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Honestly I’m not upset gas got expensive, I kinda hope it goes higher still. Short term pain, long term gain. Everything else though, yeah. sigh
This is basically the dumbest way imaginable to move away from oil though.
Tried the smart ways for decades, soooo…
No they didn’t.
People won’t accept a gas tax to fund maintenance and post-oil development, but a war and 110% price hike, sure. It’s madness.
Yep. All this way does is hurt the fuck out of anyone that isn’t rich.
For the next few centuries at least, more people will be hurt by climate change. It’s sucks for us now but it’s still a net gain.
It’s not dumb if it works.
Yes capitalism is the dumbest system possible. Literally destroying the planet so a few dickheads can ride yachts.
Oh I agree, 100%. My heart breaks for all the people hurting because of this greedy, gluttonous idiocy. 😔 Nonetheless, sometimes my brain is tired and I don’t have the energy to articulate a more nuanced take. More and more often, in fact.
TBF, the only worse option is to not move away from oil at all…
Oil getting expensive makes everything expensive. If it was just the price at the pump I might agree with you.
Yeah I know. Nuance sadly takes energy to articulate, which I increasingly do not have enough of. 😐
Stuff is still underpriced all of the environmental devastation required to produce them via fossil fuels.
Okay, well let’s also talk about fixing the wage gap. Doing one without the other is just going to make the problem worse.
Doing one without the other is just going to make the problem worse.
I think you guys may be talking about different problems. Oil being expensive is good in the environmental sense, as it tends to push people and businesses away from using it. The wage gap and cost of living issues are affected by oil prices, but are a separate issue.
This is why shit never gets fixed. Person A says “this is a problem” Person B says “Yea but so is this”. Pretty soon everyone is fighting for each other around which problem to fix instead of just fixing the first problem and going from there.
Sadly it’s not that simple. Fixing the various pop-up symptoms of late stage crapitalism is like seeing an apartment block with a completely corroded water supply system and going around slapping flextape on leaks instead of rooting out the whole thing and replacing it with something that works. We keep going around applying hotfixes, hoping this will make the system work, but at the end of the day all we get is 20x more spent on flextape than it would’ve cost to replace the system, and the whole thing is even more rickety than it was before we began.
To continue your analogy, the building needs to be demolished and rebuild, but there’s still people living inside, and the doors have been welded shut. Hard to blame them for wanting to stick with the flextape.
You’re forgetting that a lot of oil byproducts are absolutely necessary for long term agricultural sustainability. Nitrogen and sulfate fertilisers take natural gas and crude oil processing byproducts to be synthesized, pesticides rely on petroleum, and that’s not even considering the machinery required for production and transport (while electric trucks are a thing, electric agricultural machinery is still experimental at best, not to mention a lot of farmers tend to use 20-40 year old equipment).
Oil prices going up will have a massive knock on effect on agricultural produce amounts, availability, and prices. But hey, at least all those miffed farmers will now have a market, even if it’s making nutrient dense slop which will be the only thing available for average people to buy… You’ll get your daily dose of gray slop and you’ll like it!
current events teaching me that terrorism does solve problems.
Don’t worry, it’ll come down miraculously just in time for major midterm elections.
Yeah but you gotta be a child to believe that the privileged ever face justice.
And a child to believe society is not exhausted by endless overuse/abuse of character assassinations.
At this point puff daddy and r Kelly could team up and take on all of a high whole schools prom dates (boys and girls) and ppl would ignore it.
Don’t believe me? Then explain why Cosby is free and on the streets, and Clinton, and trump, and putin, and worst of alll all…rhiana.
What did Rihanna do?
Damn, this site is astroturfed.
Fake news conservative media has had a part to play in leading us here. Fucking pieces of shit.
Not sure it works that way. Great man theory is not a great model for how history unfolds. The third reich didn’t end because Hitler died, Hitler died because the third reich ended. Saying the US illegally attacked Iran because of Trump has the same depth of analysis as saying the murder of Franz Ferdinand is why WWI happened.
Also, the word is children
Agreed. This war happened because Iran supplies a large quantity of oil to China, and the oligarchs are fucking terrified of the rise of communism and the implications it has for their way of life. This war and the attack on Venezuela are both part of the encirclement strategy that capitalists are employing in an attempt to choke China’s economy before the west is eclipsed.
