Support among House Democrats for impeaching Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem is skyrocketing, nearly doubling in the last week to 100 co-sponsors.
That’s an unprecedented level of support for an impeachment effort during President Trump’s second term, with lawmakers who have bristled at the topic in the past now warming to the idea.
Kelly is urging Republicans to get on board with her efforts — even as no GOP lawmaker has come close to expressing support for Noem’s impeachment.
“As Secretary Noem continues to lie, obstruct Congress, and violate people’s civil rights, the support for her impeachment only grows,” she said.
It seems a little silly to me that they are talking about impeaching her, but not also Trump. Like who do they think she will be replaced with? My bet is someone worse. If Trump didn’t want what ICE is doing they wouldn’t be doing it.
Third time’s the charm!
That’s simply because impeaching trump is a lot harder. They are in fact talking about it too tho
It will change nothing, but still should be done for our collective conscience and historic record that we didn’t want this
While I hope for the best, I have low expectations of our timeline.
Not only the Dog Murderer, the whole fucking lot needs to GTFO!
Shouldn’t we want to impeach every Republican in any office ever for any reason? It’s not like they’ve ever done anything that want literally being a terrorist.
Its start if they impeach the worst ones first. Knowing dems though they’ll spend the whole time talking to their donors and republican media.
Dems are a dead end death trap for democracy. They need to feel the people’s pain
Its a lucky thing then that republican media junkies are murdering dem politicians.
At this point, there are MANY traditional Dems whose lives I don’t care about anymore. They made their bed. It’s not what I want, but they choose to continue the status quo. They are traitors. They have sold us out to the oligarchs and Israel.
Unfortunately, those most often targeted are not traditional Dems.
Wait, they didn’t all want to impeach her after like the first week?
They’re weighing the “political consequences” of impeaching her, I’ve heard
The only reason Democrats are supporting this is because its failure is ensured.
Once again the controlled opposition plays lip service to what the people want. What’s the over/under on this effort dying and then going “welp, we tried! There’s nothing we can do”
I certainly understand, and even agree with that opinion, but there IS a strategic objective possible.
The MAGA Senate will likely let her off the hook, and they’ll have to run against that vote in November, when she will only be more reviled, and her poison will be dripping on anyone associated with her.
And there is always the remote possibility that enough MAGA Senators are tired of the nightmare, and decide to vote to convict her. If they do, and it looks likely to happen, the rest will all jump, too.
That’s exactly what happened with the Epstein Files vote. It was supposed to get covered up, but everyone ended up voting FOR it in this exact scenario - because they didn’t want to run against a No on Epstein. We have to make them fear a No on the Puppy Killer.
They will probably just replace her with Greg Bovino though…
It’s all symbolic, which is what DC Democrats specialize in. We have a one-party authoritarian state, and the Ruling Party will never allow it.
I can’t understand why people don’t see this. Democrats in the minority sure are fighters, but oh darn, they just don’t have the numbers, so vote harder next time! Democrats in the majority suddenly have to be super diplomatic, lest they ruffle feathers across the aisle and lose cooperation with the political party that rarely cooperates. Keep voting hard and they’ll get there, eventually!
wait a second this is starting to sound like a .ml community.
Stop talking about it and fucking do it. People are dying in the streets every day.
What about trump? Impeach trump… remove him from office for being a dumb old super idiot man baby… why do we care about this person when the root of the problem is still running the USA…
Impeach trump
they did it twice. He was also convicted of being a felon. The sentence : nothing.
That’s not the root of the problem. The root of the problem is the inaction, and inneffectual governance of the Democrats in the face of the Republican’s man-made sociopolitical crisis. -That’s why we’re here and that’s why nothing is going to happen.
He only has a couple months left to live anyways
so do a lot of people in ice facilities
He’s like fusion research, he’s always a comple of months away from exploring, and he never does.
His zombie hand doesn’t seem to be getting on with the job.
So does American democracy
And the VP will be so much better… Wait
They won’t sacrifice their current golden lamb even if it’s make a lot of things shit. But Kristi, she’s a sacrificial cow. They’d happily throw her under the bus to install another puppet to take the blame.
