Future dictator surely approves!
The thing about this that really makes me ashamed of the democratic establishment is the depiction of the girl on the right vs on the left. This post is literally trying to marginalize progressives. Just look at lemmy, half the progressives here are cishet conputer programmers and Linux nerds in their 40s. This post is trying to enforce a harmful stereotype to make progressives seem like a smaller, less influencial, more radicalized group. It’s already playing into bigotry: the progressive is shown as younger (ageism), with darker skin (racism), more “radical” views, as a drug addict., etc; enforcing the bias that progressives are somehow irresponsible young’uns with unrealistic world-views. Fuck this shit. Never thought I’d see something so obviously bigoted on Lemmy.
This mostly comes down to interpretation of the artists intent.
I think that it was the intent to lean into those stereotypes and emphasize that is what conservatives fear the most… these two groups calmly working together rather than opposing each other. Making it more subtle may not get their point across.
Who’s the artist? If anyone knows
Eww reddit content in my lemmy feed
If you want to know why lefties lose you need only look at the comments critical of this post.
It’s absolutely valid to be displeased by how center or right-leaning the “left-wing” candidates are. But you have to accept that only supporting your perfect candidate is just going to keep pushing all candidates to the right as they lose.
There can be a strategic approach with more nuance than either you or the graphic are expressing. I live overseas but have to vote in California as it was the last state I was resident. I haven’t voted for Dems (only independents) since 2008. If my residence were in Ohio or Florida, I would vote blue. Some localities offer the luxury of protest voting without the risk of shooting yourself in the foot. That said, if Democrats can be secure in pragmatists voting for the lesser evil, they have absolutely no reason not to be evil themselves.
It’s absolutely valid to be displeased by how center or right-leaning the “left-wing” candidates are.
But you aren’t.
But you have to accept that only supporting your perfect candidate
Stop framing a candidate that supports genocide as ‘not your perfect candidate’ just because any genocide supporter is your perfect candidate.
Uh no, declaring you’ll vote for any candidate slightly less right wing than Hitler allows all candidates to go right.
If you want to know why lefties lose
There’s barely any social studies in the country, you’d think we didn’t have an electoral college the way people think voting works
Technically, this could move in the opposite direction.
It just never does, for some reason.
Maybe it never happens because the people who say they would vote for the “true” left don’t vote?
Any excuse to avoid facing how voting for your shitty wing of the party got us here like you wanted.
How could it in a dichotomy of progressivism vs conservatism? The suppressed side will always be the progressive side because progress will always threaten the elite that are propped up by the current system and the elites will almost always have unequal and overwhelming power relative to everyone else. The system is deeply flawed for you and I, but not for musk, gates, and Zuckerberg and as a result they will fight hard to keep things the same with their disproportionate amount of resources
Especially so when the flawed system is designed to create oligarchs, so even if all 900 or so billionaires died tonight they’d rapidly be replaced (and likely lead to even more wealth concentration once the dust settles)
It’s almost like political hierarchies run by the Epstein class and centrists prefer conservatism over progress.
Or, now here me out, Dems could run a platform people want to vote for?
That’s the joke. The vote blue no matter who enables fascists, so saying it’s what they fear is funny.
But then how would the billionaire keep their money?
Please tell me this is ironic
It’s not
It would be if I reposted it
Gang, this isn’t complicated. You fight the Democratic establishment 364 days a year. On election day you pick the lesser evil, which hopefully all that fighting you did made much less evil. We have an archaic election system, and until that changes (work to change it), that’s the best path forward.
Gang, this isn’t complicated. You make demands, but declare ahead of time you will not take any action to harm the Dems by not voting for them, and this give up all leverage. Then they continue to lock in GOP policies, that’s tye best path forward.
As an non-american, how this is not crystal clear even for the most hardcore communists is an absolute mystery to me.
Because the US first past the post system ensures there’s only two parties. So unless you can threaten one, you don’t have input.
As a non-american, you aren’t close enough to notice that the people who say this are taking advantage of the situation and have been for decades.
Civics education is bad to nonexistent so they do not learn about the spoiler effect, let alone the inevitable math behind first past the post elections. People vote based on how they think the system ought to function instead of how it actually functions.
As a non-american, here in my country leftists vote for many different parties, each too small to actually pass the threshold
In other words, voting isn’t enough: it’s merely the first step. After “your guys” are in power, you should bully them into keeping their promises and doing more
Remember when the vote blue no matter who people told us they were gonna move Biden left after he was elected?
Good times.
fight the Democratic establishment 364 days a year
just to be accused of supporting teh republicans? i mean i’ll do it, but lets be honest: the democrat supporters aren’t trying to have a good faith discussion about the shortcomings of the party.
