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If there is a “Jewish day Parade” I’ll be there, but specifically Israel is super problematic; don’t know how any sane person can support anymore
This. “Hey, instead of parading for the ethnicity that has been victim of discrimination and genocide for millenia, let’s parade for the white colonizers larping as said ethnicity to gain Victim Points™!”
I am genuinely curious who you believe is ethnically Jewish if Israel is white colonizers pretending to be Jewish? I hear somewhat frequently that there aren’t “real” Jews anymore because intermixing with Europeans (and other ethnicities) diluted their bloodline too much, and it feels not only doublethinky but almost eugenicist.
I think the bottom line is Israel is either a theocracy first or a eugenics project first.
Stuff like this shows in the past, at least, it was leaning toward the latter: https://www.christiancentury.org/news/african-hebrew-israelites-finally-see-legal-victory-against-israel-s-deportation-threats
Oh no doubt, it is both a theocracy and a racial supremacy, with lighter skinned Jewish supremacy to boot. My concern has been with the seeming erasure of Jewish ethnicity through conflation with White Supremacy as the big societal evil of our time.
It just skeeves me out and feels basically racist when people call Israel white European settler colonialism. Like only the evil European White Man could be so evil, so they obviously aren’t “real” Jews. It has the same energy as white supremacists not counting Jews as white, just flipped and repackaged. Maybe it’s just racial purity testing in general not sitting right with me, I don’t like it when either political side does it.
Why is there a fucking Israel Day Parade in NYC?
W h a t t h e f u c k ?
Judaism Day Parade, sure! Israel Day Parade? Fuck that!
Is there a “Canada Day” parade as well? That one would at least make sense given proximity.
Canaday. and i don’t know but it’s stupid and it shouldn’t be.
Canadian pride ✅
Canada pride 🚩🚩🚩
Not to be confused with Cannaday.
A can a day keeps the fascist away?
Fuck isreal
Israel is a uniquely evil entity that has lost its legitimacy as a nation state. Why on Earth would any sane human go to a parade for it?
lost its legitimacy
I’m genuinely curious to know at what point in history you think it had legitimacy.
Fair point.
Well, it’s a way for the population of Israel’s vassal state to show their love for their sovereign.
I like how people here have this delusional idea that sovereign legitimacy is based on morality rather than hard power. Countries exist solely because they have the means to exclusively control the territory they occupy. Sovereignty is not given, but taken. It’s why the Taliban rules Afghanistan however they want even though they have no legitimacy in the world.
If morality was the basis of sovereignty, we would have like maybe a dozen countries who would be worthy of being soverign.
Israel can go fuck themselves.
Having a parade for a country that has allowed itself to become what Israel has become does not make any sense.
israel no longer deserves any celebratory recognition. they have overstepped any justification they had in avenging the hamas raid
They were like this as far back as the 1960s. We’ve always known.
Since its very inception. I.e., the 40s. And before its inception the people that were fighting for even getting Israel off the ground were bombing places, and organizing massacres of civilians.
Zionists have been colonizing Palestine since the late 1800s; the only difference between that and its so-called inception in the 40s are aid and recognition from western governments.
Independent reporters say there is ample proof the attack was a false-flag. The IDF is full of psychotic assholes, It wouldn’t surprise me a bit that they’d kill their own people.
they already do and did… the Harambe directive
A lot of those reports are nonsense. There’s solid evidence that several dozen, maybe a hundred at most, people were killed by friendly fire, which tends to get exaggerated to “every single victim at the Nova festival was killed by helicopter strafing under the Hannibal Directive.” Neither side anticipated how easy the siege would be to break, and the resulting undisciplined bloodbath isn’t out of line with similar anticolonial revolts throughout history. I don’t think there’s any reason to jump to conspiracy theories to explain the results of the Israeli government getting lost in its militaristic hubris and dehumanization of Palestinians.
It doesn’t even matter though. That festival was taking place on land that was stolen from Palestinians not long before. It was not their land to be festive on. The people who moved there knew exactly what they were doing and frankly had it coming.
Israel was always a genocidal project, that’s what settler-colonialism is.
There’s no more successful White Supremacist project in the World, which is probably why it’s so beloved by most of Europe’s as well as the American political classes.
What do you mean “no longer”? The whole country is founded on the ethnic cleansing of 700000 Palestinians. They were massacring entire villages in the 40s! When in the fuck was that ever deserving of a fucking parade? What the fuck?
https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide
Read this article. This is what Israeli genocide scholars had to say about the genocide less than a week after october 7th. It was already clear then and there that what Israel was doing was a genocide. Was the genocide justified then? When did it stop being justified? Two months later when South Africa launched its ICJ court case against Israel for committing a genocide, complete with about 100 pages of damning evidence of what Israel had been doing for the past two months? From when to when do you, personally, think the genocide was justified?
They never deserved it. The Israel project has been stealing land from Palestinians since the late 1800s. It was only during / after WW2 that they began to receive co-signs from western governments, hence the misnomer that Israel was founded as a response to WW2.
I think the funniest part of this is I wandered over to the conservative areas of the internet to see the reaction and they’re fighting each other on how to feel about this. They all hate Mamdani, but half are as anti-Israel and “America first” that they’re asking why there’s an Israel Day parade and screaming at the pro-Israel groups that are mad at Mamdani for not going.
If nothing else, him doing this has given a fun show.
TBF the lunatics have a point - why the fuck is there an Israel day?! Not American so first I’ve heard of this.
