive contract through rigged construction project that were purposly hard to pay off so China could repo the ports and building into military inferstructure.
This never happened, and we can tell you’re bullshiting by the fact you can’t actually name a specific country, just a deliberately vague “African and middle eastern nations”.
Lol. It’s obviously a consortium of trans, immigrants and antifa that are behind it. While Michelle Obama and Soros are funding the operation.
You mean the well known male politician, Michelle Obama?
In a armless dress of all things!
/S
OpenAI is doing a much better job than China at getting people to hate AI.
Im not against data centers, that’s mostly where the internet runs from. Im against AI data centers though
Considering this, I’m even more against data centers 😁
A bunch of the anti-data center propaganda on social media doesn’t make this distinction and it makes it sound like they don’t know what tf they’re talking about, especially given that they’re posting it on a platform powered by data centers and pretty much every internet-based service they use goes through a data center. Even well known leftist accounts are doing this, and they need to get better about clarifying their message because the way they’re promoting it right now makes everyone associated with them look stupid
I worry this may be a real problem though because there is not any real distinction in the messaging.
I work in a small data center. Its a 50x100 ft or so room with a few dozen racks of servers in a non descript old telco building. Not a giant water and energy sucking monster.
Just put a sign up outside that says “Not for AI” or “These are porn servers not AI”
“Local PornHub CDN”
The rage against Data Centers must be because of filthy foreigners, it couldn’t possibly be because of how the 100% American billionaries and their bought and paid for 100% American politicians are imposing on everybody by hook and by crook something which for everybody but said billionaires is a net bad thing (since for everybody but those capturing the profits of Data Centers, the nasty side effects of them vastly exceed the minuscule benefits from them which are nothing more than a handful of new jobs per Data Center).
“Always blame foreigners” is a core practice American political discourse, quite independly of which side of the Power Duopoly one is aligned with, probably because it perfectly dovetails with the American Exceptionalism the locals are indictrinated in their whole lives.
*trillionaires
Because there is no Chinese campaign against data centers. China was simply pointing out the environmental and economic impacts data centers have on the areas around them.
Who is saying data centers are okay? They are not. And I do not even have any issue with LLM usage, yet I still recognize that data centers are incredibly resource-intensive and can have significant impacts on the communities that host them.
I think the predominant logic in the thread is that China trying to influence Americans against datacenters can’t be true because that could be an attempt to make a pro-datacenter argument, even though it’s not.
I think the logic is more noting that the pro-datacenter argument aligns with linking opposition to them to foreign actors.
Anti-China sentiment is extremely powerful to tap into, and the AI crowd absolutely is pulling out every stop to keep the bubble unpopped. Tapping into that energy for public opinion is the least surprising approach they could be taking.
I understand that it’s easy to believe someone could make this up to undermine anti-AI arguments. I don’t understand why it’s less easy to believe China would use social media to further their own goals - like everybody does. I mean, sometimes reality aligns with what somebody on the wrong team says.
Oh, the reason for that is the claimant here is OpenAI. That’s why there’s this credibility hurdle in people’s reactions.
Kevin O’Leary (Shark Tank) makes the same claim. He isn’t connected with OpenAI but is behind building a Utah datacenter, so he has no credibility either. The problem is, even if China really is doing this, nobody in the anti-AI community will believe it unless somebody points it out who is part of the community - just like with most other major issues. The Information Age has turned out to be a cluster of impenetrable echo chambers.
It’s crazy that the idea that you should actually present evidence to support the accusation against China doesn’t even occur to you.
Any of you read the article that OpenAI wrote? Here’s a quote: “The operation sought to exploit and amplify existing public concerns about energy prices and local impacts of data center development, but we found no evidence of meaningful breakout beyond its own activity .” So it’s less “China is making you hate data centers” and more “they tried but it didn’t work”.
More like “We tried to blame it on China but couldn’t find evidence to back up our accusations”
But we put the accusation in the title anyway, confident that no one will read anything else.
It turned out people didn’t need China to find reasons to hate our data centers.
This is valuable because it shows that China believes this is a wedge issue they can use. Doesn’t really matter to me if it works or not tbh, just that it aligns with their interests is concerning. It would be really interesting if we had info about what other topics China or Russia are investing time into and how they align with domestic political clusters.
Just brainlessly taking openAi at their word. And then just randomly adding Russia in their, out of the blue, because to the fascist westerner “Russia and China” is just a single undifferentiated horde of evil foreigners.
… You believe openAI, why?
“Our PS2 is so powerful Iraq is building WMDs with it!”
More BS pre-IPO marketing PR, look our tech is so dangerous and scary China is trying to shut it down.
Even though China is basically in the lead with open weight models that use less energy to run (MoE) and cost (probably way) less than a tenth as much to train for around 90%+ the effectiveness of frontier models.
the red luddite spectre very spooky oOOoooOo
they want to take your freedom slop
They’re taking away our freedom medislop to sell their own Pooh slop
Tap for spoiler
i’m neither from the usa or china. i hate their governments
I’m guessing the motive would for their AI to be in a better position
