• GiveOver@feddit.ukEnglish
    28·
    1 天前

    Prayers for those who died of blood loss 2 hours before God pushed the “allow transfusions” hotfix ☹️ 🙏

  • blitzen@lemmy.caEnglish
    8·
    1 天前

    So about 25 years ago, my mother remarried. Her new husband was a Jehovah Witness, or at least he had been before his previous divorce made him no longer welcome. Well, with their marriage he’s suddenly welcome again, and so both he and my mother were JW.

    Fast forward five years, and my mother has a condition in which she had to undergo surgery. During surgery, her red blood cell count dropped dangerously and thus required a blood transfusion. No medical issues with the transfusion, it all went well.

    A few weeks later she has to return for further surgery. My siblings and I are visiting with her in the pre-op room, and we’re suddenly joined with elders from her church. They’d heard about the earlier transfusion, and were there with pre-filled out paperwork for her to sign to decline any further should the medical need arise this time. I interrupted, and as the oldest of her children, I told her that under no circumstances would she be signing that. Ultimately, she did not sign and they left the church because of it.

    If someone has a deeply held belief, who am I to tell them they’re wrong. But my mother had no belief in the “sin” of blood transfusions. She’d only been part of the church for a handful of years. And even those “deeply held beliefs” of the church, they were subject to change themselves. Organ donation was once viewed within the church the same way they’d been viewing blood transfusion, but at some point the benefits of organ donation were clear enough to alter the “rules.” I’m glad they’re finally changing their views on this, but they could have killed my family member if I hadn’t insisted they leave, and I won’t forget that.

  • Mrkawfee@lemmy.worldEnglish
    8·
    1 天前

    I believe!!! That Satan has a hold of you. I believe! That the Lord God has sent me here! And I believe that in 1978 God changed his mind about black people!!

  • Furbag@pawb.socialEnglish
    54·
    2 天前

    So… which higher up at the JW organization needed a life saving transfusion? No way they changed their minds on this unprompted.

    • Berlinblades@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      1 天前

      The hierarchical structure of this organisation is absolutely vile.

      Also,the ones out witnessing at the train Station or going door to door are usually at the bottom of the hierarchy,so I for one am always politenl to them,even if i dont engage. It’s not nice to mess with them or slam the door or whatever.

  • Berlinblades@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    1 天前

    In the US there is more control die to waivers and health insurance etc,but in Ireland my JW Friends have orders to obey the law of the land when it comes to doctrine conflicting with health matters,therefore they will grudgingly accept emergency blood transfusions.

      • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        25·
        2 天前

        Yeah, but then they would come up with some internal blessing requirement for donated blood to ensure it stays in network.

  • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
    46·
    2 天前

    Whenever I see stupid shit like JW refusing blood, i’m reminded of the parable of the man in the flood, who keeps getting rescuers coming to him time and time again, only to refuse it all with the declaration that god would save them… and then they finally die in the flood, and they angerly accost got about why god didnt save him, and god is all like “Fuck you, You fucking idiot. You refused every rescue that came your way. This is your fault for being stupid”

    • boonhet@lemmy.zipEnglish
      25·
      2 天前

      I’ve seen it in the form of a comic or a short story and God literally said “who do you think sent the rescuers” which if you believe in God is kinda how it’s supposed to work I believe, rather than God straight up lifting you out if the water

    • elucubra@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      4·
      2 天前

      Well, sadly most user manuals for religions, are filled with stupid shit, with the odd exception like “Love thy neighbor” (which apparently has the corollary “but fuck anyone far away enough to not be your neighbor”).

  • Quicky@piefed.socialEnglish
    107·
    2 天前

    An old JW boss of mine almost lost his wife during the birth of his first child when she was badly haemorrhaging at home.

    I tried asking him about it (a few years after the event) and he was obviously defensive, but the gist was that they wouldn’t have taken a transfusion, and that he would have accepted losing her.

    I’m not convinced - I think the decision was more dictated by her than him - but that would have been the end result.

    Absolute madness

    • HugeNerd@lemmy.caEnglish
      92·
      2 天前

      Did you tell him his religion is made up dogshit and there is no god?

