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Edinbuger here.
They reported this in the local paper today, you know it’s bad when the Edinburgh evening news was taking the side of the cyclist.
But then again Edinburgh drivers think they are above the law and riot when not catered to as God emperors of the city. Every time there’s an improvement to public transport or cycling or pedestrian areas, they throw a hissy fit.
Do you know what are the charges?
Edit: he plead guilty but awaiting sentencing. Likely 2-4 years range.
I’m sure that’s a local phenomenon, it’s not like every city everywhere claims they have the worst drivers (except the person who shares that fact about their city, who either doesn’t drive or isn’t too bad in comparison).
A braver person would claim something like “(bad) drivers are like that everywhere”, but that would mean we need to overhaul the whole transport system instead of reminding specific cities of the traffic laws.
I wish I hadn’t seen this. Genuinely this needs a content warning.
I feel so badly for the victim. His life is over even if he technically survived.
Straight up attempted murder in my eyes.
This guy should be locked up in prison for atleast a decade and the woman for couple years for leaving an injured person on the road. But they will likely anyways plead guilt and go with something like “I did not mean to push him that hard, I just wanted to topple him” bla bla. His shirt explains everything one needs to know; wears a shirt thay says England with a lion, lives in Edinburgh and probably wants immigrants out of UK. What a tool.
Top comment on the article, from “mrbmww”:
The sad thing is,because he laid hands on the cyclist, Even if it was the cyclists fault.The driver will get done.
The actual fuck? He thinks it’s sad that someone who takes another person, throws him violently onto the ground and leaves him unconscious and bleeding and drives off “gets done”? And that that somehow means that there is discrimination against motorists??
Need NSFW tag
The fucker belongs to jail. He’s danger to society.
99% Of sane people wouldn’t have to resort to violence about some shitty I-passed-before-you you-cut-me-off situation! How late was he going to be 1 minute extra?! Whoever was wrong intentional or not! Okay sorry calm down your tits have a nice day gtfo… But why take it there!
Do you feel the guy who did this to the cyclist will be hit with attempted murder charges?
Unlikely, he will probably go with something like “I just wanted to topple him” and they will accept it and probably give him “causing injury by reckless behaviour” or sth like that
No his defense will be he did not wear a helmet
I hope not. 😞
this is fucking terrifying😭😭😭
Im normally against the death penalty,
Okay so, that’s a felony. Dude who got out of the car committed a felony.
I can’t help but feel the cyclist is being innocent washed though. No story whatsoever about the moments leading up to this incident? Like, why are we stopped in traffic like this long enough for both the passenger and driver to feel the need to get out?
What, could POSSIBLY, warrant that response? “Innocent washed”? My brother in Christ, it doesn’t matter how annoying he was being before, unless he’s a credible threat to life and limb that level of violence is not warranted.
Well I harken back to my father teaching me to drive, and the little nugget of wisdom that has saved my life in traffic multiple times over the last 25 years on the road and in the air: It’s better to be alive than right.
People are going to cut you off, they’re gonna break traffic patterns, they’re gonna drive the wrong way up the road, they’re gonna drive drunk while doing lines of cocaine off the ass of the prostitute they’re murdering, and you can list all the crimes you saw them do to the ER staff as they try to stop the bleeding around the steering column sticking out of your chest. You have a duty to yourself to steer around the jackasses.
It looks for all the world to me that Bikey Mikey is pulling some Karen-esque move blocking traffic to assert a cyclist’s right of way or some shit. He might have gone on a bike ride tomorrow if he’d just pedaled away. He had a chance to de-escalate the situation, which he didn’t take. So he took a street to the dome. That guy’s going to prison, that guy’s going on a respirator. Was whatever point he was making…worth it?
I get the feeling he chose to incite the incident. He chose to be in the way, he chose to stay in the way. I don’t give the first two half-flaccid thrusts of a reluctant pity fuck if he deserved to have his skull caved in, it wouldn’t have happened if he hadn’t incited the incident.
Even if the cyclist was the most dumb or annoying person in the world… So what? Smashing someone’s head in because they are annoying is in no way an appropriate response to anything outside of a life threatening situation. Nobody should ever expect to have their head smashed in over an argument. What’s next? Stabbing kids because they were making annoying noises? I mean everybody knows it is common decency to not make annoying noises. They made annoying noises, so they were asking for it.
it wouldn’t have happened if he hadn’t incited the incident.