You gotta fight from within. “I’ve voted Democrat and will continue to support the party, but [insert list of grievances]” plays a lot better than “I do not understand how US election work so I helped get Trump elected, now give me what I want”.
Centrists interpret all criticism as “I do not understand how US election work so I helped get Trump elected, now give me what I want” and have never given a shit about how anyone actually voted.
Condescension will never be a substitute for policies people want, charismatic candidates, and a willingness to keep campaign promises. But since centrists don’t have any of those, they go with what they have.
Hey, I really don’t like how you’re murdering people, but I won’t stop shopping at your store. I’m going to change it from the inside
I voted Democrat but they don’t get a blank check from me. I’ll support them when they are worth it.
Fellas please, an election is not the time and place to make your voice heard.
You must have missed this part where you are making your voice heard by picking the least bad option, so here it is again:
On election day you pick the lesser evil, which hopefully all that fighting you did made much less evil.
Or maybe you’re confused about how things ought to be versus how they actually are, that too was covered:
We have an archaic election system, and until that changes (work to change it), that’s the best path forward.
You must have missed this part where you are making your voice heard by picking the least bad option
You like the part where the margin between “least bad” and “most bad” keeps narrowing.
On election day you pick the lesser evil
I cannot stomach voting for someone who sent billions to commit genocide with. That is my voice, and my opinion. What should I do with that on election day, you think?
Grow up and do the best thing that the situation allows. To see what the alternative is… [gestures vaguely at the world]
Worry less about election day and more about those 364 days.
No, I think I will worry about election day, thank you very much. Voting is one of the most important ways to steer politicians toward working for your benefit. So please tell me, in your world view, what should I do with my voice and opinion on election day?
Bonus question: if you guarantee your vote to a party, regardless of what they do (such as commit a genocide, such as expand ICE, such as building the border wall, such as keeping Guantanamo bay open, such as never taxing the rich more, and so on), what incentive do they have to listen to you? And follow up, if your answer is that democrats do still work for the electorate, why are they moving further and further right, away from the interests and opinions of most Americans? (This is measurable, see for examples the 2014 paper Testing theories of American politics which found that policy positions of politicians align perfectly with those of economic elites, and with those of average voters really only ever by accident)
Get called a trumper 364 days a year by people who love how much like trump the democratic establishment is constantly trying to become.
Fun story, my second-to-last straw with Reddit was being banned from r/democrats for saying Biden should not seek a second term (too old) and they need to hold a primary. I said this repeatedly starting about a year before the election and was called all manner of terrible things while accumulating loads of up and downvotes. When the time for a primary passed I pivoted my message to: Biden should retire (play up a medical issue) so we have the first female president and she has the incumbent bump for the election. I was banned with the message “Shut up, Biden is going to get a second term. Deal with it [inappropriate language].” twelve days before Biden dropped out.
Are they still refusing to admit Mamdani exists?
No, now they claim somehow that’s proof their VBNMW nonsense works.
Despite Mandami showing it only goes one way
Work to change it, how?
By illegally taking away capital from the people illegally fighting back against that change?
You’re not in a democracy, stop solving your problems democratically
By backing AOC and other progressives.
How is the United States not a democracy?
Your vote doesn’t fucking matter, that’s how
Is that why Trump won?
Trump actually won a primary, unlike Kamala.
Which goes on to show that votes actually matter. If it didn’t, we might have Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley or Vivek Ramaswamy as president.
Trump won because the billionaires who own this country saw an unprecedented opportunity, and in no small part because of the “pied piper” strategy that Hillary and the corporate dems thought would ensure an easy win
Trump won in 2024 because he was the candidate who got the highest number of votes. Votes that mattered btw.
Harris won the primaries because votes don’t matter.
It’s a gradient. Did you get to decide who you’re allowed to vote for? Do they represent your actual interests? Do you have a say over what happens in your city or your workplace?
Stuff like that
Congress very much decides what happens in cities and workplaces afaik
(1)In a democracy the people elect a representative of their ideology to govern them in fair elections
(2)Both parties in the US in the 21st century start wars on foreign countries, lie about policies, submit to corrupt lobbying
(3)Both parties in the US are not representative of the people of the US
(4)The US is not a democracy
Which of these is wrong?
(4) because both parties are elected to power by voters
When the “good” party eschews primaries because they cannot abide giving the people an opportunity to vote against genocide, that’s only democracy to people who like genocide.
You do realise that there are more than two parties right?
4 is deduced from 1,2,3 the deduction is just using definition and the fact both parties lead to the same outcome to come to a contradiction
Both parties have been elected (1), both led to (2), both aren’t representative (3), You can’t blame voters if they have no power over the outcome, there’s no democracy in US
If the point you’re trying to make is that outcome is irrelevant and only voting itself is what constitutes a democracy then this needs to be applied to other countries as well, North Korea is a democracy
Both parties definitely don’t lead to the same outcome. One party supports cutting welfare for the poor and the other party doesn’t.
