INFO!!! fairphone DOES SUPPORT CUSTOM ROMS!!!
i like the idea of a fairphone. i dun wana buy one tho - if it doesn hav the features i need/wan.
if fairphone had all dis stuff - it would hav a genuine moat, besides the sustainability stff-
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The missing 3.5mm Headphone jack hurts so much :(
yesyis, also my biggest gripe ;(((
if i cud jus hook up my good lil headponies - like - i wud keep that phone for however long i cud keep it-
A 3.5mm to USBC converter really does cost less than a coffee… Was probably not made with ethical labour tho
I always see this argument but I really don’t want anything plugged into anything as important as the USB-C port while the phone is in my pocket.
3.5 plugs are rather short outside of the phone (at least for headphones with 90deg plugs) to minimize leverage that you put on the port. Being able to rotate also means less stress on the port as well.
The USB-C adapters are pretty short, but lack the rotation. I have replaced USB-C ports in dozens of Nintendo Switches and other devices, it is pretty clear they aren’t designed to take much stress.
Long story short if anything happens I would much rather have the 3.5mm pin stuck in a headphone jack than breaking the USB-C port and making it so my phone is a brick.
Totally valid. My fairphone USB port broke after a few years. Took a £20 part and ten minutes to fix, but it’s definitely still an issue with USB C.
However, 3.5mm to USB-C adapters are not passive, they’re active. They need a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) to generate audio signals from the digital data stream that comes from the USB-C.
Phones didn’t use to have very good DACs (with exceptions, of course), but they’re still normally better than whatever you get from a 3€ adapter.
Adapters are also less convenient than a headphone jack, because now you need to remember taking the adapter and the headphones with you.
I’d consider that if they added a second USB port, but no. Why would anyone want to use headphones while their phone is plugged in?
Why do your write like this
becuz i wana-
I use a dongle and get better audio quality than I ever had on an integrated jack. I really don’t care if a phone has the jack. If I want something compact on the go, I use bluetooth ears. If I want to listen to high quality audio, I use the dongle with a quality DAC with proper headphones.
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Fairphone has sources available for it and an unlockable bootloader. There are nightly builds of Lineage already available for the FP6
And you can buy it with /e/OS prwinstalled which is a custom degoogled rom of android
postmarketOS also has rudimentary support for the FP6
And the removable battery was really awesome. Being able to turn your phone off completely in just 10 seconds without any tools. Or pop in a spare one and have a fully charged phone on the go.
Also maybe I’m paranoid but it’s really nice to know you can turn the phone completely off.
The replaceable battery has less and less appeal toe with those crazy 120 watt chargers. A good power bank can replace that functionality quite a bit IMO.
Until your battery needs to be replaced and it costs you $300 for a phone repair shop to.do what should be a 10 second job
Fair.
I hope my battery will last long enough 😰
I don’t care about fast charge times. I do care about my battery life significantly shortening after one year.
My old Xiaomis never had that problem 🤷🏼♀️ guess I was lucky, hoping it’ll continue like that 😁!
I heard iPhones are crap when it comes to battery life and batteries in general, but that’s just what I have heard.
I was speaking to the fact that I cannot replace the battery after one year.
It’s a Lithium Ion problem. There are a limited number of recharge cycles.
On average, after one year of charging every day, your smartphone battery will be at 80% its original capacity.
Yeah maybe 80% is then way more than I need today. Computers are getting more efficient.
But actually it’s not at all 80% after 365 charge cycles, that is just lying. Battery tech is also improving but never had it been 300-400 charging cycles to even 90%
i don’t mean this in a mean way, but I think you forgot how good replacing a battery was and got Stockholm syndromed into liking non replaceable batteries lol
I sure do remember and it was useful because the gps drained the 3000mAh battery like crazy, and using the phone even moderately needed battery nr 2.
Today I don’t need to recharge my phone more than nightly, with the rare being sick and watching 12 hours of YouTube in a row, but then I can charge my phone from 10% to 90% in under 20 minutes sooooooo… WAY less important for me.