Let’s not let the perfect get in the way of the good tho
Fair play!
He’s not going to be removed from office when he’s the sitting US president, unfortunately.
Do it! Quit fucking around!
Only now? Lmao
But the miDtErMs bro
The people have attention spans measured in microseconds. It’s a sad fact that they have to time this shit for maximum impact. Assume if it’s not in the news cycle it’s been forgotten.
Yes, I am admonishing the vast, VAST majority of the other people who live in the same cursed country as me.
Wow you’re so smart and different, clearly.
Fucking kick them out of their torpor. Hell, old man Schmuck get off his ass and smell the coffee. Fix this or cause the worst catastrophe since the Reichstag Fire.
Wait a moment. I’m not American so I don’t understand. In the house there are 213 democrats, so that means more than half of them is thinking that is perfectly fine and normal having someone like her? It doesn’t seem like “skyrocketing numbers” to me. I understand that an alternate headline is “majority of House Dems are against impeaching noem”
I don’t understand. In the house there are 213 democrats, so that means more than half of them is thinking that is perfectly fine and normal having someone like her?
I AM an American and I don’t understand this either.
The sad reality is our democrat party is powered by the same donors and investors as the republican party. They’re all the same, the conflict is entirely Kayfabe, a type of vintage American-spawned brainrot from decades ago when people realized you could charm the population with absurd storylines.
If we had a proper opposition party, they would be capitalizing on this massive mandate against people like Noem and sweeping all of Trump’s henchmen out of office with huge public spectacles and their own World Wrestling Extreme Politics theater. Instead we get frowns, stern letters and finger-wagging at the masked death-squads and foreign-power kidnapping.
The impeachment process is complicated and difficult (by design). Congress is split in two parts, the House of Representatives, and the Senate. Anyone in the House can introduce a bill to impeach someone (bring them to trial). But in order for anything to happen, you need a majority vote to adopt that bill. It then gets sent to the Senate, where they have another majority vote to decide if there will be a trial. If and only if there’s a trial, you need a 2/3 majority vote in the Senate to convict. This has happened exactly 8 times in the history of the United States, and never for a sitting president.
If you don’t have at least a majority in both parts of Congress, it’s basically pointless. Introducing an impeachment bill becomes a symbolic gesture. All the voters hear is “Democrats tried to impeach, and failed. Again.” This demoralizes Democrat voters and energizes Republican voters.
So, yeah, a lot of Democrat politicians aren’t on board because they already know how this will play out.
I don’t know. I find it much more demoralizing when they’re not even willing to make an attempt.
Thats exactly correct and anyone who tries to say otherwise is either being willfully ignorant or intentionally minimizing this fact. You might also be surprised to learn that many of these Dems voted against impeaching Trump for a third time last year. Their actions speak much louder than words.
They likely gave up because they realized that trying to impeach him is just adding fuel to his bases fire.
You gotta realize that Trump has a third of the country believing that he is a victim of political persecution. The “witch hunt” rhetoric was taken hook, line, and sinker. They sincerely and earnestly believe that Trump is a good man with a righteous vision, who is targeted by “the radical left”, which is “weaponizing” the DoJ or the impeachment process.
And unfortunately, that less than 1/3 of the country lives in the right place to make them worth more than half of the seats in the Senate, so impeachment was bound to go nowhere and ultimately hurt the democratic party going into the next elections.
And this plot predates even Trump’s first term. Part of the reason this guy is now Teflon is that he installed a lot of court seats. Partly due to Mitch holding back the nomination of Merrick Garland, but he was also holding back a shitload of lower court vacancies so that they could get filled by 45.
I agree that he should have been impeached, tried, and ultimately convicted. Honestly at this point, I feel like he should be hung for treason. But politics, sadly, can’t always align with justice.
They likely gave up because they realized that trying to impeach him is just adding fuel to his bases fire.
You gotta realize that Trump has a third of the country believing that he is a victim of political persecution. The “witch hunt” rhetoric was taken hook, line, and sinker. They sincerely and earnestly believe that Trump is a good man with a righteous vision, who is targeted by “the radical left”, which is “weaponizing” the DoJ or the impeachment process.
