So you waste your time interviewing the 135k guy and he obviously rejects your shitty offer?
They’re hoping to somehow talk $135k guy into it.
They’ll bait the hook with things like “unlimited” PTO because there is a chance the reason you’re interviewing is for an easier work environment, not more pay.
It won’t work most of the time but that’s why it’s called fishing and not catching.
I think that’s the implication, yeah. Seems like this guy needs to get taken out on a walk to the end of the pier on a nice day. Go see all the pretty fishes. Maybe watch the sunset.
So you waste your time interviewing the 135k guy and he obviously rejects your shitty offer?
Not just your time, your and the candidate’s time.
yes, so they can then post about how nobody wants to work anymore
Charitably the best i can come up with at least the business would know they’re not offering enough if people keep rejecting them. But then that’s the status quo and all evidence points to wage suppression so clearly they’re just making up bullshit to justify wage suppression.
My wife applied to a job this weekend, no salary mentioned at all and a required field on the form was her salary expectation that would only permit a single number, no letters, not a range.
I just put 0 or 1 in there
What does he think will happen here?
If you trick the person making $135k through a few interviews, they won’t change their mind and take the lower paying position.
You still end up hiring the $75k person, but with extra costs, overhead, and waste of time.
HR loves to do busywork, its to prevent themselves from being unemployed.
“If people knew I was going to underpay them, they wouldn’t apply for a job!” 🤡
Right exactly, if you want someone already making $135k then you should offer $135k or more.
Requiring salaries was passed as a pro-labor move. We know it increases wages over time. That’s the point.
HR would like to see you. We’ve had reports of you using toxic “logic” and propaganda on the floor.
It’s almost as though you’re not supposed to get that person because you’re not fucking paying enough for their talent… 🤔
To be fair, there’s plenty of $135k people who shouldn’t even be making $40k for their “talent”.
Meritocracy is a myth.
So, he wants to hire a person who is valued at 135k for 90-110k.
he wants to hire that 135k person at 75k.
No, it’s even worse, what he wants that 135k person to go through the application process.
The guy seems to be from a placement agency so he doesn’t actually care that the 135k applicant is going to tell the hiring manager to fuck of at the end of the application process when they get a 110k offer and thus not get hired, what he cares about is being seen sending tons of applicants.
He literally has different motivations than those doing the hiring.
Once hired, he becomes a 100k guy and they suddenly want to pay them 70.
I interpret this as the company willing to pay more if there’s an exceptional match, but posting ranges practically filters these profiles out.
But yeah, I’d be happier to actually see these ranges, way less room for companies to lowball you.
Not posting salaries shows an utter lack of respect for my time.
I remember when I was working as a contractor that I would simply not deal with certain placement agencies after they sent me towards positions which were way below my rate and wasted my time on it.
In fact it’s generally a pretty good red flag on an agency or potential contract that they’re not willing to tell you early in the process what’s the range of rates for the job.
Yeah when I was working with recruiters the first question out of my mouth was “what’s it pay?” Eventually got down to primarily going through one agency where the guy knew not to fuck me around but I made up for any annoyance that may have caused by being reliable. That was the only recruiter I ever dealt with who gave me multiple postings at a time to choose from.
Oh it absolutely does, but sadly enough they have plenty other ways to waste your time.
At this point I’ll be happy if they can tell salaries during the first interview, rather than having 3 rounds to then offer half of what I told them I earn on my first call
Then post a second listing and pay range for a senior role. If someone applies for senior, treat them based on the upper requirements for the upper pay range.
Then they are bad at posting ranges and should post better ones. The upper band of the range should be for exceptional matches.
The person making $135k probably keeps scrolling.
This is nonsense from the very beginning. Of course they’ll keep scrolling, would you accept more than 30% pay cut when you already have a job? I wouldn’t, for pretty much any position. Even if you’re being selfish and choosy, you want to filter them out so it doesn’t waste your time.
I mean, if you’re already scrolling for job positions making $135k, you’re probably not doing it for a raise. It’s probably because you’re not happy in your working environment.
Still though, I would argue it speeds up the process to post the salary. Because if your 135k dude comes in for an interview and hears 90k, they’ll bounce anyway, and we’ll all have had our time wasted.
