• SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    11 hours ago

    I don’t know much about Japanese work or family culture, but… Why does everybody hate you, including your wife AND kids? Either you’re a giant piece of shit, or everybody else is.

    • tetris11@feddit.ukOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      11 hours ago

      I assumed it was the typical boomer “my family hates me” dynamic, a.k.a OP is indeed a shit

  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    36
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    2 days ago

    Be Japanese

    Have dead-end job in back of office

    No work to do, no upward mobility, no future opportunities

    Collect a steady paycheck every two weeks. Feels-Good-Man.jpg

    New PM takes office. Goes full MAGA nationalist. Picks trade wars. Starts fights with neighbors. Alienates people inside our own sphere of influence even.

    Oh shit, bros. Looks like its another All-Ramen month again.

        • hirihit640@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          14 hours ago

          So in your comment why did you call out just the new PM? And the LDP has dominated since 1955, so Japan did quite well under them too, for many years.

      • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        16 hours ago

        Her party (the LDP) has been in power (except for like 4 years) for 6 decades straight. Turns out classic liberals (ie conservatives) don’t have any answers when things start going to shit.

        • hirihit640@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          14 hours ago

          I just looked it up and 26 out of the nation’s 28 presidents have all been LDP. They have dominated since 1955.

          In other words, Japan has also seen tremendous growth under the LDP. So it seems a bit reductionist to judge the party based on the performance of the past 10 years.

      • tetris11@feddit.ukOP
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        20 hours ago

        I read the whole thing as a psyop from Russia and China. How to break up NATO? Get its members to disrespect each other

    • Zephyr@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      10
      ·
      1 day ago

      They can but it’s unusual. They have an honor system and expect people to quit. They’ll go as far as sticking people in a room with nothing to do and not able to sleep until they give up, essentially adult time out.

    • Rooster326@programming.dev
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      15
      ·
      edit-2
      1 day ago

      They expect to own you until the day you die.

      Interviewed for a job there. They asked how long I would want to work for them. Told them I’d absolutely love to work for them as long as they can host my visa, and I’d love to even become a citizen.

      That… Was not the right answer.

      The interview was over from them on.

      I still do not know what I said wrong. They don’t allow remote work so… Do they want me to become an illegal just to work for them?

    • Redditmodstouchgrass@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      11
      ·
      2 days ago

      I don’t know the full story, but that is apparently somewhat true. That’s why you’ll hear in games and manga that someone in a fairly auspicious position will get punished by cleaning toilets or something.

  • Tanis Nikana@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    150
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    2 days ago

    Yeah, no, when someone’s secluded, they’re often put in an empty room without so much as a window, and given literally nothing to do, but sit there. Can’t even have a phone out. It’d drive me mad enough to quit, and the same is true of lots of people.

    • toph@feddit.uk
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      14
      ·
      2 days ago

      This would be considered power harassment in Japan and you can sue for it. Companies try to do it anyways though.

    • zaphod@sopuli.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      53
      ·
      2 days ago

      It’d drive me mad enough to quit, and the same is true of lots of people.

      So you’re saying it works.

    • Waterpumpee@lemmus.org
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      29
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 days ago

      Not legal in countries where you cant outright fire people. You have to get them tasks. No phone out wouldnt be enforceable unless they sit you in a bunker with no connection.

      • LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        2 days ago

        Is it? It’s your boss’ duty to provide you with work and they cannot dock your pay (outside of special circumstances) if they don’t have work for you, but they can absolutely pay you to sit around and drink coffee in case work comes around.

        • ricecake@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          16 hours ago

          I believe what they’re saying is you can’t use work assignment to pressure someone to quit as a way around labor protections.

          As with a lot of legal stuff, the intent matters.

          • I Cast Fist@programming.dev
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            15
            ·
            2 days ago

            People gotta remember that Japan isn’t USA or Europe when it comes to worker rights, or most rights, really, and that justice in each country can vary wildly

            • Axolotl@feddit.it
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              20 hours ago

              Way are you telling me that Japan has worse worker rights than USA?? that’s wild, how the fuck can you fuck up more than the US of A

              • Demdaru@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                13 hours ago

                All I know are black companies where staff dies from exhaustion lol.

                On the other hand company cannot fire you easily and they do have special rooms for workers they wanna let go, with menial and useless jobs assigned to basically force you into quitting.

                Also quitting is so socially frowned upon that people hire other people to handle that for them.

              • I Cast Fist@programming.dev
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                3
                ·
                17 hours ago

                Way are you telling me that Japan has worse worker rights than USA

                I did not say nor implied that. I said that people should not expect worker rights, or any rights, to be universal among countries, much less the whole judicial process and its consequences.

                Whether Japanese worker rights are better or worse than USA/EU, I do not know.

            • atro_city@fedia.io
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              12
              ·
              2 days ago

              I should never fight for my rights. I might be perceived as somebody who fights for my rights.

                • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  ·
                  1 day ago

                  No, you prefer to be “realist.” Others have the will to fight. Any attempt to get others to conform to your lack of fight for workers rights is class sabotage.

                  Don’t be one of those wage slaves telling others not to fight for freedom because it’s illegal and the beatings aren’t that bad anyway.

    • RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      17
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      2 days ago

      In Japan, thats the whole point. The business will do this to make you quit instead of them firing you. They have whack employment laws.