The voters absolutely have power over the outcome. They voluntarily chose Trump over Harris in 2024.
North Korea is a one party “democracy”. In the United States, you have multiple parties, more than the two that most people voluntarily vote for.
The electoral college.
Well, most electors are honest about which President they vote for
No its, vote blue no matter who* only applicable if the said blue candidate is not progressive
and the whole fucking time we are voting in primaries, it’s all “progressive candidates can’t win the election” and astroturfed lies and slander using democratic funds to hurt itself in its own confusion. want my vote? field candidates that i would vote for.
and no kings is performative at best
want my vote? field candidates that i would vote for.
I hope you still go to the polls and write-in if you don’t like either candidate.
I do. I want it on record that I won’t vote for right wing Democrats.
Funniest part is when Del libs tell me that the left won’t vote for a woman - because I voted for De La Cruz.
i voted harris for president, but at this point i am so disgusted with how the democrats are acting that i will vote third party if needed.
It’s so obvious the person who made this is on the left side of this picture.
Only a lib could give the girl on the right both an anarchy patch and a bernie 2020 hat.
I believe in the liberatory power of what would probably be termed anarcho-syndicalism and I would have voted for Bernie. I own a sweater with his name on it.
It’s so obvious the person who made this is on the left side of this picture.
Anyone who says “blue no matter who” is on the left side of this picture. And on the right politically.
I’ve started saying “Vote blue no matter who” to dems that think progressives can’t win.
I’m a socialist and I support the Democratic party
I’m a starving, homeless, gay, trans woman, and I support the republican party.
Why? They hate you.
Not as much as Republicans would hate me
They certainly hide it better.
I don’t think Democrats support cuts to welfare spending.
The centrist wing’s current hegemony over the party was built on the legacy of Bill Clinton, who cut welfare spending.
Which President “ended welfare as we know it”?
No you’re not
You would know
I do know
Sure you do
I care about my constituents, even though they’re filthy unhoused vape addicted lazy Bernie bros. Fist bump!
I hate this so much
Unless the candidate is a progressive, then the establishment Dems won’t endorse them (unless the progressive wins, then suddenly they totally supported the progressive all along)
(no, I’m not saying don’t vote, just frustrated by the fucking hypocrisy)
Don’t just vote Democrat, vote in the primaries.
Ya that’s a problem I have in my neck of the words. Everyone complains about who is on the General Election ticket and they just shrug their shoulders about voting in the Primary.
“You mean I have to vote, and then vote again? Ugh, I wasnt even planning to show up to the actual vote. Meh…it’ll all work out fine.”
If voting day was a holiday it would less of a problem
I have worked for companies that would rather pay out unemployment due to wrongful termination than give time off for voting.
If they don’t want you voting isn’t that a clue?
That’s not going to un-fire them.
If voting day was a holiday, only people who get federal holidays off would get the day off. But it would be a great excuse to get rid of early voting.
Or it won’t and I’ll complain online which is even better than voting, right?
Are we acting again like the DNC cares about people voting in primaries?
Yup, drag the fuckin party left.
Exactly. This times a million. We don’t vote in primaries and then get all surprised that the Democratic candidates resemble the folks who voted in the primaries.
Imo if you don’t vote in the primaries, you’ve forfeited your right to bitch about the candidates on the general ticket
vote in the primaries.
When the party runs primaries at all, they interfere with them every chance they get. Saying “jUsT vOtE iN tHe PrImArIeS” without acknowledging this paints the results of the party’s corruption as the will of the people.
That would be a nice idea, but what do you do when incumbents run unopposed in the primary
Run against them.
(In theory. I wouldn’t do that either.)
I figured that bit was obvious, I was speaking more towards the Dem leadership’s hypocrisy. Again, absolutely not saying “don’t vote both sides reeeeee”
I was complementing, not contradicting 🙂. I agree.
*cough*
Mamdani
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Platner
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those were two of the big ones I had in mind, yeah
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Yeah didn’t the Democratic Party take credit for some shit Mamdani got done? Seemed pretty shitty since they tried to stop him from getting elected.
Yeah didn’t the Democratic Party take credit for some shit Mamdani got done?
They sure tried.
Make sure you’re pressuring the establishment Democrats in your jurisdiction and the people making campaign contributions.
at GITMO they refuse to show this pic to inmates because it’s considered torture.
Good job OP, you earned your label.
More dem slop, they still don’t understand why they can’t win elections. I’d point it out for them, but they’d just scream ‘blue no matter who’ instead of listening.
Aha! You clearly love Trump!
