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Man europe hates Americans as much as they hate Romani people
When I went to Japan I didn’t tip because it was rude.
If I’ll go to USA I won’t tip unless I want to because expecting tips is rude.
America has entered the smug European fucking over the locals phase of being a third world country
Do waiters in Europe get paid a living wage and live comfortably? Serious question
Fun fact: These states require tippable workers to be paid the full minimum wage:
- Alaska
- California
- Guam
- Minnesota
- Nevada
- Oregon
Source: Department of Labor - Minimum Wages for Tipped Employees
Will never happen. All this will do is fuck service workers over.
Wow keep it up
Be honest; No one that would travel from Europe to the World Cup cares one bit about social issues.
Of course not, the tip is just viewed as an additional surcharge and they don’t want to spend that money. The social issue is very likely, if at all, just an after-the-fact rationalisation/justification.
We’re coming to the US to see the fall of rome, my dude.
The collapse of your nation is our spectacle.
Smile, you’re on TV! :)
If you’re going to the US, you’re supporting whatever is going on over there. It makes you worse than the many people in the US that were born there for no fault of their own, now trying to work against it.
Schadenfreude, while very natural, is bad enough by itself, actually increasing the Schaden is even worse. So I’m not sure exactly what you’d be celebrating, except your own shittyness.
And I’m not from the US, so “my” nation isn’t even the one you’re talking about.
They are only supporting the kind of people who vote Trump. Fuck Europe.
It’s rough seeing how smug europeans are about american fascism when every time you look at european news you see their own fascist splinter groups gaining more political traction with none of them really doing anything about it. Maybe worry about yourselves before worrying about us, right?
You are not wrong, but fucking all american shit comes here with a 10 year delay for some reason (obesity, economic crisis, far right/proto fascism, anti vax, neoliberalism, the list goes on and on and on) so maybe that’s why people like to have a go at your country when it looks like you’re beating up yourselves while making it a spectacle.
I hope you’ll finally figure it out, good luck!
Unfortunately, the US regularly intervenes in foreign countries’ affairs, so it’s not possible and geopolitically pretty stupid to not worry about the US. You can worry about both, though.
You can worry about both, though.
The issue is they aren’t. They just complain about the US and ignore their own country moving down that path. When they have the best ability to prevent it from getting bad early.
You know that almost all far right parties in Europe get money from the MAGAts, right?
And MAGAts got their money from far right Europeans. What’s your point?
Uhhuh sure buddy. Lets pretend its spooky secretive europeans funding the american fascism parties.
Yeah. It’s interesting they all working together (despite being nationalistic) sending each other funds, and they all have a very positive view towards Russia.
I’m surprised there people who believe it is all organic.
About a decade ago, Steve Bannon very overtly came to Europe with money from the Koch Foundation openly to “Fund Far-Right parties”.
In many places in Europe the rise of the Far-Right happened after that.
Similarly, in Britain it turned out that most of the social media manipulation in favor of Leave was done by Cambridge Analitica, a British company which was being paid to do it by wealthy Americans.
America actively funds the Far-Right in Europe, especially the anti-EU crowd since EU member nations were a lot easier to push around by America and American interests individually, than they are grouped into the EU (even if parts of the EU, such as the EU Commission, have pretty much sold themselves out to large American companies)
Funded by not Americans.
No being a fucking billionaire South African who can go wherever he wants isn’t an American. There’s multiple of those people, even!
Yeah they love pointing at European fascism but being remarkably blind at drawing the connections themselves.
Your country started that. And because your double agent of a president is Putin’s pawn, guess what? Putin received leeway to muddy Europe’s water too, with an unstoppable hybrid war. Every news article, every forum, every community I used to visit is now filled with bots that, as soon as politics is mentioned, chimes in about the “rapist immigrants that are stealing your job” and how “Europe is a failed continent that’ll turn your kids trans/gay”.
It’s hilarious, isn’t it? US and Russia shit on ME and Africa, which causes a huge wave of political and war refugees/economic immigrants to run from the horrors that YOUR country is responsible for.
And instead of us trying to think how to handle the piece of shit to the East, and how to protect our borders from illegal immigration, we have an ex-ally to the West, who is eyeing sovereign European territory.
And you have the audacity to call us smug? No, we are just familiar with history and evil men in power.
And so you take it out on waiters?
I don’t.
This guy is right on the money btw. You may not like it, but it be like it do.
Truth is often uncomfortable
Europe invented fascism I don’t care :)
Now, the standard American reply. A snide remark.
Your ignorance is astounding.
