that’s it. nothing more to really add to it. it’s quite simple.
MOTION TO MAKE A RULE THAT USING ALL CAPS IS AGAINST THE RULES
OVERRULED
The way to hell is paved with good intensions…
The current proposal is not specific enough: With your proposal every post effectively requires an artist signature. There will always be some valid reason why there is none. Also who should check/enforce this? The single non-existing mod? xD
Keep it simpler and make a rule that says: Content created by somebody else requires attribution.
Attribution could be an artist signature in the comic, the name of the artist in the description or a link to the original source in a comment.
This comment alone should qualify you to become the second non-existing mod
If I were to indulge in pedantry, the rule would be against cropping signatures, not requiring they exist. If it’s unsigned then there’s nothing to crop. I like your phrasing much better though, require attribution if you have it.
Sensible. Updoots all the way
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If there is no signature to begin with it cannot be cropped out
You also need some way to validate that its not interface specific. The amount of threads that ive been in that have had people complaining that the artist name was cropped, but in my app (voyager) ive been able to see the whole image, is too damn high.
On other hand there are those who say they intentionally removed them because they don’t like them.
But either way if interface cutting it off would be easy to show for the mods or others I thread
seems like the answer in that situation would be to ban those posters.
Exactly, but my guess is that poster is one of the main reasons for this rule change request
COUNTER-PROPOSAL: CROPPING THE ARTIST’S SIGNATURE IS NOW MANDATORY.
I am in favour.
Aye
Here here
FYI it’s “hear hear”
It’s:
Where? Where??
There! There!!
If there’s no conveniently available version with the artist credit in the image, a link to the artist’s page in the post body I think would suffice.
A good number of strips will be pre-cropped, or the equivalent. So what you’d really want when the signature’s missing is to have the poster do reverse-image as necessary so as to identify the creator, making sure to include that information.
There’s also the fact that doubtless there will be posters ignoring such a rule / guideline, ideally necessitating mod intervention. Meanwhile, the one and only mod looks like they haven’t been active in a month.
¯\(ツ)/¯
having a rule tells people “hey we want attribution in the strip so get those versions”
Are there ways this could be implemented though that would not punish people who accidentally posted the wrong one though. You have a good idea, but we also have very few contributors on Lemmy and we don’t want to discourage that either.
i mean we don’t have to make it a bannable offense, we just have to say “hey, go find the original if you can”. it’s a pretty relaxed community right?
sounds like the approach I’d appreciate.
Also, than you for the mod work.
someone’s gotta step up
Unlike Reddit, it’s possible to edit the link a post links to after the fact, so it’s possible to swap in an uncropped link later instead of just removing the post.
I’d be in favor of that. Not an instant ban rule but more of a “No link provided, please use TinEye or something to find the original and update your post”
This is the key. If someone shares something that may have the attribution missing or is too jpg, the post link can be edited to the better version.
If users are posting too many comics that are missing attribution without following through to update post links to versions with them, then they’ll get the book thrown at them and won’t be allowed to post anymore.
Here’s an idea: add easily accessible links so that even those less technologically inclined can easily reverse image search. Since many younger users are moving to Lemmy, they might not fully understand all the rules you’re trying to enforce.
This is A. Good. Point.
If i actually lose my mind and agree to mod this sub in a few months i’m saving this so i can come back to it, I have to look up how to reverse image search every damn time. And one of my first jobs was working IT building computers and programming bullshit dammit I’m not completely tech naive, just stuck in windows 7 because fuck you microsoft.
anyways, thank you Rusty, I am making you Honorary Something. Whatever it is, whenever we think of it, you are it. That was a great idea.There’s a great addon for Firefox, ‘Search by Image’, which can open reverse search engines straight from the context menu. Not very useful for those who aren’t chronically online, of course.
Also, of all the search engines, Yandex is great at finding larger image sizes which are typically the originals (or upscales or poor crops). Afaik Tineye stopped updating years ago.
