• Wilco@lemmy.zip
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    Laws only work if there is a penalty for breaking them. Example: it is against the law not to release the Epstien files … but what is the penalty for breaking that law? Nothing was written in. The same for ICE, no one is checking them and they are staying out of Castle Law states.

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      Ah, the classic, “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” -Francis M. Wilhoit

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    Wow look at those big bois. I bet they go home, scream at their kids, then beat their wife and dog.

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    This is very satisfying in a schadenfreude kind of way. I have been lectured to by Americans and those influenced by them for decades about the importance of their constitutional freedoms to shoot children and spread hate speech.

    Some liberal western democracies don’t even have a codified constitution and still have better human rights and fairer government than the USA. Without a well functioning representative democracy with preferential or proportional voting, concentrating enormous executive power in a single tyrant without strong protections was always obviously exploitable.

    I think a lot of them are still living in denial and think the good guys are going to come in and defend the constitution at the last minute. Hope they are right. It is one hell of a gamble for them and the rest of us.

  • zen@lemmy.zip
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    You guys haven’t really had rights for a while, by the sounds of it.

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      Here is the thing, we did but rights can go away just that fast. The people in charge of this mess have been making the exact argument that you have. That it’s been a slippery slope.

      The speed and force that our rights have been eliminated has been quick. There have been huge structural problems. But there were MANY properly functioning public servants that protected citizens rights as their job.

      It’s been fast. There were the mass firings as part of Doge, the firing of career servants at the FBI and department of justice . That is all it took for the the expansion of ICE.

      Its the mass of rank and file civil servants that preserve the functioning of democracy. This has been subverted so quickly most people don’t understand what has already happened.

    • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
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      Black people been saying. everyone else just refuses to listen

      (except for native americans, they been saying it the longest, they just don’t have the presence of messaging because they’ve been pushed so far into the margins)

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      Naw but we got Mountain Dew buckets, cheeseburgers, and AR-15s in high school! Wooohooo!!! Thank Jesus I’m not a pinko Commie!!!

  • 🍉 Albert 🍉@lemmy.world
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    The main question is how legal would it be to shoot at masked armed gang breaking into your home to kidnap you and your family without any judicial warrant.

    Because that is exactly what the 2nd amendment is for

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      “Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6”

      I mean FFS, at this point ICE might kill you just for fun.

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        Immigration proceedings aren’t before a full court with a jury. It’s an administrative proceeding. So, there isn’t even the 12.

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    It isn’t legal, and the Constitution expliclty forbids this.

    Welcome to fascism, did you think for some reason … words written on paper would… restrain them or matter in anyway?

    They are fascists.

    Their whole thing is … truth doesn’t exist, language is a weapon, not a means of reaching a mutual understanding.

    They only understand one thing, and that is violent force, and the physical and societal logistics that make it possible.

    If your game plan for resisting fascists is ‘but that’s illegal!’, you’ve already lost.

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      It’s an ideology that has proven to resort to violence and genocide rather than admit fault, let alone wrongdoing.

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    Laws are only laws when they’re enforced. After decades of training law enforcement to hate and fear the average citizen, they don’t care to enforce laws that exist to protect those citizens.

    And don’t tell me it’s always been that way. It’s a matter of degrees and there’s been a effort for decades to normalize police violence. It was bad, but it’s been engineered to be worse.

  • DylanMc6 [any, any]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    The Constitution also gives Congress the right to a constitutional convention. This means that it can be possible for the US to become socialist by way of constitutional reform. Seriously!

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    You’re forgetting the “Nobody is going to stop me” exemption. The constitution is just a piece of paper if nobody is willing to defend it.

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    The law only exists so far as it is enforced. Who will enforce the law against the state? Political power grows out the barrel of a gun.