Stop with this nonsense Trump is a continuation of a long tradition of American imperialism not a “Russian puppet”.
Yeah, you might be right. Team world police. Look how upvoted the American comment is, but as soon as you point out that they’ve been bombing brown people for the past 60 years, they get cunty
Yeah but then they don’t get to circlejerk about how superior they are.
The problem is that the 340 million people there are incredibly diverse. While a large part would circlejerk about how superior they are, another large part wouldn’t. It’s easy and fun to lump all Americans together, and even mandated by our brains inability to process such large numbers, but doing it always unfortunately alienates the ones that do not exhibit the traits you ridicule.
It’s so much better (and useful) to just ridicule the traits/behaviors themselves instead of the relatively unrelated nationality. There’s nationalists and smug superiority everywhere.
Jesus christ your nation as a nation is a plague on the world and there’s nothing strange about calling that out. You people always hide behind “not everyone in the Third Reich is a nazi!”, well gee, my bad, go right ahead then!
So those girls in Iran had it coming. Got it.
We don’t circlejerk about how “superior” we are, even if it feels that way.
We’re usually dunking on you for being a bunch of violent, dumb fuckheads.
I wouldn’t go there because I don’t have an X or twitter for them to interrogate my opinions… and I’m far too jokey to not upset people and get myself in trouble with people in “authority”.
I’ve gotta wait out the American decline until some time after Balkanisation and they start removing some of the guns. Honestly, it seems about as sensible as going to do tourism in the congo.
Join in with us, pass the popcorn then.
You won’t see less guns following a civil war.
Celebrating other people’s misery is the reason humans could never get along in the first place. It’s tribalism, same thing they’ve used for thousands of years to divide people.
Don’t worry, European countries have their own fascism problem, not far behind the U.S.
Then we can all be miserable together.
And this will be the first time in history that fascists in power have access to a fully-immersive (and inescapable) digital panopticon complete with AI to process more data that humans would be capable of doing unassisted, and adding concerningly high rates of hallucinations on top of it, even aside from the biases and spins that are baked into their algorithms…
Oh and military technology has come a long way since the last time fascists gained enough influence to threaten the world order…
This isn’t going to be good if we can’t all pull ourselves out of this death spiral before it’s too late…
Why’d you assume he’s from the US?
Send in the Goths, and hurry!
Jesus Christ you clap for your own demise.
Sounds of cheering when the America is glassing the sandbox
The boomerang is coming home and the schadenfreude is too enticing.
Lol dumbass doesn’t understand his country is comming with. Where you live dope? I’ll give you an in depth economic breakdown of how you’re fucked even if your entire retirement account is rheinmetal
lol, you’re “comming” at me with rage and bluster and illiteracy. Get fucked moron.
How you invested bud?
I track a daily ETF of your mother, your sister and your father.
So you don’t even have money to invest. Good luck 🥲
Also, all the bars and restaurants started tacking a 20% “tip” straight into the bill instead of making it voluntary.
I wouldn’t blame them after these reports. Need to hold rude Europeans accountable.
Or you know. Fuck tipping culture instead of paying your employees. The bar is charging $8 for 80 cents of bottom shelf booze in a mixed drink and right now they’re swamped in business with people racking up hundreds in drinks and bar food. You don’t think they could afford to bonus out their staff?
Fuck you.
You dont have to come here shit bag. Nice job proving magats right about how awful forgeners are.
oh look. Someone who thinks they earned an extra $20 for walking over a couple plates, when other people did all the work preparing it.
Literally the only people against getting rid of tipping and making the owners pay a real wage are the wait staff. They don’t want to pay taxes on everything they make, and they know that they’d make less money if they were just paid by the hour.
They even got greedy as hell trying to push the normal up to 20% or more. The standard tip used to be between 10% and 15% for decades. The price of food and eating out has gone up with inflation, so why would that percentage need to change?
Tell me you never worked in a restaurant without saying you never worked in a restaurant
I’m not saying they couldn’t, I’m saying they won’t. You’re happy to patronize those locations and give the owners $8/drink but not pay the staff.
Fuck you, friend.
Not a single one?
Can’t support corrupt organizations and regimes and also claim to be socially aware. Mutual exclusivity.
No ethical consumption under capitalism. Can believe workers should be paid by the business owner and not by patron tips and believe that going to a world cup match to watch your country play your favorite sport is no worse than shopping at a big box store or paying your landlord.
It’s a big world mate and I can’t always be aware of every shitty thing going on at all times. Not only for logistical reasons, but also for mental health reasons.
I didn’t state that you must know everything, but you can’t claim to be aware of social issues if you’re willfully ignorant.