They’ve left it too late though, China’s green revolution will soon free them and the global south from the capitalist oil hegemony.
I’m a little behind, have we collectively prayed for the 168 dead children yet?
We haven’t even gotten to the part with the thoughts.
I liked a facebook post, that’s worth one love&prayer
By the way, the US miltary didn’t give one of their stupid names for this war? No operation “Magnificent Freedom” or “Infinite Peace” for this butchery?
It was called Epic Fury.
Le epic furries
And remember that “Epic Fury” is over so they can skirt Congress. Anything for the next 60 days is “Sledgehammer”.
Midnight Hammer last year, Sledgehammer this year. Someone likes getting hammered.
No, unfortunately the president of the US tends to go along with the swamp on foreign policy decisions, therefore we would be in the exact same situation regardless of the election.
Here is a link to a Kamala Harris speech on the official Biden white house archives. This was less than a month before the election.
We know Hamas is not the only threat Israel faces. On October 8, Hezbollah began launching rockets at Israel, and the Houthis in Yemen began targeting Israeli cities.
And what is the common thread? Well, we all know: Iran, which has now also directly attacked Israel twice.
I am clear-eyed. Iran is a destabilizing and dangerous force.
When Donald Trump was president, he let Iran off the hook. After Iran and its proxies attacked U.S. bases and American troops, Trump did nothing. And he pulled out of the nuclear deal without any plan, leading to an unconstrained Iranian nuclear program.
On the other hand, our administration struck Iranian proxies in Iraq and Syria when they attacked American troops, and we are the first administration to ever directly defend Israel.
Make no mistake, as president, I will never hesitate to take whatever action is necessary to defend American forces and interests from Iran and Iran-backed terrorists, and I will never allow Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon.
Diplomacy is my preferred path to that end, but all options are on the table.
She literally called Trump a pussy for not bombing Iran more and pledges to start a war with Iran if necessary for the express goal of defending Israel.
Trump deserves to be called a hypocrite for campaigning on the opposite of this, but really we never had a choice.
really we never had a choice.
We did, actually. Her name was Jill Stein.
Uhhhhh kinda. I did vote for her once but let’s be honest it’s a protest vote more than anything. Much ink has already been spilled about how the system is hostile to third party candidates and why.
Nah, we already have a Russian plant in the White House.
I remember the 1980s when the Republicans were accusing their political opponents of being commies or “pinkos” or some secret agents of Russia, but I never dreamed that Red Scare nonsense would get resurrected in the Democratic Party. Pretty funny. You aren’t as different as you think you are.
Um, except Jill Stein has verifiable ties to the Kremlin.
Also, I’m not a fucking Democrat I’m a fucking socialist.
Also, the red scare was in the '50s and '60s, not the '80s.
Um, except Jill Stein has verifiable ties to the Kremlin.
Stein was investigated as part of the probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election, and she was cleared of any wrongdoing.
Also, I’m not a fucking Democrat I’m a fucking socialist.
Sorry for the assumption. I heard Democratic Party talking points, so I thought you were a Democrat.
Also, the red scare was in the '50s and '60s, not the '80s.
Conservatives were still paranoid about Russian agents in the '80s. That was my point.
COVID likely would not have become a global pandemic, and president Pence would likely be in the middle of his third presidential term if Republicans in Congress had the moral spine to impeach him in January 2020.
Republicans forget who was president when covid started
Democrats forget who was president when the genocide started
If you think President Harris doesn’t follow Israel into war with Iran, you are dumb
Democrats forget who was president when the genocide started
Joseph Biden wasn’t president of Israel.
If you think President Harris doesn’t follow Israel into war with Iran
Mmm, useless speculation. Tastes like shit.
Israel had attempted to goad the U.S. into going to war with Iran since G.W. Bush was president by using the “We are going to strike with or without you” excuse. Bush knew it was a trick. Obama knew it was a trick. Trump’s people in the first admin knew it was a trick. Biden knew it was a trick.
Only an unrestrained Trump surrounded by evangelical warhawks who believe in starting a holy war to bring about the end times would be dumb enough to take Israel’s bait. It was a complete unforced error.
Kamala couldn’t possibly be described as tough on Israel, but I doubt she would have surrounded herself with Fox News sycophants who could possibly convince her to jump at the chance to begin a new protracted war in the Middle East. Only Trump is uniquely unqualified enough to do such a thing.