It’s just an NYC thing, not American, as they have one of the densest Jewish populations in the US. I’d never heard of it either
There’s events for various cultures and ethnicities, the St. Patty’s day parade (for one example) has been going longer then the U.S. has existed as a country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Parades_in_New_York_City
Why not? The greatest thing about America is that it is a cultural melting pot where we all get to celebrate and share our cultures with each other. We have clearly lost sight of that these days with the fascist coup, but it’s still in our nation’s DNA.
Celebrating one’s culture can be wonderful. Celebrating Jewish heritage is perfectly fine.
Celebrating Israel is not celebrating Jewish heritage. Israel is an evil nation that not only commits attrocities, but fuels violent anti-Western extremists at the same time.
I’m of mixed descent but if I had an offficial any of those countries day that politicians were expected to go to I wouldn’t like that. I don’t even like canada day. I don’t like any country day.
[insert culture here] market and festival type events are great though I like traditional food, dance and crafts, etc. Celebrate the people not the country, and celebrate the culture only if it doesn’t involve killing civilians.
The only thing in your nation’s DNA is war, imperialism and racism.
That’s pretty reductionist.
“Might makes right” and White Supremacy are literally the values on top of which the US was created.
Just ask Native Americans.
The first one definitelly carries on very openly to this day (though nowadays it’s played a lot more with the power of money rather than outright use of force) whilst the second might seem to have gone away but judging by what’s being done now by the President elected by most Americans, clearly it did not, plus even the other bunch of the power duopoly that rules America were fine with that shit, though only abroad rather than home.
I mean, really, I’m trying to come up with values others than those that are true across America and I can’t think of any. Some States and even cities have certain highly celebrated values, sure, but America as a whole, not really. Maybe Jingoism?
Oh buhu
Israel has no right to exist
Let alone a fucking parade
Israel should be dissolved and returned to the Palestinians. It’s Palestine.
The current population of wrongfully placed settlers can fuck off and move somewhere else.
Y’all can figure it out, after all you’re the fiercest and most adaptive people in the world, right?
Not to mention you’re narcissistic enough to believe you’re chosen by God over all other human beings on Earth.
Judaism is a fascinating faith but Zionism and by extension the entire failed experiment that has been known as Israel is just a disgusting warped off shoot that needs to be extinguished.
As a non new yorker, why is there a israel day parade in the first place?
IIRC there’s either more Jews in NYC than in Israel, or it’s the place with most jew (except Israel). So it kinda makes sense. Just like there’s a lot of Cubans in Miami. They probably have cuba-related parties too.
But judaism =/= zionism. Norman Finkelstein lives in New York. I assure you he also does not attend this parade.
Also there is literally an entire section within Judaism who believe for religious reasons that Israel should not exist.
I know. But just based on numbers, if there are a lot of Jewish people, there’s probably lots of Zionists.
Even if just 10% of NYC Jews are Zionists, that’s a lot of Zionists.
Fair point, I understand and agree. But I’m also never ever going to pass up on an opportunity to make the distinction between zionism and judaism explicit.
Does NYC organise parades for the Democratic Party or the Republican Party?
Because that would be the equivalent of organising parades to celebreate Zionism because there’s a lot of Zionists in NYC.
You may not like Israel. But it’s still a country. Immigrants making parades of their countries is normal when a city has a big population of said country.
Usually those parades are organized by the immigrants though, and just receive the help/blessing of the city. Idk if this one is organized by NYC or by the Jews.
Immigrants celebrating their country of origin is very different from political parties doing it.
You’re making me sound like I support Israel, I don’t. But it should be up to NYC and its population whether they should support this parade. Whether people outside NYC like Israel or not shouldn’t matter.
For example my city is very pro-palestine. So there are pro-palestine parades/protests and no pro-israel ones.
Otherwise, there would be no country-parades. Since there is no country that isn’t hated by some people.
I don’t like the actions of the State of Israel or the Apartheid elements in its Constitution. If it wasn’t for that I wouldn’t care about them either way since it would be just another normal country.
As for the rest, your argument fails miserably because, well, the core things which you imply are false:
- Most Jews living in NYC are not immigrants.
- Israel is not the country of origin of most Jews in NYC, quite the opposite - it’s a nation that aims for all Jews to go live there.
In fact the only way of twisting the objective reality to fit that idea that Jews in NYC are Israeli Immigrants it’s through the Zionist ideological view that all Jews are inherently Israeli, (an “interesting” take for New Yorkers given that part of the Jewish Community living in New York activelly believes for religious reasons that Israel should not exist).
So either way you’re either massivelly distorting the truth to build an “argument” on those falsehoods, in which case that’s all bullshit OR you genuinelly believe the Zionist (and very anti-semitic) idea that all Jews are not citizens of anywhere else but Israel (hence those in NYC are immigrants from Israel) in which case you’re making my point that the parade is for the political ideology of Zionism.
Its an American sponsored colony.
Are they celebrating stealing land from and murdering the neighbors?
Yes
They didn’t call it the “America day parade”
Surely the Israel-American Brotherhood is founded on the shared national trait of being a country created and grown by white colonialists stealing the land and mass murdering the people who lived there before.
Probably all the raping of people from “vermin” etnicities.
It’s very much an Israeli thing to do - they’ve had several demonstrations over there defending their right to do it and have even paraded on TV and celebrated various such rapists.
Hey now. Don’t you diss my bro Israel “IZ” Kamakawiwoʻole, author of hit song “Sonewhere over the Rainbow”
What are you going to tell me about this ANTI SEMITE next? He DOESNT Condone Raping Children? SHAMEFUL!
-NY Times!
non stop Ws
How soon will someone complaining about “greedy Jews” will call him an antisemite for it?