I don’t think the definitive no one is true. While a lot of them couldn’t care less. I’m sure there are some that do.
Don’t hurt fellow workers unless you’re a capitalist.
If you don’t like tipping culture, don’t screw the worker while inconveniencing the restaurant not at all. Boycott the restaurants unless they pay fair wages. Go to the grocery store. Plenty of good meals to be found there.
A tip is meant to be “Here’s an extra $10, I know you’re already getting paid a living wage, but you went above and beyond and were the star show the show, you deserve it.” That’s not what we have in the USA, we have some broken tipped minimum wage that makes it feel like an obligation. It’s broken.
As much as I hate tipping (I also don’t get paid extra money for simply doing my fucking job), it is different in third world countries like the USA (a large country in north america, close to Canada and Mexico), which lacks fundamental human rights and a social security system. There, waiters in restaurants usually need tips for earning a living wage as restaurant owners do not or barely pay them. Therefore, tipping is not only polite but also necessary to not additionally punish workers for a system they are barely responsible for. Let’s hope that civilised countries start development projects in the USA in order to improve the system and living conditions of these people.
Political change is difficult as the USA is stuck in a quasi-democratic two-party system that is currently developing towards a dictatorship. But maybe through enough time and effort we can help this country and it’s people to get on a better track.
I went to the US in 2024 and it was outrageous, every card terminal asked for it
I was under the impression it was just for sit down meals and not stuff like Starbucks or non food related things
It is just for sit down meals and personal service. If someone is handling your car or your luggage or delivering food to your house, or cutting your hair that’s personal service.
The kiosks ask because they can blame the software and get away with it.
What you are describing is a major contributor to tip fatigue. Everything is asking for a tip, meanwhile actual tipped employees are still making $2 an hour. It’s out of control.
Hold up, you’re missing some nuance and it’s gonna make Europeans in here believe it’s true. In the US, any job can collect tips, it’s literally free extra money for no extra work so that’s why you see the tip option everywhere. That said, not all positions which collect tips get the service industry $2 minimum wage.
Most positions such as barista, hair stylist, etc get paid minimum wage plus they get whatever tips you give pay them. These positions typically get minimum wage because, despite there being a tip option, most people don’t tip significantly (hair stylist might depending on the type, but their base fees are already very high). Think of these as your $1 tip category, it’s people who you aren’t socially obligated to tip, don’t expect a tip, get paid at least minimum wage regardless of your tip, and contribute to tip fatigue.
The other tip group are full tip positions, such as waiter or bartender. These positions get $2 an hour unless they fail to get enough tips on average to meet the $7 minimum wage. Realistically, if they aren’t getting at least $7 minimum in tips then they are going to leave or get fired long term. These positions you are socially obligated to tip and they expect a tip. Strangely enough, some of the biggest proponents for this tipping position are the people that work in this field, career waiters and bartenders, because despite the very low potential income it also has a fairly high potential income for a low skill job depending on a lot of different factors. This is your percentage tip category.
The $1 tip category won’t go away, no matter how annoying it is, because it’s literally free money and no one expects you to do it (and if they do feel free to laugh in their face and never give them business again). The % tip category also probably won’t go away because it allows the business to shift costs to the customer and the people in the career support it.
You might wonder why people in the % tip category would support it, it’s because it’s a low technical skill job (hard work only), a lot of the tips are tax free, people who don’t like it leave the career, and it often attracts certain types of people (perhaps neurodivergent is the right word, but I really mean the type of people who don’t want a 9-5 Mon-Fri job).
Yes, but you can’t just ask someone “Do you make minimum wage? I need to know so I can decide how much to tip.”
I don’t know how much is normal to tip at some places. At restaurants, 20% is standard, ±5% depending on quality of service.
But at a coffee shop or a hairdresser or anywhere else like that, when the prompt for a tip comes up, I’d feel guilty to put anything lower than 20% because that’s how I’m programmed to feel about tipping. It would feel rude to press “no tip” or just $1 or just 5%. But also, cognitively I know 20% is too much for those roles because they already make at least minimum wage. But asking “what’s the normal amount to tip” seems rude too.
So I usually end up overtipping, even when it puts a strain on my finances. And that moves the overton window and begins to ingrain the obligation into cultural expectations. And that’s precisely what the vendors want to happen. They want you to feel guilty so you tip too much, so that it becomes normal to tip too much and people have the option of “no tip” gradually taken away from them.
That’s why in Europe when you use those american POS machines, the staff will click “no tip” for you before even handing you the machine. One, because they don’t want to guilt you into tipping, and two because they don’t want tipping culture to sneak into their societies. Because if it does, not only will it become a social obligation that no one wants, but it could also potentially give employers permission down the line to start paying less, the way they do in the US.