And you sure did mean it in a mean way, otherwise you’d just stuck with your opinion instead of trying some low level insult of my mental state.
You’re arguing against replaceable batteries. Your mental state is apparent.
And you attack the person because you have no arguments.
I don’t fully understand this “I won’t buy a fairphone, because it doesn’t have a audio jack” way of thinking. Are there any phones that actually has a jack and still gets updates?
I agree it would be a nice feature, but the few I have spoken to, whom actually complain about this, has ended up buying another phone that IMO is worse and also has no jack.
I’m just confused, not trying to be negative or mean towards anyone.
I’m writing this comment on a Oneplus 6, which has a headphone jack. Since I’m using PostmarketOS on this sucker, I also get all up-to-date packages and kernel. 😎️
What you daily drive postmarket OS?
How is it for daily use?
Motorola has been keeping models with headphone jacks still in place. I don’t know about all of their models, though, could just be on certain ones.
Was one of the things that pushed me to picking my current phone.
Yes, Asus’ flagship for sure as I’ve had them since most manufacturers removed it. I think there’s a couple of others but I’ve been very happy with the two Asus phones I’ve used for about five years now.
Nokia XR20 has a big battery and headphone jack.
My Xperia has audio jack and SD card slot and still gets updates, and unlockable bootloader for when it doesn’t anymore
I’m still using a galaxy S10 specifically because there aren’t any phones on the market that have a headphone jack that I like.
It has 512gb storage, 6gb ram, removable sim and expandable storage. Just replaced the battery off ifixit. Only issue is no eSIM support for international travel but that’s a small price to pay.
How do you get updates?
I used to buy LG phones for the headphone jack before they stopped making phones. Now I have a sony xperia 5 iv and they just announced they’re going to stop selling phones in the US… Ugh
When I was shopping for a new phone I checked what models could run custom mods and had > 5 years of support. I came up with Fairphone and Pixel. Neither had jack, dual sim or SD card. Fairphone was about 2x more expensive. It was a simple choice. Now, if Fairphone would have a dual sim and a jack I would have probably paid extra.
Is dual sim a must or is esim an option? I use 2 sims, but it’s 1 regular and 1 esim.
If esim isn’t an option. I would like to learn why
In my previous job they gave a phone for on calls. My phone was dual SIM so I just plugged the work SIM into my phone and didn’t have to carry both phones. Now when I see a dual SIM phone I think “this could come in handy one day” but it’s not a must have for me.
Maybe prepaid sims purchased with cash? Its a degree of anonymity i guess?
My Fairphone 3 has a headphone jack and is running the most recent build of LineageOS, so yeah.
Writing this on a OnePlus Nord CE4 Lite 5G. It’s not an old model, you can still buy them new from the manufacturer with years of updates. It has a 3.5mm jack.
The Sony Xperia 1 VII(totally not a confusing Name) has a headphone jack and get 4years of updates and 6 of security. It is a very niche phone thought but still a flagships. It also has an SD card slot.
Point being there are phones and even high end phones out there that have these features, however it’s rare which sucks
My motorola moto g55 I’m typing this on has updates and a jack
The phone I’m typing this on right now has an audio jack and still gets updates.
It’s so weird, I just don’t get it. Wires are irritating, they get stuck everywhere and transport the sound of them scratching on your clothes which is annoying.
In a perfect world my phone would have the headphone jack but I’d mostly use Bluetooth headphones for exactly that reason.
The only thing that might convince me that phones are more perfect without it would be if it’s hard to make it waterproof with a headphone jack. But they seem to deal with usb c holes and speaker holes fine though, so idk.
newest sony phone does
Fairphone with graphene os and headphone jack would be awesome.