Your logic applies just as well to the car driver, and he could just as well have ended up on the pavement. Was whatever point he was trying to make worth it? I think it’s flawed to see this interaction and think about what the victim could have done differently, but at the very least, don’t make it sound like he was the only one that “incited the incident”.
So assume he had the right of passage and wanted to exercise this despite seeing the car coming. You call this “inciting an incident” and then not letting the car pass “karenesque”? This is called victim blaming and usually is done by people who already have prejudices against one of the parties (and you strongly seem to have one). Goes along the same lines as “if she didn’t want to get sexually assaulted why did she wear a skirt”.
In what other circumstance is a man going to be standing on a bike in traffic long enough for a woman to get out of the car to start fussing at him?
I do not give a FUCKSHIT about “victim blaming.” Look, two guys in a bar. They bump into each other, some beer is spilled. Guy 1 starts getting up in Guy 2’s face yelling “YEAH? WHATCHA GONNA DO? WHATCHA GONNA DO?” Guy 2 slams Guy 1’s head into a table so hard he never walks, speaks or sees in color ever again. I can have no fucking sympathy for Guy 1. I don’t care if his “punishment” fits his “crime.”
Being a victim of a crime does not make one innocent.
Being a victim does not make one innocent, but being in an argument does not make one guilty.
I know you probably aren’t, but the way you’ve talked here makes you sound like the exact sort of person as the assaulter in the video. Someone who thinks abrupt violence is a justified way to handle an argument.
Man, I saw people pistol whipped over toilet paper. The fact that what that dude did was illegal isn’t going to make your stay at the ER any more comfy. Don’t push people’s buttons.
Captain Aggravated is, very obviously, a rapist.
What you are doing here is called reversal of victim and perpetrator roles.
“Well, what was she wearing? Had she been drinking that night? Why was she alone?” -Captain Aggravated
Way to blame the victim bub. You want a perfect victim? That doesn’t exist. You really need to check you moral compass
My moral compass points to “don’t pick fights, you might get beaten up” but go the fuck off.
What were the circumstances that led to the first frame of the video?
“She needs to be more aware of her surroundings, maybe she shouldn’t be drinking alone. That clothing was really revealing, don’t wanna give guys the wrong idea” -Captain Aggravated
Rapist mentality.
What the fuck does rape have to do with this? Why are you so fixated on rape? Are you a rapist? Should I address you as senator? Do we need to look through your browser history?
Before the video starts, probably by a few minutes, we get into this situation where a car and a bike are sitting in traffic. This has apparently been going on long enough for the female passenger of the car to get out and start talking to the biker. She’s gesturing broadly in the direction the bike is pointing so gather she’s saying whatever translates out of Scot’s incomprehensibabble into “get out of the way”. Then the driver of the car gets out, grabs the biker by the throat and slams him to the pavement.
The driver of the car committed a felony. Committing that felony is his own fault.
For the likely several minutes he was sitting on his bike, stationary in traffic, the cyclist could have ridden away, continued with his bike ride, escape a dangerous situation. For whatever reason he decided not to do that, and now he’s got a fractured skull.
Did he deserve a fractured skull? NaN. Deserve doesn’t factor into it, car driver slammy man isn’t a judge or jury, there’s no “deserve” here. The law isn’t about preventing bad things from happening, the law is about systematically hurting more people after the fact. That’s all it does, that’s all it can do. The law didn’t stop the driver from choke slamming the cyclist. The law is not plot armor.
I notice the cyclist is also not wearing a helmet. Going for a bike ride without a helmet on is a risky activity. He could have fallen down and hit his head, which could have resulted in a skull fracture and blood on the brain causing permanent damage to his nervous system. If he had just fallen, as cyclists do all the time, did he “deserve” it? Is a fractured skull the legal punishment for riding a bike without a helmet? No, but that’s what you get. Now, while you’re engaged in the wholesome family activity of riding your bike without a helmet, does standing in the street blocking automobile traffic increase, or decrease your level of personal risk? I didn’t ask “SHOULD standing in the street…” I asked “DOES standing in the street…” I know which one you’ll answer though.
What did you think I was talking about with the quotes? A lot of people in the world blame the rape victims for their rape by saying things very similar to what you say. “They shouldn’t have been there, they shouldn’t have done that” etc…
Rapist mentality. You have a rapist mentality. I’m not saying you’re a rapist, just that you’d blame a rape victim for their rape.
I’m under no obligation to answer your fucking questions.
So you’re a pussy
I mean, I would really suspect the mental faculties of anyone getting out of their car in the middle of a junction. My best guess is it was the cyclist’s right to pass but being a dick the car driver didn’t even care about the bike and tried to pass, leading to this scene. Also the guy’s shirt explains a ton.