European wait staff like being payed a living wage without relying on tips. And you can feel the difference. They’re not nearly as stressed out as servers in the US, and the interactions feel more genuine because they don’t need to kowtow or be obsequious.
When it comes to % tips, back in the day the base number was 15%, I personally feel like that isn’t enough today. I start with 20% and then deduct for poor service (EDIT: it takes some pretty poor service for me to deduct at all, I would say 95% of the time I leave a 20% tip), I never leave zero tip, but I will leave a bad tip, and if I keep having bad service I just won’t come back. I would say my floor for a % tip is 10%. If service is so bad that I wouldn’t leave even that, then I have and will stand up and leave early. This is the kind of situation where I ordered a soda, 30 minutes passed, and the waiter never came back. Hey, I’m out, here is $5 for the soda and I’m probably never coming back here.
As to when I % tip, my personal rule is that it’s only for seated service which I qualify as the following: Someone seats me, someone comes to the table and takes my order, someone comes to the table to refill drinks and bring my food, and someone comes to clean the table when I leave. If any of these is not happening then I probably am not going to % tip. Did I have to order from a counter, did I have to go get my food, did I have to fill my own drink, did I have to dispose of the waste myself? There are certainly exceptions to this rationale, but I would say 90% of the time it works.
Some area for nuance is fair. If I sat myself, ordered from a counter but a lady brought it out to me, and she filled up my drink, but I threw the tray contents away I might leave her a few bucks if I have cash, but won’t feel like I have to. Another good rule is that if you have to pay before the service is completed then I’m not tipping 99% of the time.
hairdresser or anywhere else like that, when the prompt for a tip comes up,
Hairdressers are a bit special and depend on the type. If you’re a white man going for a 15 min buzz cut and paid $20, no tip. If you are a black woman with 2 feet of hand braided hair and you are getting your hair done every 3 weeks (unbraid, cut, wash, dry, maybe color?, condition, rebraid), that hair styling is like 4+ hours of work, their fee is probably $300+ and you will probably tip them $50+ easily.
the staff will click “no tip” for you before even handing you the machine.
Hehehehe, in the US sometimes those fuckers will push the 25% before handing it to you. I get feeling bad, but it’s important to set rules for what you think is fair and then follow them, even if that means telling them to take the check back and put in a different %. I’ll go one better, back in college a group of friends went out and due to our party size the establishment automatically added a 15% tip. One of my friends laughed and told the waiter to take his check back and to redo the tip, the waiter was at first like, “Sorry sir, but our policy is to add 15% to all groups of 8 or more” but my friend said, “No, you were a great waiter and I want to tip you 20%, but you didn’t give me any place to do that on this bill.”
European wait staff like being payed a living wage without relying on tips. And you can feel the difference. They’re not nearly as stressed out as servers in the US, and the interactions feel more genuine because they don’t need to kowtow or be obsequious.
I think this is a great point and hits on part of the problem. American service staff is a career of delusion, similar to construction. On paper they see they can make X amount of money, but they never do, they don’t think they need benefits because they’re young and healthy, and they think they will be as fit as they are in their 20’s forever but they won’t. Construction and service alike are exploitative and they aren’t in a healthy place, but withholding tips from the worker doesn’t fix that situation and just hurts the employee.
barista
Wow. I’m in Australia and the person who gets most of my tips is a barista, anywhere
I generally empty my change in the tip jar if they have one and the service is good. I believe in tipping good service
100% agree and that’s why people do give the barista a dollar or two. If your drink was $5 then 20% works out to be about a dollar, but it’s different from servers who get 20% on $40. At least in the US, if you frequent somewhere, especially if you are a recognized regular, then you should tip because people will remember it.
But in the end it comes down to: FUCK YOU PAY YOUR FUCKING STAFF
Staff are paid though? I think I’m having trouble with understanding what your specific complaint is? Are you from the US?
If I was in the US, and I bought a coffee equivalent to what my local gives me, I’d happily tip regardless of culture or wage. The cafe down the road is insanely good, but there’s not a lot of bad coffee around here.
I would say that experiences vary greatly and there are plenty of discerning people who appreciate great coffee. Local coffee shops in the US are plentiful, but we perhaps get a bad reputation because of McDonalds and Starbucks. There is something to be said for just wanting a coffee or espresso right now quickly without too much regard for quality or price, that’s where McDonalds and Starbucks reign. Personally, I never order from either because their coffee and espresso is bad IMO. Now, my local coffee joint (which is a local place that operates out of a shack with a drive through) makes great coffee and I always give them a dollar or two.