    • Wataba@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      917·
      2 天前

      Controlling men like that need to have a life changing surgery of their own before they harm more women like that.

      I prescribe a sharp metal pick and a hammer personally.

      • Quicky@piefed.socialEnglish
        46·
        2 天前

        I think you missed the point of this. I believe it was her influence more than his, based on other factors I’m aware of.

        Unless you’re referring to the writers of the church doctrine as the controlling men.

        • papalonian@lemmy.worldEnglish
          32·
          2 天前

          I’m not convinced - I think the decision was more dictated by her than him - but that would have been the end result.

          I missed the point as well, I took this to mean, “he wanted her to give birth without a transfusion, but I’m not convinced [it would’ve actually happened] - I think the decision [to have a transfusion or not] was more dictated by her [and she would’ve got one]”

      • Okokimup@lemmy.worldEnglish
        30·
        2 天前

        The controlling men in this scenario are the 8 bastards in Brooklyn known as The Governing Body who make up these rules and dictate whether a person will lose their entire family and or social/support network for failing to obey them.

      • riot@fedia.io
        17·
        2 天前

        I think the decision was more dictated by her than him

        I think the point is that he was never part of the decision.

  • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.netEnglish
    79·
    2 天前

    Despite the adjustment, the organisation was firm that its longstanding prohibition on whole-blood transfusions has not changed. It anchored the continued ban on its reading of biblical instructions to “abstain from blood,” signalling that the shift applies only to the four major components, not to transfusions in their entirety.

    People died because of this and now they just go “we looked at the rules again and we think they actually mean something else”. What the fuck is this? The Supreme Court?

      • starik@lemmy.todayEnglish
        33·
        2 天前

        You forget that God knows all and can see future technology. We’re still waiting for the passage “Thou shalt not step into thy transporter, for it causeth loss of thy soul” to become relevant.

        • taiyang@lemmy.worldEnglish
          23·
          2 天前

          I thought it was weird it even had passages about NVidia’s DLSS5, but now we know.

    • Supervisor194@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      2 天前

      It’s stupid. All they had to do was prohibit eating of blood 70 years ago and nobody would have blinked an eye, because that’s exactly what the verse meant in its entirety. The whole blood loophole they’ve done here to save face is meaningless, since whole blood is almost never used except in severe trauma and even then you can use fractions and have a pretty good chance of recovering. A whole lot of people had to die to get here. It sucks.

  • HugeNerd@lemmy.caEnglish
    449·
    2 天前

    All religions are a form of mental illness. Religion is the greatest threat facing humanity BY FAR.

    Because even after our little temporary oil-powered blip of 8 billion people lobbing planes full of bombs at each other collapses, we’ll still keep inventing gods to disagree over.

      • Duamerthrax@lemmy.worldEnglish
        17·
        2 天前

        The faith people have in capitalism is the same as their faith in their religion. Trump is the leader to his own religion.

        • njm1314@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          2 天前

          Much deeper faith. I mean the faith people have in capitalism is to the point where they can’t even imagine other economic systems existing.

          • rapchee@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            22 小时前

            tbf it’s all that we ever knew, even the “communist” ones are/were state capitalists

      • HugeNerd@lemmy.caEnglish
        112·
        2 天前

        As explained, the economics don’t matter. We seem wired to invent nonsense and hack each other to pieces because of myths.

            • mobyduck648@lemmy.worldEnglish
              611·
              2 天前

              I’m not even a Christian and this is a genuinely rubbish take, go and look up William Wilberforce for example.

              Edit: I feel that I really have to stress what I thought was obvious, the notion that every human being from behavioural modernity to the Enlightenment was mentally ill is so foolish on the face of it that it isn’t worth even entertaining even for the sake of argument.

              • HugeNerd@lemmy.caEnglish
                77·
                2 天前

                Yes, they were. I am mentally ill too, I am depressed, I am anxious, we all have some degree of what one generation ago was a mental illness and now isn’t.

                Mental illness doesn’t mean dysfunctional or crazy, but if you have a heart surgeon that’s also a Flat Earther, what do you call that?