But if we apply this logic then Democrats should never oppose Trump or any other Republican, and where does that leave us? I find this quite ridiculous as not only does it excuse Democratic inaction but also mandates that they bend over backwards to support him in the future for fear of losing their job (a job that quite literally is to represent the people).
Merrick Garland lost his shot at SCOTUS because instead of fighting back when the law was fully on their side nearly a year before the 2016 election, they arrogantly thought that they were guaranteed to win and Clinton would then get the nomination. They again backed down in 2020 just a month before the election and allowed Republicans to ram a nomination through. They backed down in Texas and allowed the Republican legislature to gerrymander districts and pick up several seats. They backed down on the government shutdown and allowed Republicans to take away our healthcare. They backed down and allowed the passage of the BBB. They’re backing down and allowing the capture of a sovereign nation’s president. They’re backing down and allowing ICE to murder citizens in the streets.
These are all reasons why they’re losing elections. They’re supposed to be the opposition party yet they refuse to oppose anything and even vote alongside Republicans often enough. Refusing to acknowledge this is why Trump won in 2016. It’s why he nearly one again in 2020, and it’s why he won in 2024. With each passing day they look more and more like they’re all members of the same party because that’s the only logical explanation for what’s happening. Using the same tired excuses over and over and over only gets you so far before people see right through the BS.
Lemmy firmly believes that every American is as far left as them, sees things the way the front page sees things, and that Democrats are the real problem. It’s naive and self-absorbed, but there it is.
Wait a moment. I’m not American so I don’t understand.
House has to research and pass articles of impeachment
Senate has to hold a trial and convict
It doesn’t make it through both; nothing happens.
Senate by the numbers is 53:45:2 Republican:Democrat:Independent.
None of the republicans has so much as mentioned they’d be on board with it.
As seen in many troubling votes, some percentage of our Democrats in both the House and the Senate are probably not playing for the team they say they are.
So, let’s say the House decides to impeach to make a point, even though they know they have no chance of changing the outcome. There will be retribution. We have nazi slogans on podiums and Proud Boys policing the streets. On November 20th, the president called for the execution of democratic law makers five months after the democratic leader in Minnesota was executed in June in a politically motivated execution. I don’t love it, but I understand their apprehension; they’re not that brave.
So we wait until midterms (assuming the president doesn’t manage to start a war to avoid them), where there’s a good chance the senate will lose enough seats and any questionable democrats get displaced by at least centrists.
Then impeachments will happen and probably can succeed.
even if he starts a war, he can’t avoid the midterms. The president has no authority over elections, the states have that authority, overseen by congress. And if states don’t elect new congressmen and congresswomen and senators, then when the currently elected people have their terms end, then the states will not be able to just keep them in position, when their term ends they are out per the constitution, and won’t have a representative until a special election is performed.
Also… I distinctly remember something from my history classes about how Americans react to being taxed without representation… Or at least they did in Boston in the 1773.
We’re using the constitution as toilet paper at the moment. He’s not following laws now, why would he start?
If he says we’re not going to do it, and the scotus says he’s right and half of congress is fine with it, it’ll be a problem
I could also see a condition where the votes are “under the protection” of ICE and it comes out as a landslide victory.
I can see them try to place it “under the protection” but the states need to have a chain of custody for every vote, and whoever signed that custody chain is responsible for it. I dealt with this in the Army as an MP. And it would require the state to be complicit as well and I don’t think most states want to just hand over all their authority to the federal government and turn themselves into puppets. But we will see…
I’m less worried about a chain of custody as I am with them simply using ICE thugs to scare people away from the polling places.
Not everywhere in the country, but they’ll try to use them “for security” in blue, multicultural cities and that’ll fuck up the vote.
That’s my guess.
Hope is all I’ve got. Have a family to look after
Not exactly.
For context, a bill only needs one sponsor. Most bills have about 2 or 3 cosponsors. Signing a bill as a cosponsor is not the same as voting, which hasn’t happened yet.
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Skyrocketing / exploding numbers doesn’t imply a majority.
A number can grow significantly and still be a less than another number.