What the fuck delusional shit is this.
SHE **WAS **A FOX NEWS SYCHOPHANT WHO WAS THE VP FOR AN ADMINISTRATION THAT JUMPED AT THE CHANCE TO BEGIN A NEW PROTRACTED WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST
THIS IS THE SAME WAR
EXIT YOUR FUCKING MIND PALACE
Take your meds.
Oh-Ho! Are you getting upset at me erasing a holocaust I supported?
Perhaps you are mentally unwell!
What’s your point? Got more Nazi shit you’re thinking of doing right now?
If you think President Harris doesn’t follow Israel into war with Iran, you are dumb
I guess we will never know and are stuck with the hundreds of dead on our hands (so far).
I wonder 🤔 will independents remember who allowed a dictator to install themselves because they decided to gamble at the worst time?
oh that’s right, independent voters have an aversion to reality and refuse to accept any responsibility for the outcome of the 2024 election results.
that sounds oddly familiar…
“I don’t take responsibility at all”
I guess we will never know and are stuck with the hundreds of dead on our hands (so far).
Hundreds of dead? You start the counting only once Trump is in office? You killed hundreds of thousands. And you don’t take responsibility at all. You literally point at a picture of Trump and blame him for all of your sins.
What a baby
Guess you didn’t have much to say after all
not to a low effort troll.
your game is trash, son. I’ve seen better trolls on club penguin.
no google image search to do the talking for you this time?
And what ‘low effort troll’? That’s just an extremely online, extremely stupid person’s thought terminating cliche. You just have no response to what I said. And you’re too immature to walk away.
Not just independents. A lot of Democrats didn’t vote for Harris, either.
It is everybody’s responsibility to vote, and just because you didn’t hear about any anti-genocide candidates, that doesn’t mean that they weren’t on the ballot. In 2024, we had two of them: Jill Stein and Cornel West. Together, they didn’t even get 1% of the vote.
passing that buck back to democrats I see.
Stein was a candidate not grounded in reality. West was barely even talked about outside of independent voter circles.
the only candidate that had any real hope of winning against Trump was Harris. not because she was the best. because she was the only candidate put forward by the opposition party, and she wasn’t Trump. she was the only candidate with a history with voters. she was literally the only candidate talked about other than Trump.
The DNC wasn’t trying to win the election, they were trying to stay in power.
Independents were not trying to win the election, they were grasping for power.
the failures of both parties and their ineptitude allowed the Trump regime to steal the seat.
2024 was a pivotal moment when both democrats and independents should have put their differences aside and put forward a singular candidate that wasn’t Biden, Harris, Stein, or West.
Instead the American public got the same old song and dance, which the republican party has proven they can work around again and again.
so, whose fault is it that Trump gained the seat again? American voters who failed to read the room and pass their votes grounded in reality. not the DNC. not Independent organizations.
passing that buck back to democrats I see.
I’m not passing the buck. I’m giving them credit. Not voting for Harris was the right thing to do.
Stein was a candidate not grounded in reality.
Stein wanted to stop arms shipments to Israel. Trump and Harris wanted to continue them.
Stein wanted universal, single-payer healthcare. Trump and Harris did not.
I could go on and on, but if Stein wasn’t “grounded in reality”, then neither is progressivism.
2024 was a pivotal moment when both democrats and independents should have put their differences aside and put forward a singular candidate that wasn’t Biden, Harris, Stein, or West.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to unite behind a candidate who already had ballot lines and party infrastructure? I supported Rocky Anderson in 2012. He was trying to build out his party during his presidential campaign. He was not able to get on enough ballots to get the required number of electors to win. I did not vote for Rocky Anderson in 2012.
I’m not passing the buck. I’m giving them credit. Not voting for Harris was the right thing to do.
still refusing to take any responsibility.
Stein wanted to stop arms shipments to Israel. Trump and Harris wanted to continue them.
an ineffective way to maintain diplomatic ties with a country that helps our country maintain control of the middle east. a poor choice that would only allow Russia or the Saudis to grasp complete control which would only further expose the US to foreign attacks.
Stein wanted universal, single-payer healthcare. Trump and Harris did not.
that will never happen until all of Congress is filled with politicians that are willing to allow that to happen. Also, Stein lacks the tactics and connections in Washington to even start the conversation to accomplish this.
