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Hmm, if that’s what’s in the picture we might have had a bunch of those things around the house when I was growing up and I might be a federal criminal…
Oops a completely accidental accident happened where a van full of pesticide accidentally crashed head on into the tree and exploded it. Accidentally. Oh well, I guess the build is back on at least.
The kind of ecological terrorism I approve
Do this under the current administration and you’ll lose the endangered species act
They’ll be getting rid of that on general principles. But you might lose it a couple of weeks earlier
Are there any specific instructions out there for how to care for these in order to make sure they actually grow?
i mean republicans are protesting from thier small towns, and some blue states are partially trying to stop it. because these politicians likely see thier re-election chances become slim if they keep going forward with it. some states that is. the only ones that dont care already arnt up for re-election(Mills, whitmer). it works ina blue state , gop states are unlikely to care about it, since they are likely tobow by trump.
Lmao they don’t even care about humans. You think they’d care about beetles and berries??
Yeah I’m sure the guys on the ground would “accidentally” start the diggers before they were “aware” of the Beatles and berries.
Haha maybe under a normal president, but this one hates regulation and safety. He LOVES money though.
It’s pretty clear laws aren’t real anymore. Nothing will improve until these demons live in constant fear for their lives
Fear is temporary. Change is permanent.
And you think these assholes won’t just raze that stuff without a care in the world? Because they will. After that they’ll be sued which will end with a small slap on the hand, combined with “oh you!” and that’s it
It’ll relatively cost you more to buy that tree and plant it, than it’ll cost them to just ignore all that
Except no - starting elderberry shrubs is relatively easy. Not like scattering the berries on the ground, but sticking cuttings a couple inches into damp or wet ground in late fall works very well, with very good odds that they’ll be big enough to bear fruit in a year. It’s also very cheap if you have access to an existing tree.
Apparently you missed this in the research I’m sure you did before commenting on the cost, and strangely the people upvoting you seem to be making the same mistake. Probably AI’s fault.
They are definitely going to either remove the Endangered Species Act entirely or just slowly keep dropping species from the list as and when it becomes convenient honestly
They’re literally shooting people in the head in the street. If someone chained themselves to a tree to stop construction they’d just saw the person in half. Hasn’t been a single consequence yet
Ah, well in that case we should all just give up. Stop trying, people! It’s already over!
Oh you misunderstand, I’m saying shoot first
I think the word “relatively” in the previous comment is doing some heavy lifting.
If you are going to spend a few hours of your limited free time to plant the shrubs, even if the materials and transportation are free to you, compare that with the relative cost of a small environmental fine to a trillion dollar company building a billion dollar data center.
The people at the top might not even realize anything happened, if anything even does happen.
I guess the important thing is to treat hypothetical outcomes as certainties and base debates on them.
That’s my favourite statement of the day. I’m lucky I’d put my drink down or there’d be a mess everywhere.
Still doesn’t make him wrong. They will ignore it and receive little to no consequence. I also don’t understand the hostility, infact it fits the “erm actually” meme so well I suspect trolling.
Not sure what you mean by trolling but the hostility is toward the false expertise.
It’ll relatively cost you more to buy that tree and plant it, than it’ll cost them to just ignore all that
This is the unfortunate reality
No shit. This post is instructions on how to get an Executive Order named after you.
RIP to the Endangered Species Act
No chance the US government will forego money for their broligarchs because of environmental laws.
But if you really want to overwhelm someone’s property with an unkillable native plant, I’d have to put Virginia creeper forward as a candidate.
Get a few people. On one corner: bamboo. On another, kudzu. On a third, blackberries and mint. On a fourth, your creepers. Let the games begin.
Oh god, keep the bamboo and kudzu in their native environments. The ecosystem has been through enough!
Eh, ecosystems adapt. Most “invasive” species made their way to new lands on their own. The problem is when humans consciously introduce a new species with a purpose, knowing that it dominates against something the idiot human doesn’t like.