I want a phone completely untouched by Google. No Google hardware, no upstream Google dependencies at all. Hardware that I control and a more “traditional” flavor of Linux with a mobile-native DE.
hopefully that is possible soon. i want it too
Maybe you will find this interesting: https://furilabs.com/shop/flx1/
Also I like your drawings and art style/visualization.
aww thanksies <3 <3 <3 <3
It also needs to be upgradeable between generations like the framework laptops are. If it had that and a headphone jack I would buy one, but without those absolutely not. I’m not willing to pay anywhere near their prices for something I’m still going to have to replace in a few years, and after learning my lesson with my current OnePlus 9 I am absolutely never buying another phone without a headphone jack
I wonder how difficult it would be to make a phone that’s easily upgradable like a desktop. And to install os as easily.
Upgradability should be easy, just keep the connectors and positions the same between generations and there you go.
And for easy OS replacement, just make the SD slot bootable like on the pinephone and then you can boot and install things from there.
Easier said than done. Phones are tiny, so you can’t really fit everything in a modular grid system since things need to overlap, stack, etc… And you can’t just make everything the same size every year because things just physically take up different amounts of room as they change and there isn’t any room to spare for future upgradability. Batteries grow/shrink, cameras get turned into sideways periscopic lenses, fingerprint sensors grow and get placed under screens, etc. You can’t just tack on an sd card reader or ir blaster if there’s no space for it. Not to mention cpus change and you can’t just run everything over pcie and ribbon cables.
Realistically, what would even be upgradable in a phone that wouldn’t require resizing or repositioning internal components?
Battery? We can already do that but manufacturers refuse to in favor of sub-par water resistance and planed obscelesce. Plus, battery tech doesn’t advance quickly enough that you’d get a meaningful capacity boost in the same footprint.
Cpu or ram? Upgrades really won’t make a meaningful difference until your entire phone is old enough that it makes more sense to buy a new one.
Camera? Maybe slightly more useful than upgrading cpu/ram, but cameras are expensive and heavily depend on economies of scale to be as good as they are without costing a fortune.
Also, it’s really easy to break your phone when you open it up, so there’d need to be additional barriers and hardened connectors to make it user friendly, which again takes up precious space.
Just make the phone a brick, you say? That might work…
OS replacement, however, is easy. Just unlock the bootloader, no sd slot needed. Any phone could do it.
There have been companies that tried. It just never went anywhere. Project Ara was probably the most iconic attempt. I wanted it to come out sooooo bad.
Didn’t the fairphone 4 had a camera upgrade at some point?
Maybe supporting more US-based carriers would hook me.
However, I applaud their efforts in addressing modern slavery and child slavery in their supply chains and manufacturing.
It is rampant, and buying many forms of technology are supporting those supply chains.
This is going to get buried, but I’m so glad to see this discussion on our comm!! This is something I’ve tried to bring up among other communities I’m in and it never really gains traction. Almost 100 comments on this is awesome!! Luv y’all very much!
heyhi ~ ~ ~ <3
im also happy this kinda post ig getting traction… i guess i should stick with this much simpler type of post… normally i make them like - suuuuuper colorful which kinda makes them less approachblable… meanwhile this one here looks almost… like advertising…
The design isn’t the reason I like it. I like it because of the issues it relates to and seeing people care about anti-corpo tech. If it was super colorful and chaotic I’d still love it! Keep posting however you want to post Smorty, we love having you 🫂
I’d trade their dumb accessories for a qi2 magnet. Stop trying to make a new ecosystem when a universal ecosystem exists around qi2
ooooooh!!! i thought that was some apple proprietary bs stuff - but apparently not - cool! <3
Actually, the magnet stuff (not the actual wireless charging) is an Apple thing, but—as far as I know—it is still free to be used.
Ya. You can get cases that have the magnets inside so you can use the same accessories.
I think it originated with Apple, but it was accepted as the standard.
I like this new look on Apple, they contributed partly to USBc and partially to qi2
So shift phones are not known here ?!? Shiftphone 8
Missing the headphone jack?
That’s because building a waterproof phone which is easy to repair is hard to design with a headphone jack
wow!!! no… i did not know of em… but now ill look into em!!! (i saved ur message, thank u for pointing them out!)