Was he riding a bike with no helmet? Why was he stopped right in front of the car, talking to the woman, it looked like he was blocking the car to be a jerk, blocking them and she was trying to talk him into moving. Then asshole makes an appearance. I vote everyone shitty here. Obviously asshole more so.
lol without any context you go against the assaulted person. What a work of art you are
It looks like the car was going to turn into the bike
So you’re saying there’s zero context to make even a reasonable judgement of the situation.
Yep. Article says nothing
tooas well.
Hedley pleaded guilty to assaulting Mr Brown to his severe injury, ** permanent impairment **
Fuck me… that’s rough. He should be forced to pay for the rest of his life, get anger management courses, and psychological help.
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Found a gofundme page, not sure of its veracity
“On March 26th, Iain was out doing what he loved most — cycling. But that day took a tragic turn. Iain was thrown from his bike in a devastating accident, resulting in a serious spinal cord injury. He now faces life with severely limited movement in both his arms and legs”
Nothing about that was an accident
Traffic collision
If you’ve seen hot fuzz, you know
Just the one, actually
What skeley-tons?
Start off with prison time, might give him some perspective.
There is no amount of psychological help that can change a conservative into a normal person. They are just violent by nature.
I don’t disagree with you statement but where did you come up with “conservative”? I didn’t see that distinction anywhere in the linked article.
The T-shirt of the driver tells you a lot about his political point of view.
Just look at their username, they obviously have an axe to grind
Their violent nature gives them away as conservatives. A normal person does not violently attack people with no real provocation like that. Only a conservative does that. Notice how naturally it came to him and his wife. Conservatives are violent by nature and attacking people is normal behavior for them. That is an almost exclusively conservative trait.
Its difficult to tell if you’re a useful idiot or just not useful but trolling.
I might be an idiot. But I am honest in my absolute hatred of conservatives. I do not value their lives in the tiniest amount, just as they do not value the lives of non-conservatives. If that’s what idiot trolls think, then I guess I’m guilty.
“an entire group of people is psychotic, so in turn, it is justified that I am psychotic”
Conservatives have described me to my face as their enemy for over 50 years. I turned the other cheek over and over again. And now that I finally agree with them that I am their enemy, I am now “psychotic”? Ok. Well, that can be part of the headline then.
Conservatives are truly, deeply evil. Anyone who defends conservatives at this point is as well.
We don’t have to be precious about it, it’s easy to see why they’d feel that way. In a calmer mood you still know it’s wrong, but it seems disingenuous to pretend it’s incomprehensible how someone could be in those feelings.
What a stupid take. Cult deprogramming is a thing.
Conservatives are defined by their lack of empathy
Give clearly never met anyone like that cunt. He’ll be proud of himself.
MAGA is a cult. Conservatism is not. A conservative cannot be changed by any amount of “deprogramming”. They are biologically unable to experience empathy.
Yes, they can. There’s a reason that college “turns kids liberal.” It’s because meeting people from various cultures and backgrounds and learning that they’re just people too does a lot to combat the indoctrination they experienced.
Many of these people literally don’t know any better because they’ve been lied to their whole lives. Critical thinking and questioning authority is actively punished. The media that they were raised on trained them to think that any other source is lying to them.
It takes work, sometimes a lot of it, but most people can be reached. I’ve personally helped several people, even converting a “god put dinosaur bones in the ground 6k years ago to test us” believer.
But saying every conservative is a sociopath incapable of change just shows that you lack the ability to be empathetic. If there’s absolutely no room for forgiveness, then what reason do they have to change?
I appreciate your position. That was my position until the conservatives started killing people in the streets.
I also agree on the point regarding education. But to be fair, I don’t consider a 20 year old a real conservative, simply because they barely understand themselves yet. A young person who is able to experience empathy will eventually find their empathy completely incompatible with conservatism. It is not possible to experience empathy for others and hold conservative views simultaneously. Conservative views fundamentally defy empathy. Education speeds up that realization for young people, which is why it looks like it “turns them” into normal people.
Many conservatives are college educated. The reason they didn’t change in college is because they couldn’t feel empathy in college, just as they cannot feel empathy after college.
I’m glad you were able to reach someone who identified as conservative. That’s not easy at all. I tried to change my conservative friends, family and colleagues for decades. Getting your friend to change is an exceptional accomplishment. If they are able to experience empathy, then I am sure their change will be permanent.
Those are maga thugs. You made the distinction between the two earlier.