Ecosystems are quite adaptable. There are only really a few big rules to keep things going. Don’t get rid of the sole predator for a populous prey animal. Don’t introduce prey animals to an environment that reproduce faster than they can be eaten. Don’t plant clones, diversify genetics within a species(looking at you, orchards and tree farms).
Seems like we should add kudzu bugs and giant pandas to North America, and all will be well 😄
The bamboo is for the ruling class https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_torture
We’re doing this to save the ecosystem from the data centers, silly! Let’s goooo!
In order to save the ecosystem, you must be willing to kill the ecosystem!
Should add sunchokes/Jerusalem artichoke in there somewhere, as they are food. I don’t think kudzu is? Lets replace that one.
Sunchokes spread like crazy as long as they have full sun, and are super difficult to eradicate, but are thwarted by being planted in sunny clearings in densely wooded areas. They can’t spread into the shade.
Make the land difficult for development, but useful for the community!
Kudzu is actually edible. It can also be used to make clothing and baskets. It improves soil by fixing nitrogen (it’s a legume) and prevents erosion. It’s so prevalent in the US because of its usefulness in preventing erosion. It can be used for animal feed. Issue is that it out competes native species, not that it isn’t useful
Horseradish.
Oh no! Here comes Wisteria with the metal chain from the top rope!
But it looks so pretty!
It does, and it draws so many bumblebees. I skipped trimming ours for one season and in the fall I noticed it poking out the top of the 2nd story chimney, it had grown under the siding, ~40 feet (12.2m) in one spring/summer.
My asshole of a neighbor planted a line of bamboo right on our fence line, so now once a week I have to go to my side yard and dig up roots or they’ll choke out my ac unit within months.
If you dig down about 2 foot (or several inches lower than the lowest root you find) and install a rubber barrier that goes from the bottom of the trench to up above the soil, it wont be able to spread to you anymore :)
You could use brick, stone, or cement, but if any cracks exist or form it’ll eventually find the way through, where that’s significantly less likely with a solid sheet of rubber.
that bamboo is gonna be a clintcher
Maybe, but kudzu is no joke, either. Ask the entire eastern coast of the U.S.
When I was in Alabama, my whole life felt like it revolved around 1 rule:
“Don’t turn your back on the Kudzu.”
The law means nothing when lobbies of big corps can change it to their like, paying politicans as their spokespersons.
Neat idea… but I don’t think federal law is gonna stop the oligarchs under this administration.
It’s a good way of getting the protection removed…
Exactly this.
Yeah, the ship of legalism has long since sailed. It is sad to see how so many in the US has apparently not realised this yet. It is not about laws or the constitution or anything like that. They now strictly do shit because noone is stopping them, regardless of what it is.
I think the way it works now is they take it to court and get the judge to allow them to continue building while the court case works its way through the system and in 6 years when they determine it’s illegal the center has already been built for 5.
Under the shadow docket, probably.
They’d likely just rubber stamp an exemption and let them do what they want.
Watch them care, they’ll just bulldoze right over these
Except it’s only native to the central valley in California so if you’re anywhere else this is not going to have any effect.
I guess this person just didn’t look up its range or something? The species pictured there isn’t even native to CA.
Most endangered species have restricted ranges, which is part of what makes them endangered. So you’ll have to do the work to find out what might be present in your local area.
That said I did just hear they’re trying to build one in Roseville, CA which IS in the range of this species so guerrilla gardeners, if you happen to be in Roseville, go nuts.
Just plant some American chestnut. Ignore why such a wide ranged tree is endangered
For everyone who wants to know why it’s endangered (like i did): Because of a fungus that originally grew on the japanese chestnut variant (starting in the early 1900s), to which the american chestnut has no resistance - it is estimated that in in first half of that century, three to four billion tree died to that fungus. In the original geographic range of the American chestnut, only 4 mature trees remain. There are still some root systems that sprout saplings, but they get killed off by the fungus quickly. There are some enclaves in other areas that still have a few hundred, like in northern Michigan