Not known to me, but that sounds amazing
What is it? I don’t know it
Cellphones in the US don’t have headphone jacks anymore? I thought that was just an Apple thing. My Redmi has almost everything in that drawing except its not customizable.
Almost all the smartphones around the world don’t have a headphone jack, there are some exceptions to this rule but in general that’s the “trend”
Almost all the smartphones being sold around the world*
If we consider the smartphones in use, I’m not sure this would be the case
Oh, I see. Seems like a recent change, both my mom and my sis’ phones all have jacks, but none of us ever cared on staying on top of things when it comes to electronics releases. I’ve done a brief search, and seems a few new models of Xiaomi still come with them, but I don’t believe those are sold in the US.
It’s recent on a relative scale but ancient news in the technology world. They’ve been disappearing since Apple started it in like 2016.
Does everyone clamoring for a return to the 3.5mm headphone jack not realize USB-C headphones exist?
It’s nice to be able to listen to music and charge your phone at the same time, without the need for a splitter cable.
That would only be a real solution if manufacturers included two USB-C ports, and at that point just include a headphone jack so people aren’t limited in which headphones they can use if they don’t want to have to keep track of stupid little adapters that get lost.
Works, but isn’t the same. Needs one more stuff to buy and carry around, and can’t be used while charging and connected to a device via usb
Some of us are very happy with our current headphones and don’t want new ones. Plus as others said the charging thing.
i totally agree thad usb c is the future connector for most things, but currently every device besides phones offers a headphone jack… because most headphones bein produced rn use headphone jacks-… yea-
so, if u use any device which is not a smartphone but wana use the headphones on it, those headphones better not be usb c…
if you’re talking about headphones that are only USB-C, that’s a no-go. i plug my headphones into more than one device any given day. Switch can do USB-C audio, but anything retro can’t and i spend a lot of time at the arcade.
if you’re talking about adapters, before switching away from Apple i did use the official lightning-3.5mm adapter: it worked, but even those official adapters would become flaky after 6-7 weeks of daily use. couldn’t walk and listen to music at the same time because the phone acted as if the headphones were being connected and disconnected every time i took a step. went through 3 of them before giving up and switching back to a phone with 3.5mm.
so, idk. 3.5mm just works. USB-C doesn’t just work. music + messaging + reading are the primary things i use my phone for. an “upgrade” isn’t an upgrade if it’s worse at one of those things without being better at any of them.
not realize USB-C headphones exist?
I realize those exist enough to also realize I do not want the USB-C connector to get damage due to torsion and stress when having connected a thing for which a connector which naturally allows rotation is far more senseful.
If USB-C had been made round (so as to avoid the Schrödinger plugging issue common to all USB standards so far) this wouldn’t be a problem.
I already have headphones I love with a 3.5mm jack. I hate having to use a fragile adapter to use them.
Sony’s flagships still have one and apperantly a pretty good one. Although their newest phone costs 1500€ which is like nope not for me. It also supports SD card slot
the moto g series still has headphone jacks
Off topic but I really like your style of drawing, it’s cute.
^_^I feel like most of these are at least misleading if not outright false (or maybe I’m misunderstanding them, so please correct me if I do).
- Allow custom ROMs: It does, and there is even a Google-free variant they sell on their store.
- Dual SIM and SD card slot: There may not be dual slots, but there is Dual SIM (one physical, one eSIM), and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a phone with multiple SD card slots.
- Programmable “moments” button: The button is not programmable per se, but there are different settings to make it do different things.
- No dumb accessories: If you don’t find them useful, don’t buy them?
- Headphone jack: Fair enough, I do miss that one, but the USB-C with an adapter works okay, and I’m still using the same headphones that I’ve used for years.
Dual SIM and SD card slot: There may not be dual slots, but there is Dual SIM (one physical, one eSIM), and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a phone with multiple SD card slots.
Still, I prefer 2 physical slots. Some phones also have Dual SIM + eSIM, where 2 of them can be active at a time.
