• greenbelt@lemy.lol
    1·
    3 小时前

    The only counter to this: Sousveillance.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousveillance

    Inverse surveillance

    Related Batman quotes:

    Batman movie dialouge

    from IMDB, Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox voices the consternation perfectly:

    Batman: [seeing the wall of monitors for the first time at the Applied Sciences division in Wayne Enterprises] Beautiful, isn’t it?

    Lucius Fox: Beautiful… unethical… dangerous. You’ve turned every cellphone in Gotham into a microphone.

    Batman: And a high-frequency generator-receiver.

    Lucius Fox: You took my sonar concept and applied it to every phone in the city. With half the city feeding you sonar, you can image all of Gotham. This is wrong.

    Batman: I’ve gotta find this man, Lucius.

    Lucius Fox: At what cost?

    Batman: The database is null-key encrypted. It can only be accessed by one person.

    Lucius Fox: This is too much power for one person.

    Batman: That’s why I gave it to you. Only you can use it.

    Lucius Fox: Spying on 30 million people isn’t part of my job description.

  • audaxdreik@pawb.socialEnglish
    1121·
    3 天前

    “since launch, more than a dog a day has been reunited with their family”

    Yeah, because cats know how to evade the fascist state. All Cats Are Beautiful …

  • unknown@sh.itjust.works
    96·
    2 天前

    Ad Company: How do we sell mass surveillance… By helping sad kids and cute puppies. Keep it short so people don’t have time to think to hard about it.

    • foggenbooty@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13·
      3 天前

      Yup. I wouldn’t put it past the average person to see this and be happy. It hits the feel goods and for people who aren’t already attuned to digital privacy concerns they likely aren’t going to extrapolate the end game.

      Privacy has always been a slippery slope issue which makes it very difficult to explain to people without sounding like a conspiracy theorist. Only when it’s too late and people are negatively impacted does it become obvious, and by then it’s too late.

      Another area that isn’t getting enough attention is Amazon Sidewalk. They’re actively building out a network so these devices can share information (albeit limited) with each other even if you deny them internet access. Again, the tech is cool, but the possibilities are concerning.

      As a kid I used to love tech and I remember reading CES coverage with anticipation and wonder. When Google Glass was demo’d I thought it was the coolest thing. Now there’s no way I’d voluntarily put AR glasses that weren’t FOSS on my face.

      • unknown@sh.itjust.works
        3·
        2 天前

        This is 100% the experience I have had. Could not vibe harder with this.

        Most of the time people have paid a premium for their new watch, camera, door bell, service and you try to point out that it connecting to the cloud or AI is overly complicated and not required for the result they are so happy about. You go on to say that the company is probably selling, exploiting and using that data to minipulating you… But you just come off as unhinged.

        There is nothing good about america atm the only benifit is that there are some really good examples of why “I’ve got nothing to hide” is deeply flawed. This helps cut through to normal people.

  • tomiant@piefed.socialEnglish
    65·
    3 天前

    They’re not only rolling out the total surveillance society- they are making people pay for it and subscribe to monthly fees for the privilege.

    • 4am@lemmy.zip
      28·
      3 天前

      This isn’t new. These companies have been doing this for a long long time. They need to be stopped.

      • Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world
        14·
        3 天前

        First it was subpoenas, then it was complying with law enforcement requests. I think the new development is that just anyone can do it.

          • PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca
            101·
            3 天前

            What part of this is humour? America has several death camps at the moment. People are actively disappearing from the system and can no longer be looked up. No one in the entire regime is able to locate them.

            What do you personally think happened to them?

            • Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world
              4·
              3 天前

              It’s a combination of two things, the subversion of expectation, which is a common device in jokes, and the criticism of authority, which is another, similarly common, one.

              In my comment, I’m pointing out that these cameras are a risk for even broader abuses than just subpoenas, and compliance with law enforcement requests under the guise of finding lost family members.

              The responder humorously twists my words to claim that it’s not a problem because the lost family members have already been swept up in an indiscriminate drag net, such that the cameras can not find them.

              The joke is on the DHS, and not it’s victims.

      • criticon@lemmy.ca
        7·
        3 天前

        They already partnered with flock last year, the same flock that shares with “law” enforcement

        • Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world
          5·
          3 天前

          I was trying to point out that this feature may be even worse than that because it doesn’t even require a formal law enforcement request. If this becomes what it looks like, even private contractors will be able to access it without raising any alarms, further lowering the bar.

      • hector@lemmy.today
        7·
        3 天前

        Yes, organized crime loses their marks they are shaking down, luckily if they are up to date on their ring subscription…

    • bloubz@lemmygrad.ml
      6·
      3 天前

      It’s not that it will be abused. It means this private company already does much more with it, about you. Oh wait, not a private company, one of the worst companies of all time

    • partofthevoice@lemmy.zip
      10·
      3 天前

      Should we buy ring nodes and feed them poisoned video feed?