      • jama211@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        2 days ago

        Sounds good in a way because you can take as long as you like applying for other jobs without losing your current income.

      • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        38
        ·
        edit-2
        2 days ago

        Nope. The same happened In Austria with our ex-state owned telecommunication business; because it was state owned before privatization, they had quite a lot of nearly unfireable workers outside of extreme circumstances - state businesses often used “pragmatization” to secure people they thought weren’t replaceable and to provide those people with security with a bit of a lower pay grade (at least it started that way - later on this system was ripe with corruption, using “pragmatization” as a bonus for people who were loyal to whomever).

        Those workers often had pretty high salaries in comparison to the newly arriving employees, accumulating pay raises for the last 20-30 years. And they didn’t want to leave their jobs, because many knew that their skillset was severely outdated and they would struggle to get another job at 50 years of age. The new owners had no use for them because they simply were too expensive and the large amount of unfireable personell dragged stock prices down.

        So these workers had to come in every workday, just to sit in an nearly empty room for 8 hours - no work, no entertainment, nothing. Even the most lethargic person gets depression, anxiety and desperation after a few years of that. If you stopped coming in, they actually had leverage to get rid of you. If you called in sick, i heard of quite a lot of cases where they tried to make sure that they really were sick, because if not, it would be a fireable offense.

        One of my uncles was one of the people just sitting in the “Pool”, as it was called. He was NOT happy, but he was one of the few people who actually still had some useful skills even in a modernized telecom company (there’s always need for people who are able and willing to competently work on phone lines high up on poles, and at that time nearly every phone line was copper cabling, VoIP was just starting to spread), and later on was able to at least get assigned some normal work, but most people who were sitting in the “pool” surrendered sooner or later when getting offered a golden handshake.

  • DaPorkchop_ [they/she/it]@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    66
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    2 days ago

    fake: anon has a wife
    gay: anon is punished by his boss and likes it, which is clearly a euphemism for the forbidden but very kinky relationship between anon and his boss

  • atro_city@fedia.io
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    38
    arrow-down
    6
    ·
    2 days ago

    WHY IS NOBODY CREATING MORE MEAT FOR THE MACHINE!?!?!?

    Politicians unable to get people to make fuck trophies because they can’t afford crap, have to slave away until they’re 70, return to a shoe box as a home, breathe polluted air from birth to death, and survive a burning planet.

    No idea why people don’t want to pump out more than 2.1 units per woman. It’s a total mystery!

    • DeepRoots@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      28
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      2 days ago

      I agree with you but people who call other humans fuck trophies or crotch goblins are usually just the fucking worst most insufferable people ever.

      • atro_city@fedia.io
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        11
        arrow-down
        8
        ·
        2 days ago

        My entire message is filled with hyperbole and you go “all the other stuff is fine, but I draw the line at ‘fuck trophy’”. You’re the type of person who will break up a peaceful demonstration because somebody wore the wrong clothes that day.

        The enemy of good, the friend of perfect.

        • DeepRoots@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          1 day ago

          holy straw man.

          You don’t think I should call human children fuck trophy’s? You must be pro police brutality.

          Jfc I clocked you perfectly it seems.

          • atro_city@fedia.io
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            1 day ago

            Sure you did. What are you, a cop that pulls over minorities by “clocking” them by instinct? GTFO

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      2 days ago

      No idea why people don’t want to pump out more than 2.1 units per woman.

      People living in significantly worse conditions have historically produced significantly more children.

      But the modern post-industrial lifestyle discourages people from having children primarily because of easy access to birth control. That means you can fuck without risk of having babies. For young people, this is a no-brainer. Condom use, UIDs, and hormonal birth control have tanked teenage/early-20s birth rates everywhere it has been introduced. Combine this with good health care, globally, and many people no longer fear they will lose half their children to some infant malady or childhood accident. Low Child Mortality -> Lower Propensity to Have Kids.

      If you want higher rates of reproduction in your population, you need younger people having babies. And you need more people convinced that the kids they do have won’t live to see adulthood.

      Say what you will about the current Trump government, but we’re definitely moving in those directions.

      • atro_city@fedia.io
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        1 day ago

        Right-wing bullshit propaganda. Freedumb of screech for beta males who can’t recognise they’re being controlled by wealthy, Christian nationalists, but freedom of choice for women is a problem.

        The earlier women have kids, the greater the chance they will not have a degree, be successful earlier in their carrier and the greater risk of being controlled, and that’s exactly your goal. You and your kind just want obedient, subservient women who don’t talk back and suck your tiny stinky peckers when you need it.

        Keep your pedophile hands away from the kids. Grow a modicum of self-respect to stop bending over backwards to suck Epstein class dick and spreading their filthy propaganda.

        • Fizz@lemmy.nz
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          23 hours ago

          Fucken hell, its not right wing to want a birth rate above replacement. I swear you people are hell bent on occupying the most unpopular positions of all time.

          • atro_city@fedia.io
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            21 hours ago

            I swear you people are hell bent on occupying the most unpopular positions of all time.

            LMAO. yes, you pedophiles are occupying the most popular opinions of all time “fuck the kids (literally) and take away their contraception, mkay”

  • Gork@sopuli.xyz
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    51
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    2 days ago

    The entire not leaving until your boss leaves (who also must leave after her boss leaves) leads to a chain where only the CEO gets off first, leading to the really toxic 14 hour days. At least layoffs don’t seem to be as prevalent there.