My current phone has Dual SIM + SD. I have all three populated, on of them with 9esim adapter. Removable eSIM. Easy to replace, and stores multiple profiles.As for the second thing: https://www.androidheadlines.com/2016/01/hands-on-with-the-saygus-v2-smartphone.html
dual sim slot phones were very common in some markets where you needed to have multiple carriers. It’s a lot less common now that eSIM exists, but before then it was a common thing for the EU version of a phone to have dual sim slots when the NA versions were only single sim.
I currently have four eSIMs on my phone. I would love nothing more than to get rid of the last remaining physical SIM.
Ideally, also get rid of the whole slot to improve water resistance.
I would MUCH rather they focus on optimisation and power efficiency. My work iPhone can easily last two days on a single charge, three if I’m not really using it that much, all the while giving me all the processing power I’d need to run high-quality games on it. No Android phones comes anywhere near this and it grinds my gears.
All I’m saying is: different people, different needs.
ur right bout the first two… i updated the posts content becuz of it (som hours ago)
but the accessories - see - i like the idea, bzt sadly they opted for a screw-on desgin… which then made the phone have two black screws on the back, in places where ur fingers would be… whivh spawns a big uncomfy feeling in me - so its mostly a personal thing-
but yes, ur points r very valid n i agree.
How did you hold one in your hands?? Is there a fair phone store?
Possibly held a friend’s phone.
I always say this when someone mentions fairphones:
Fairphone 6 does not keep up with standard Android privacy/security patches and has no secure element to provide working disk encryption for typical users not using a strong password, among other flaws.
Taken from the GOS forum
The idea is great, the execution is lacking basic needs in todays world. Missing pin code throttling is kind of insane tbh.
This is specifically about /e/os and not running on stock android though.
I couldn’t find the part where it says that but that’s what I thought. Pin code throttling is part of AOSP iirc, so they would have to go out of their way to remove it (or base their OS on an older LineageOS release like /e/os).
Edit: It’s not. It’s about the missing chip. Read the comment.
PIN code throttling can’t be implemented properly if hardware doesn’t support it. This is the very purpose of the secure element.
It has its own CPU, storage, random number generator and realtime clock. Once a secret (encryption key) is generated inside of it, it can’t get unlocked until this very tiny chip allows it. And the chip uses different kind of protections (in case of weak pins — the most prominent one is throttling using its built-in RTC clock).
If there’s no secure element, then attacker can just extract the memory chip and easily brute force the encrypted key on the much more powerful (and not throttled by RTC) hardware.
And since the PIN codes are so weak, even the strongest key derivation functions won’t help against such bruteforce.
Sometimes I think about the fairphone and similar projects that face some sort of conflict with their user base, and I believe this is the great trouble with creating stuff for non consumerist people. For example, I love the concept of the fairphone, but will I buy one? Well, maybe in a few years when my current phone stops working and has no means to be fixed anymore. Mine is a low end device from 2020 that I repaired a broken screen earlier this year. It’s a bit slow, but I mostly run foss apps with very little requirements, so I don’t really care. Since the introduction of GSIs, android version obsolescence isn’t much of a problem for the tech-savvy anymore. I siply don’t have any plans of replacing it.
If I had to buy another one, I’d probably look for a phone exactly like the described in the posted image, and I also have those conflicts with the latest fairphone model. In fact, I’d probably buy the previous models. I don’t care for a version number of manufacturing date, or any other number, I just care for the actual use value to me. But for a company to stay afloat in our economy, they must release stuff often, or will be labeled as “lacking innovation”, and if they don’t follow the direction of other brands, the frequent buyers might leave them. And this is exactly the problem of such products, because their target audience aren’t the frequent buyers! If they try to make the frequent buyers happy, they will make the target audience unhappy, and vice versa.
As a matter of fact, When my phone eventually needs to be replaced, there’s a good chance that I won’t even need to buy another, because some friend or relative might have an unused one lying around that they just stopped using because it’s “old”, and I will gladly give a second life to it. It’s hard to compete with a sea of disposed stuff in good conditions.