In the USA, it is illegal for anyone to make less than federal minimum wage. If a tipped employee does not earn tips, the employer must make up the difference. To not do so is wage theft and illegal.
It doesn’t work on a per-shift basis. If they work a slow, below-minimun weekday and a busy, above-minimum weekend, they aren’t bumped up on the weekday. What actually happens is their weekend is counted against their weekday. Many shifts they do in fact walk out with sub-minimum wages that do not get corrected.
It’s a system that’s great for the rockstars is busy urban areas pulling in hundreds of dollars a shift. For everyone else in the industry, not so much.
“But overall they’re making above minimum.”
While true, it’s similar to a laborer working a 12 hour shift and not getting any OT because they’re under 40 for the week and OT doesn’t kick in until hour 41. They still worked a 12 hour shift and 4 of those hours should have been OT, but due to how the hours are counted their employer is able to avoid the payout.
In conclusion, mono means one, and rail means the capital is fucking over the working class.
My fucking girlfriend always asks me if I tip when we get counter service and there’s a prompt on the pos, and I can’t get thru to her that unless it’s sit down, a bar, or delivery I don’t tip unless there’s an actual reason to do so.
I fucking hate that there’s a cultural guilt in this country of wasting 15-20% extra on food to uphold a fucking post-slavery jim crow policy.
Exactly. When it comes to food service, if all you did was make it and bring it to the counter, that’s all just rolled into the price of the meal. If you’re bringing it to my house or refilling my drinks and taking empty plates away while I sit and enjoy myself, then that’s beyond the meal itself and I’ll happily tip for that service.
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somewhere around 2020 everyone and their mother starting asking for tips, even places that don’t pay tip-based wages. it’s just pure corporate greed over here. my guess is that it’s on by default by the payment processors and most people don’t turn it off.
Didn’t they have self checkouts that asked for tips at some point?
🤯
Not sure where you live but this is now also the case in Germany
UK, a few chains tried it here but I imagine it was enough to drive people away so you don’t see it much anymore
Fortunately, I have never encountered a tip asking card terminal in northern Germany. When I tip, I do it cash anyways. Tips don’t go to the boss…
Yep, in Berlin they’re fucking everywhere. There are also a lot American tourists/immigrants now who happily tip 20% or 25%, so it has slowly become more and more standard in the last 10 years. Kill me now…
Really? I have seen a tip window on a card terminal maybe once or twice within the last year.
I also find our German tipping culture pretty okay. Tips usually aren’t expected but welcome. Usually you just round up a bit. A 10% tip is still considered a good tip.
It’s nowhere near as bad as in the USSame. I’m in southwest Germany and I can’t remember the last time I saw a tip screen at a card terminal.
Finland and nearby countries, I remember seeing a tip question in a terminal once in my entire life. And the UI was so confusing that I probably managed to tip 2 cents or something by accident.
That’s because businesses use POS machines with american software. It’s all over Europe now, but usually the staff will click “no tip” before handing it to you, because they don’t want tipping culture sneaking in and threatening their livable wage.
This is a product of the myriad of unconfigured PoS systems. If you just Google shit you’re supposed to tip for before going into a country, you should be good to go. It’s the same thing I do when I travel. While I do agree that the tipping culture sucks, I think it’s more rude as a visitor to completely ignore social norms and constructs.
Travelers who aren’t tipping are just stiffing a waiter who is working their ass off during the busiest time for their establishment and probably making that person sour on whatever country they’re from. I can’t realistically see how this path leads to meaningful change or righteousness.
It is, you can just put 0 for those things. I think they market those devices doing that as an opportunity for an upcharge.
Fuck anyone who went to the World Cup and fuck their opinion about anything.
Yes fuck fifa, sportsball and the world cup…
It is very funny though.
Honestly, there’s nothing funny about any of this.
There was nothing funny about joking about glassing the middle east or invading europe, but here we are.
Yeah, like I said, “any of this” includes that. Watching the US becoming the Nazis is not entertainment when you know it means people will suffer, not just the people you think should suffer.
Fuck fifa and the world cup yes absolutely; fuck sportsball ehh in its current form yes but no in general.
Local sportsball leagues? Sure.
National televised sportsball? Just a vehicle for gambling and societal division.
Sportsball is just a war surrogate anyway.
Before you say this is great, remember that those people willingly traveled to the US for a fascist event.
Any way the US could keep them?
Tell someone in uniform they have drugs. The president will shoot their plane down.
