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If you want to know why lefties lose you need only look at the comments critical of this post.
It’s absolutely valid to be displeased by how center or right-leaning the “left-wing” candidates are. But you have to accept that only supporting your perfect candidate is just going to keep pushing all candidates to the right as they lose.
If you want to know why lefties lose
There’s barely any social studies in the country, you’d think we didn’t have an electoral college the way people think voting works
Technically, this could move in the opposite direction.
It just never does, for some reason.
Maybe it never happens because the people who say they would vote for the “true” left don’t vote?
How could it in a dichotomy of progressivism vs conservatism? The suppressed side will always be the progressive side because progress will always threaten the elite that are propped up by the current system and the elites will almost always have unequal and overwhelming power relative to everyone else. The system is deeply flawed for you and I, but not for musk, gates, and Zuckerberg and as a result they will fight hard to keep things the same with their disproportionate amount of resources
Especially so when the flawed system is designed to create oligarchs, so even if all 900 or so billionaires died tonight they’d rapidly be replaced (and likely lead to even more wealth concentration once the dust settles)
It’s almost like political hierarchies run by the Epstein class and centrists prefer conservatism over progress.
Or, now here me out, Dems could run a platform people want to vote for?
That’s the joke. The vote blue no matter who enables fascists, so saying it’s what they fear is funny.
But then how would the billionaire keep their money?
Please tell me this is ironic
It’s not
It would be if I reposted it
Gang, this isn’t complicated. You fight the Democratic establishment 364 days a year. On election day you pick the lesser evil, which hopefully all that fighting you did made much less evil. We have an archaic election system, and until that changes (work to change it), that’s the best path forward.
As an non-american, how this is not crystal clear even for the most hardcore communists is an absolute mystery to me.
Civics education is bad to nonexistent so they do not learn about the spoiler effect, let alone the inevitable math behind first past the post elections. People vote based on how they think the system ought to function instead of how it actually functions.
As a non-american, here in my country leftists vote for many different parties, each too small to actually pass the threshold
In other words, voting isn’t enough: it’s merely the first step. After “your guys” are in power, you should bully them into keeping their promises and doing more
fight the Democratic establishment 364 days a year
just to be accused of supporting teh republicans? i mean i’ll do it, but lets be honest: the democrat supporters aren’t trying to have a good faith discussion about the shortcomings of the party.
You gotta fight from within. “I’ve voted Democrat and will continue to support the party, but [insert list of grievances]” plays a lot better than “I do not understand how US election work so I helped get Trump elected, now give me what I want”.
I voted Democrat but they don’t get a blank check from me. I’ll support them when they are worth it.
Fellas please, an election is not the time and place to make your voice heard.
You must have missed this part where you are making your voice heard by picking the least bad option, so here it is again:
On election day you pick the lesser evil, which hopefully all that fighting you did made much less evil.
Or maybe you’re confused about how things ought to be versus how they actually are, that too was covered:
We have an archaic election system, and until that changes (work to change it), that’s the best path forward.
On election day you pick the lesser evil
I cannot stomach voting for someone who sent billions to commit genocide with. That is my voice, and my opinion. What should I do with that on election day, you think?
Worry less about election day and more about those 364 days.
No, I think I will worry about election day, thank you very much. Voting is one of the most important ways to steer politicians toward working for your benefit. So please tell me, in your world view, what should I do with my voice and opinion on election day?
Bonus question: if you guarantee your vote to a party, regardless of what they do (such as commit a genocide, such as expand ICE, such as building the border wall, such as keeping Guantanamo bay open, such as never taxing the rich more, and so on), what incentive do they have to listen to you? And follow up, if your answer is that democrats do still work for the electorate, why are they moving further and further right, away from the interests and opinions of most Americans? (This is measurable, see for examples the 2014 paper Testing theories of American politics which found that policy positions of politicians align perfectly with those of economic elites, and only with that of average voters really only by accident)
Get called a trumper 364 days a year by people who love how much like trump the democratic establishment is constantly trying to become.
Fun story, my second-to-last straw with Reddit was being banned from r/democrats for saying Biden should not seek a second term (too old) and they need to hold a primary. I said this repeatedly starting about a year before the election and was called all manner of terrible things while accumulating loads of up and downvotes. When the time for a primary passed I pivoted my message to: Biden should retire (play up a medical issue) so we have the first female president and she has the incumbent bump for the election. I was banned with the message “Shut up, Biden is going to get a second term. Deal with it [inappropriate language].” twelve days before Biden dropped out.
Are they still refusing to admit Mamdani exists?
Work to change it, how?
By illegally taking away capital from the people illegally fighting back against that change?
You’re not in a democracy, stop solving your problems democratically
By backing AOC and other progressives.
How is the United States not a democracy?
(1)In a democracy the people elect a representative of their ideology to govern them in fair elections
(2)Both parties in the US in the 21st century start wars on foreign countries, lie about policies, submit to corrupt lobbying
(3)Both parties in the US are not representative of the people of the US
(4)The US is not a democracy
Which of these is wrong?
(4) because both parties are elected to power by voters
4 is deduced from 1,2,3 the deduction is just using definition and the fact both parties lead to the same outcome to come to a contradiction
Both parties have been elected (1), both led to (2), both aren’t representative (3), You can’t blame voters if they have no power over the outcome, there’s no democracy in US
If the point you’re trying to make is that outcome is irrelevant and only voting itself is what constitutes a democracy then this needs to be applied to other countries as well, North Korea is a democracy
Both parties definitely don’t lead to the same outcome. One party supports cutting welfare for the poor and the other party doesn’t.