🤷♂️
I would love to be making 135k. And I would be very content. But A) baseline cost of living is different everywhere, B) Some people support big families on one salary, C) Some people have others that they care for with chronic health or developmental issues that are very costly, etc. So not everyone would necessarily be content at that salary. Plus, if you are making 135k and you CAN be making more, there is no reason not to be looking for opportunities to do so. There is no honor in making less than you are worth to someone else just because. Job hopping to get that raise is very much perfectly reasonable. And having more than you need means you can be generous and give to those who don’t.
You’re missing the point, the big point was the second paragraph, starting with “still though”.
That’s not what they want though. What they really want, is to pay the best person they can get the absolute minimum they need to pay them.
They don’t think about “what is the value of someone doing this job properly?”
They are counting on candidates not knowing their worth and exploiting that, and this guy is basically saying that
What they really want, is to pay the best person they can get the absolute minimum they need to pay them.
Right, but workers aren’t robots lining up for the quickest hiring they can get. They compare salaries to other places, lol.
I don’t think people are that clueless about their worth.
Of course, but why does this guy (or his client) not want to advertise that he’s willing to pay 135k for someone who can do the job well? Because he wants to get the lowest he can get away with
I understand that part. 👍
Not happy in my work environment here. I’m not quite to 135k but I’m over 100k. I’ve scrolled through looking at jobs and still skip jobs that pay 30k less.
I’m sorry you’re not comfortable at work, first of all. But yeah, isn’t it great that you wouldn’t waste time going to interviews for those low paying jobs? Win win for everyone.
That’s what I was getting at. If they don’t post the salary, it goes to the bottom of the list and if I apply and get told the range in a phone screening, I stop trying if it’s under my pay by more than $15,000 but still do reply but half-heartedly.
Leading with the pay keeps from wasting time and theirs.
Yeah, we are making the same point. 😁🤝
Even being unhappy I’m not switching jobs unless there’s going to be a pay raise. No guarantee the new place won’t be worse. Unless I somehow manage to land something that pays the same but lets me just fuck around all day.
Have you been in a situation where you were unhappy at your workplace?
Yeah. I’m literally in my workplace and unhappy as we speak.
That sucks. I hope that turns around for you one way or another. 🫂
I’d take a 30% pay cut for the right job but I am not sure if they really exist and are something I could realistically get.
Quality control for an escort agency
If you want the 135k guy then offer to pay 135k idiot.
150k*
Why would a guy change 135k job for 135k? 150k is what 135k guy wants
That’s too many words to say “I’m a piece of shit”.
…yes?
That’s exactly why we want them…?
If you wanted someone making 135k to come work for you, then you should probably pay at least 140k.
Greed. The answer is always fucking greed.
Well if they are unhappy with their job you could probably offer the same… But I am not switching jobs from something I like to something unknown without a minimum of 10%. So $150k is more reasonable.
This.
Going from a reasonable job to an unknown is a significant risk, it needs to compensate that risk appropriately.
If I hated my $135k job, I may take a very small pay cut but I’d really have to hate the current place, enough so that I couldn’t stand a few months more of searching for something better.
If I like my current role, well that risk premium grows significantly. They’d also have to find me, I’m not actually looking if I like my job.
That’s just me showing my poverty. 5k would be a lot for me, but not for someone who made 135k a year.
I mean… that’s exactly what’s happening right now for us. Those fucking idiots at HR don’t want to pay higher salary, so we get people with mediocre talents, and the odd amazing person who will soon grow dissatisfied once they realise what they are actually worth, and how much they’re getting shafted. The whole model is built on deceiving good people long enough to use them. Because in their head, people are all interchangeable. They absolutely do not understand the benefits of continuity, and the impact of turnover. It’s just so fucking exhausting to be faced with such stupidity.
Everyone wants nugget numbers posted on every menu.
Fair enough.
Here’s the question:
If you post chicken nuggets are 3 piece or 4 piece who is more likely to order?
The person who wants 2 pieces is going to get a good deal.
The person who wants 6 pieces is going to need to order two.
So your customer base isn’t the purchasing pool because you won’t convince the 6 piece person to come in.
It’s the people who only want 2 nuggets that are willing to order.
That’s the difference.
Nugnomics
so you rather waste all the time going through all the interview process for them to reject your offer during salary negotiation phase, and then after enough times they just stopped applying to jobs without a salary range and you are back to your shitty limited pool
I’m not even bothering with no range posted. At this point I’m also not waiting until the 14th interview to ask about salary because it looks bad. I’m asking in the first 5 min. And if there are more than a few interviews that shows me they have no industry knowledge or contacts and that’s a red flag.
lol good thing salary ranges are required in the EU now
