As much as I hate tipping (I also don’t get paid extra money for simply doing my fucking job), it is different in third world countries like the USA (a large country in north america, close to Canada and Mexico), which lacks fundamental human rights and a social security system. There, waiters in restaurants usually need tips for earning a living wage as restaurant owners do not or barely pay them. Therefore, tipping is not only polite but also necessary to not additionally punish workers for a system they are barely responsible for. Let’s hope that civilised countries start development projects in the USA in order to improve the system and living conditions of these people.
Political change is difficult as the USA is stuck in a quasi-democratic two-party system that is currently developing towards a dictatorship. But maybe through enough time and effort we can help this country and it’s people to get on a better track.
I’m sure workers get paid minimum regardless. Tips are a way for the employer to pay sub-minimum wage, as long as they add up above minimum wage in the end.
It’s a federal law…there are a lot of tip based restaurant workers out there who oppose the no tipping and get paid a wage. They can make a lot more via tips, than a salary. It’s a shit position we have in the US.
Absolutely. I think it depends on a few things though. Since federal minimum is still 7.25, any tipped employee in those states with no higher minimum would absolutely hate a salary unless there was still tipping culture. But also, as someone who worked in decent and shitty restaurants alike, the clientelle is a big decider. In a shitty place, I’d rather have a salary, because the people are so selfish and entitled that they refuse to tip if we didn’t serve something that was never on the menu, or think $2 is suitable for a $20-$50 meal. In a better place, where tips are more consistent and proportional, tips are a better choice.
If you don’t tip, the waiter literally paid for your meal. You’re stealing. It’s very fucked up to not tip. Employees will spit in or step on your food if you’re known not to tip.
We are not developing towards a dictatorship. We have an electoral college. Our presidents have always been decided for us, and our vote for presidency is and always has been merely performative.
I know you probably think you’re joking by calling us a third world country, you think you’re being cute. There are places in the US which are more impoverished than in India, for example West Virginia and Mississippi. I know this because I have heard this comment from Indian doctors who come to the US, both in person and in filmed interviews.
It’s so crazy to me that Europeans and other foreigners buy into propaganda intended for Americans and then get mad at a total fantasy. The America they think they know does not exist. Edit: This is especially annoying when they try to tell us “vote your way out of it,” holy fuck
No, it does not exist at all in any context for anyone who is “actually” American and bound to the land. The ultra wealthy are stateless, they can and do live overseas part-time or full-time even if they have American citizenship.
What do you mean? I know some somewhat wealthy people, but I don’t think middle-class wealthy people aren’t dealing with a different layer of the same bullshit
You do know that a lot of people don’t have the option to choose? There is only a limited availability of jobs and sometimes no suitable alternative.
Also, given how it’s legal in the USA to actively suppress the formation of unions, which could make things maybe a tiny little bit better, your comment seems really ignorant of the realities a lot of people have to live in.
People like you do. You expect these restaurants to be open and available when convenient for you to eat at them, but at the same time don’t want them to make a living wage.
It’s the same argument as “Minimum wage is supposed to be for high school kids” while wanting McDonald’s at 10am on a Tuesday.
As much as I hate tipping (I also don’t get paid extra money for simply doing my fucking job), it is different in third world countries like the USA (a large country in north america, close to Canada and Mexico), which lacks fundamental human rights and a social security system. There, waiters in restaurants usually need tips for earning a living wage as restaurant owners do not or barely pay them. Therefore, tipping is not only polite but also necessary to not additionally punish workers for a system they are barely responsible for. Let’s hope that civilised countries start development projects in the USA in order to improve the system and living conditions of these people.
Political change is difficult as the USA is stuck in a quasi-democratic two-party system that is currently developing towards a dictatorship. But maybe through enough time and effort we can help this country and it’s people to get on a better track.
I’m sure workers get paid minimum regardless. Tips are a way for the employer to pay sub-minimum wage, as long as they add up above minimum wage in the end.
It’s a federal law…there are a lot of tip based restaurant workers out there who oppose the no tipping and get paid a wage. They can make a lot more via tips, than a salary. It’s a shit position we have in the US.
Absolutely. I think it depends on a few things though. Since federal minimum is still 7.25, any tipped employee in those states with no higher minimum would absolutely hate a salary unless there was still tipping culture. But also, as someone who worked in decent and shitty restaurants alike, the clientelle is a big decider. In a shitty place, I’d rather have a salary, because the people are so selfish and entitled that they refuse to tip if we didn’t serve something that was never on the menu, or think $2 is suitable for a $20-$50 meal. In a better place, where tips are more consistent and proportional, tips are a better choice.
On point, but “quasi-democratic” is a bit over the top.
(American here, it’s not democratic at all really)
If you don’t tip, the waiter literally paid for your meal. You’re stealing. It’s very fucked up to not tip. Employees will spit in or step on your food if you’re known not to tip.
We are not developing towards a dictatorship. We have an electoral college. Our presidents have always been decided for us, and our vote for presidency is and always has been merely performative.
I know you probably think you’re joking by calling us a third world country, you think you’re being cute. There are places in the US which are more impoverished than in India, for example West Virginia and Mississippi. I know this because I have heard this comment from Indian doctors who come to the US, both in person and in filmed interviews.
I know this because I’ve driven through rural Georgia. It’s like going back in time.
It’s so crazy to me that Europeans and other foreigners buy into propaganda intended for Americans and then get mad at a total fantasy. The America they think they know does not exist. Edit: This is especially annoying when they try to tell us “vote your way out of it,” holy fuck
America is huge, some of that fantasy exists, it’s just very expensive.
No, it does not exist at all in any context for anyone who is “actually” American and bound to the land. The ultra wealthy are stateless, they can and do live overseas part-time or full-time even if they have American citizenship.
Dude, I live in Seattle, it totally exists for people below billionaire.
What do you mean? I know some somewhat wealthy people, but I don’t think middle-class wealthy people aren’t dealing with a different layer of the same bullshit
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Noone forces these workers to work there. The problem is that they consciously agree to this
You do know that a lot of people don’t have the option to choose? There is only a limited availability of jobs and sometimes no suitable alternative.
Also, given how it’s legal in the USA to actively suppress the formation of unions, which could make things maybe a tiny little bit better, your comment seems really ignorant of the realities a lot of people have to live in.
We’re really getting the third word experience now.
People like you do. You expect these restaurants to be open and available when convenient for you to eat at them, but at the same time don’t want them to make a living wage.
It’s the same argument as “Minimum wage is supposed to be for high school kids” while wanting McDonald’s at 10am on a Tuesday.
Primus~ “Rent is a week late, I have to get a job now, anything!”
Secundus~ “No one forces you to live in an apartment and eat food”
Primus~ “Yeah, you got me, you win the argument. You are the debate master!” (everyone claps)