If it makes you feel any better, my laptop is still on Windows 7 lol. 🫡
So is my airgapped backup
Also, if you like the strip and have the time, help the person out and put up a signature or post the original with a signature, while reminding them that they should have posted a signature as well. These communities are a team effort.
True. Assuming they pay any attention to that one out of an unusually long list of sidebar rules. That doesn’t change the mod situation, either, and you’d need a mod to actually add that rule.
Images with the creator’s name cropped shouldn’t be shared anyway, plus they’re usually deep-fried and look like a blurry mess. People should be looking for originals to replace the crappy quality ones.
Well, woulda-coulda-shoulda. It’s nice that people are willing to make suggestions and discuss the issue, but in cases like this, it actually needs someone to join the mod team here and then apply their vigilance on an ongoing basis towards stuff that broke the rules.
There are some good suggestions in the comments, like providing a link on how to reverse image search to the sidebar to make it easier to find originals. It would be best if it were something that was encouraged rather than strictly enforced.
For Firefox, there’s a super-handy extension that lets you right-click on an image and then gives you a choice of eight different services (or all of them) to reverse-image search. I use it all the time.
Regardless, even going in the low-maintenance ‘suggestion, not a hard guideline’ route would require an active mod here to at the very least add the suggestion to the sidebar. Currently, there isn’t one, seemingly. This gets in to sort of a Meta issue about communities that get abandoned to some extent. It’s a real problem across the Fediverse, and I don’t believe enough collective focus is happening to deal with the issue.
If you look at this thread, it’s full of people saying, “yeah, let’s do this!” and “cool, sounds good!” but nobody in a position to act is effectively listening. This is what it looks like when there’s a bunch of chatter and nothing actually happens, sort of like a loud protest that doesn’t actually change anything.
Yeah, if there’s no active mod it’s a non-starter. But people don’t have any reason to know that’s the case. Considering how relatively big this community is (for Lemmy) it’s impressive it functions without a human mod as well as it does.
But people don’t have any reason to know that’s the case.
They can do the same thing I did, which was to click on the one mod here and see their activity history?
it’s impressive it functions without a human mod as well as it does.
I think that’s what naturally tends to happen when a community hits a critical mass of subscribers, combined with a highly popular subject. Also, this doesn’t strike me as a /c with much potential for controversy. *shrug*
This is where I land as well. I fully support giving creators their credit, but this seems like a lot of red tape for very little payoff.
So what you’d really want when the signature’s missing is to have the poster do reverse-image […]
Nah, they can just not perpetuate stolen art. Keep it easy.
Sure, wave your magic wand and make that happen.
Sir, this is a post about discussing posting rules?
Yeah, and I’m implying that things aren’t going to happen just by wishful thinking.
It is possible to add more mods. Maybe OP is interested.
I think that’s the most practical solution here, and something I was hoping OP would realise at some point. Be the change, and all that.
i have reasons i can’t mod, especially right now, but maybe in a few months.
Don’t know if I get a vote here, but I am strongly in favour — especially as you’ve said that it’s not necessarily going to be a bannable offence. I think that rules can serve as a valuable statement of intention — like virtue signalling, except without the negative connotations of that term
everyone gets a vote and no one gets a vote. I just wanted to spark a discussion and get consensus
yeah fair, unless if it’s stonetoss
fair but they banned
Doesn’t say so in rules
Might even be funnier if it’s a completely distorted version of his comic but it still has his signature
i mean okay but if i decide to mod i reserve the right to be a petty tyrant around pebblespew comics
you can’t second your own motion stop talking to yourself
my only regret is that i have boneitis
i don’t regret my boneitis
I find that it’s pretty rare anyone here would do it intentionally. Usually that comes from people just resharing something they found on Instagram or somewhere.
I agree people should try to find the original author and post the original in that case. But I think that should be called out instead.
Edit: This comment is redundant, but oh well
no worries. I both like and want to hear your opinion
I’m not a regular here, but this feels perfectly sensible
honestly this is mostly because i’m about to bike out and help my comic book buddy with his taxes. but c’mon people, be respectful to the artists.
I support this.
this ain’t my art. this is your art.
also: LIGHT MODE AAA