The voters absolutely have power over the outcome. They voluntarily chose Trump over Harris in 2024.
North Korea is a one party “democracy”. In the United States, you have multiple parties, more than the two that most people voluntarily vote for.
It’s a gradient. Did you get to decide who you’re allowed to vote for? Do they represent your actual interests? Do you have a say over what happens in your city or your workplace?
Stuff like that
Congress very much decides what happens in cities and workplaces afaik
Your vote doesn’t fucking matter, that’s how
Is that why Trump won?
Trump won because the billionaires who own this country saw an unprecedented opportunity, and in no small part because of the “pied piper” strategy that Hillary and the corporate dems thought would ensure an easy win
Trump won in 2024 because he was the candidate who got the highest number of votes. Votes that mattered btw.
The electoral college.
Well, most electors are honest about which President they vote for
No its, vote blue no matter who* only applicable if the said blue candidate is not progressive
and the whole fucking time we are voting in primaries, it’s all “progressive candidates can’t win the election” and astroturfed lies and slander using democratic funds to hurt itself in its own confusion. want my vote? field candidates that i would vote for.
and no kings is performative at best
want my vote? field candidates that i would vote for.
I hope you still go to the polls and write-in if you don’t like either candidate.
i voted harris for president, but at this point i am so disgusted with how the democrats are acting that i will vote third party if needed.
It’s so obvious the person who made this is on the left side of this picture.
Only a lib could give the girl on the right both an anarchy patch and a bernie 2020 hat.
I believe in the liberatory power of what would probably be termed anarcho-syndicalism and I would have voted for Bernie. I own a sweater with his name on it.
It’s so obvious the person who made this is on the left side of this picture.
Anyone who says “blue no matter who” is on the left side of this picture. And on the right politically.
I’ve started saying “Vote blue no matter who” to dems that think progressives can’t win.
I’m a socialist and I support the Democratic party
I’m a starving, homeless, gay, trans woman, and I support the republican party.
Why? They hate you.
Not as much as Republicans would hate me
They certainly hide it better.
I don’t think Democrats support cuts to welfare spending.
No you’re not
You would know
I do know
Sure you do
I care about my constituents, even though they’re filthy unhoused vape addicted lazy Bernie bros. Fist bump!
I hate this so much
Unless the candidate is a progressive, then the establishment Dems won’t endorse them (unless the progressive wins, then suddenly they totally supported the progressive all along)
(no, I’m not saying don’t vote, just frustrated by the fucking hypocrisy)
Don’t just vote Democrat, vote in the primaries.
Ya that’s a problem I have in my neck of the words. Everyone complains about who is on the General Election ticket and they just shrug their shoulders about voting in the Primary.
“You mean I have to vote, and then vote again? Ugh, I wasnt even planning to show up to the actual vote. Meh…it’ll all work out fine.”
If voting day was a holiday it would less of a problem
I have worked for companies that would rather pay out unemployment due to wrongful termination than give time off for voting.
If they don’t want you voting isn’t that a clue?
That’s not going to un-fire them.
If voting day was a holiday, only people who get federal holidays off would get the day off. But it would be a great excuse to get rid of early voting.
Or it won’t and I’ll complain online which is even better than voting, right?
Are we acting again like the DNC cares about people voting in primaries?
Yup, drag the fuckin party left.
Exactly. This times a million. We don’t vote in primaries and then get all surprised that the Democratic candidates resemble the folks who voted in the primaries.
Imo if you don’t vote in the primaries, you’ve forfeited your right to bitch about the candidates on the general ticket
That would be a nice idea, but what do you do when incumbents run unopposed in the primary
vote in the primaries.
When the party runs primaries at all, they interfere with them every chance they get. Saying “jUsT vOtE iN tHe PrImArIeS” without acknowledging this paints the results of the party’s corruption as the will of the people.
I figured that bit was obvious, I was speaking more towards the Dem leadership’s hypocrisy. Again, absolutely not saying “don’t vote both sides reeeeee”
I was complementing, not contradicting 🙂. I agree.
*cough*
Mamdani
*cough*
Platner
*coughcough*
those were two of the big ones I had in mind, yeah
Yeah didn’t the Democratic Party take credit for some shit Mamdani got done? Seemed pretty shitty since they tried to stop him from getting elected.
Make sure you’re pressuring the establishment Democrats in your jurisdiction and the people making campaign contributions.
at GITMO they refuse to show this pic to inmates because it’s considered torture.
Good job OP, you earned your label.
I’mma vote for the lesser of two evils. What I won’t do is fist bump a republican liteᵗᵐ like they didn’t torpedo every fucking progressive they could. I remember south carolina, biden was dead in the water and suddenly “centrists consolidated” and he was a fucking front runner.
Fascists are not scared of being voted out lmao.
With patience, you when. If your stance is unchanging, and you just chip away, taking every little bit of power as you can, constantly angling for a best strategic position, you will win.
Fascist will always have a chance, they’re not scared of being out voted. They’re scared of the working class digging their asses out of their heads and realizing what’s up.
That being said, absolutely still vote.
More dem slop, they still don’t understand why they can’t win elections. I’d point it out for them, but they’d just scream ‘blue no matter who’ instead of listening.
Aha! You clearly love Trump!
“Would you like to be stabbed or punched in the face? If you don’t pick one we’ll go for the stabbing.”
I hate it, but please vote.