The conservative voters think everyone ICE is kidnapping or killing is a violent criminal, because the media they were brainwashed into believing tells them so.
And they’re also trained that empathy is a weakness. That’s why you often see them change stances when something actually affects them. It’s not because they’re incapable of being empathetic, it’s because they’ve been trained not to be and the issue impacting them sometimes makes them realize how other people felt.
Of course, I’m definitely not saying that every person can be converted. Some people are too entrenched, but it’s definitely not all of them. But it’s absolutely a mistake to dehumanize every conservative like that. It’s one of the main tactics of fascism, and removes empathy from the equation.
Also, the approach to converting these people is crucial. If they even catch a hint that you’re talking down to them or trying to prove them wrong, they’ll shut down. You have to make it seem like you’re on board with their position, and ask clarifying questions to plant seeds of doubt.
I’m not downvoting you. You are engaging in good faith, and I appreciate your instinct toward kindness to them.
When conservatives are shown definitive proof that their thugs are harming innocent people, they do not change their position. They simply say, “well, I don’t know about that”. But that is a lie. They DO know about that. They do know what is happening right now and they are absolutely not interested in changing or stopping it. Their representatives hold both chambers of congress. Conservatives can stop this anytime they like and they are actively choosing not to. They completely understand the situation at this point and are choosing evil.
I agree that they are trained to see empathy as weakness. Growing up in south Texas, living there my whole life and then retiring there, I was told empathy was a grotesque weakness my entire life. Every person who told me that was a conservative who could not experience empathy. Because I am able to experience empathy, their lies could not work on me. But the lies worked very well on my friends, neighbors and colleagues who could not experience empathy.
I have been nothing but kind and supportive of them my entire life, mostly because I didn’t want to blame them for their biological shortcomings. It’s not their fault they can’t experience empathy. But it is their fault that they choose to harm others and celebrate that harm. Their inability to feel guilt or empathy does not absolve them. They choose to be the very definition of evil.
I have never talked down to them. I have always been supportive and have used the Socratic method and genuine, patient curiosity to try to reach them. I mourn the loss of my friends anf family that I have disowned. No amount of patience and kindness has been effective in changing them from being a deadly threat to the vulnerable around them. Their choices result in concentration camps and the loss of human rights. And they still celebrate it.
Conservatives will never stop harming others on their own. No amount of patience or love can make them stop. This is the sad reality of conservatism. It is cancer. There is only one way to stop cancer.
Violent idiot doing idiotic violent things to show just how much of a ‘big man’ he is.
Well there you go, ‘big man’, you’ve caused another person a brain injury…and yet I bet you still blame the other person for “getting in the way”.
People should loose their right to drive for this
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Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends. I have not much hope that Gollum can be cured before he dies, but there is a chance of it.
That’s grievous bodily harm. This fucker belongs in jail.
I don’t believe in jail. Take away his license, make him pay Iain’s bills for the rest of his life, and give him mandatory counseling.
You should be his counsellor. Good luck.
Yeah, I’m willing to do that. Although I’d rather provide therapy to queer and neurodiverse people, which I think My life experiences would be better utilised by.
So he’s clearly a threat to society and you think he should be loose while he’s being counseled? What if he hurts someone else?
He should have a full time minder for the next three weeks (6-9 counselling sessions) to follow him around and make sure he doesn’t. The minder should be a big burly government employee tasked with keeping him out of trouble. The minder should have extensive training in de-escalation skills, and a decent grasp of martial arts, just in case.
I think those three weeks would be quite humiliating and he wouldn’t want to do it again.
And who’s paying for that? Ideally it would be great but that sounds like at least 100x the budget of what we have now.
Scotland should take the money out of the road building and maintenance budget. Scotland doesn’t need cars and Scotland doesn’t need roads for cars. Cheaper to invest in public rail.
Roads got Scotland into this mess, quit building roads until the mess is fixed!
Looked like attempted murder to me
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Driving? People should lose their freedom for 8-10 years.
why so harsh? not like he shouted “free palestine” or something.
It’s never been a worse time to be a cyclist in the UK the amount of hard men who shout abuse at me is unreal, and i only go out on a Sunday for leisure. Never happens when I go out with a group though.
I hate how much I can relate to this, thanks to having been a bicycling 12 year old girl.
What’s their problem? Cyclists on intersections don’t allow the manly men to roam free on the road? Or they hurt their small pp big car energy? Or what?
I think it’s the big man in car vs a vulnerable road user. Power goes so quickly to some people heads