      Benn Jordan was recently doing work on poisoned audio files, making it so models are damaged by ingesting his music. I believe the same should be possible with video streams.

      They probably won’t be training on the poisoned nodes, but they sure as hell will be wasting power on them. That makes it more expensive to do this stuff, no?

      • JustARegularNerd@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        10·
        3 天前

        For me personally, I wouldn’t consider it worth the risk. You still have to make an Amazon account, hand over your personal information, let their cameras onto your network (of course, you can VLAN them) and… how many people are gonna do this to make it effective?

        It just seems playing right into their hands, I’d rather outright boycott anything Amazon (I understand easier for some than others) than waste my time, money and effort into protecting my personal info against a user hostile company.

        • partofthevoice@lemmy.zip
          4·
          3 天前

          I agree, that’s the most practical approach and I wouldn’t blame anyone for choosing it. For me personally, though, I’m a little pissed off that these companies get to have such inhostile environment for their shenanigans. It’s like a playground for them, where they get to happily A|B test the various surveillance state softwares that will eventually get sold to oppressive regimes (just like Flock). I’m at a point where I’m willing to spend a not-so-insignificant portion of my time, energy, and know-how on inventing a little bit more friction for them. It shouldn’t be so easy for them to fuck us. They didn’t even offer dinner, first.

  • tomatolung@lemmy.world
    36·
    3 天前

    I wonder how hard it would be to rework this advertisements to be what it’s actually used for:

    • Immigrants spotted! Administrative warrant issued, ICE deployed!
    • Automatic License Plate Recognition with Flock (now a partner), found a “criminal”. Administrative warrant issued, ICE deployed!
    • etc.
  • Chulk@lemmy.mlEnglish
    32·
    3 天前

    The next step they’ll take is hooking into the amber alert system to find missing kids. Then, it will be finding “criminals,” which applies to basically everyone thanks to NPSM-7.

    The “If I’ve got nothing to hide, why should I care” argument has predictably aged like sour milk.

    • Chulk@lemmy.mlEnglish
      11·
      3 天前

      The fun part is that they’re already at the “criminals” stage and we have been for a while. The marketing team is just backing into it and manufacturing consent.

    • eldavi@lemmy.mlEnglish
      3·
      3 天前

      The “If I’ve got nothing to hide, why should I care” argument has predictably aged like sour milk.

      has it? the kind of critical thought that easily dispels this fallacy isn’t being applied right now on a global scale as evidenced by the fact that people are blaming russia for the epstein illuminati ring.

      • Chulk@lemmy.mlEnglish
        4·
        3 天前

        Not sure that I’m following/understanding. I’m saying that skeptics of the “if I’ve got nothing to hide” argument were correct. You do have something to hide if the people in power suddenly change the definition of what’s legal.

        • eldavi@lemmy.mlEnglish
          2·
          3 天前

          the “i have nothing to hide” argument is easily dispelled by several avenues of critical thought; including the one your comment points out.

          this sort of critical thought is not being applied to the russia/epstein narrative that’s taking hold on american politics right now.

    • SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today
      12·
      2 天前

      Based on what I’ve seen, it is so so so much worse than you think.
      I honestly don’t think the majority of those who see this ad will even consider negative uses of this system.

      And if you are thinking ‘how can people be that stupid’, I will remind you that college professors are having to change their curriculums because many of their students can’t read.

      So yes, it’s the day after the super bowl and I am quite sure the Gestapo cameras are flying off the shelves in the Amazon fulfillment centers.

    • ByteOnBikes@discuss.online
      10·
      2 天前

      Yes.

      Nextdoor is full of morons sharing their ring videos and then going, “Well my videos aren’t being shared online to Amazon because I checked the ‘privacy’ settings.”

    • yucandu@lemmy.world
      7·
      3 天前

      Ok but you can just rewrite this meme with your deauth packets on the left side and Wifi 6 on the right side.

      • NOPper@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        2·
        3 天前

        So still effective right now. I wardrobe as a hobby when I get bored and there’s very few APs ready for this. We’ve got a few years.

          • NOPper@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            2·
            2 天前

            I did, but that’s hilarious so I’m gonna keep it.

            I commute and travel a good amount, it gives be something interesting to do 🤷‍♂️

  • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
    16·
    3 天前

    I hate it so much that these dystopian devices are all advertised as a positive thing and, worst of all, that there are millions of dumbasses going “well that sounds like a great idea!”

    • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
      4·
      2 天前

      It’s ads like this that make people think it’s really great, without ever considering the surveillance aspect. Probably some people who now want to get Ring cameras, just so they can help track down lost dogs. Instead, it will be used to hunt down escaping humans.