I could go on and on, but if Stein wasn’t “grounded in reality”, then neither is progressivism.
I’m glad you’re starting to catch on. progress happens slowly and just winning an election won’t fix all our problems. voting for Harris would have fixed one problem. Trump.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to unite behind a candidate who already had ballot lines and party infrastructure? I supported Rocky Anderson in 2012. He was trying to build out his party during his presidential campaign. He was not able to get on enough ballots to get the required number of electors to win. I did not vote for Rocky Anderson in 2012.
who the fuck is Rocky Anderson? you want regular Americans to vote for people they have never heard of before. this is what I mean by “grounded in reality”.
a candidate that has zero recognition, zero national contributions, zero prospects, zero experience has zero chance of ever becoming president.
wouldn’t it make more sense to unite behind a candidate that has a chance of blocking the most powerful governing seat in the world from the worlds most corrupt criminal? even if that candidate wasn’t perfect for the job, they still would have been better than allowing the corruption to fill the seat and ruin it for generations.
🤷 we’ll never know how bad or good it could have been though, so no use in arguing over it.
Democrats forget who was president when the genocide started
They didn’t forget; they’re in denial. The left was pretty vocal at the time about how Biden was bending over backwards to assist Netanyahu in his war crimes. They should be sharing a cell right now.
The world would be a better place with this pedophile in jail but don’t assume US wouldn’t have start another war without him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Gaza_war
Or if trial of Netanyahu proceeded faster
Or if zionism was actively resisted as a genocidal ideology.
I agree.
They’d also be alive if our two ruling parties didn’t have the same positions on Israel and hiding the Epstein Files.
I still think trump did more than any other president last 20 years. By making it clear for those who doubted the illusion of choice
Where does that lead us though? Does knowing for sure, instead of just knowing, justify putting trump in office?
Does neutralizing the threat of a democratic socialist justify putting Trump in office?
Never ending corp greed cause of sabotage by your neighbours is what would happen otherwise. Now we have more corruption but many people finally realise who is the real enemy
We have that answer, loud and clear from the dnc
Yeah, Biden had the files too. It’s not like there’s any shortage of Israel worshipping Iran warhawks on the dem side, either.
Things might have been a little different but I doubt they’d be as different as OP thinks.
It’s almost like the two parties work together and hold a monopoly on our political system. A duopoly, if you will.
Biden did nothing in reaction to a Coup attempt and scapegoated Garland. Nobody bats an eye at that, it’s insane. I think the federal court seal on Epstein Files is true to an extent but that wasn’t the only thing they could’ve taken Trump down with. They chose to punish nobody important for Jan 6th, emboldening the new confederates.
Biden also could have said “fuck the seal” and declassified and published them anyways. Even if they were later retracted and deleted from the DOJ website, the internet would share them around.
Of course Joe Biden and the wider DNC didn’t want those documents released, because they would implicate big Democrat donors and create mass-disillusionment. They got released now as a way to spite Trump, and perhaps because whatever disarray they incited would be under Trump’s rule… or perhaps because Democrats correctly determined that the USA wasn’t going to riot or enact a mass-strike or do anything “radical” after learning that their entire life has been played by billionaire sex-trafficking child-raping baby-eating pedophiles </3
You very well could be right, I’m not American so I’m less intimate with their legal system. My main point was just that there were (and still will be) so many paths to putting the pedo in prison and Dems simply didn’t even try to.
Biden had the files too.
“The Epstein files were not released during the Biden administration (2021–2025) primarily because they were under strict federal court seals related to ongoing criminal investigations and the appeal of Ghislaine Maxwell.”
Google is your friend if you know how to use it. Stop spreading misinformation online. You are being part of the problem.
Lemmy basically exists at this point for idiots to deliberately misunderstand the workings of the government in order to blame the democratic party for illegal shit the republicans do. Every single time republicans do something heinous these chuds come out screaming about why the Dems let this happen and how it’s actually their fault for not stopping the people in absolute power, it’s fucking bananas. 95 percent of lemmy is basically the worst ten percent of reddit, and most prominent commenters seem to use gpt or something else to think their thoughts for them. Lemmy is a fucking joke when it comes to discussing politics and it’s every bit as arbitrarily moderated as reddit.
for idiots
Amazing way to start your argument
to deliberately misunderstand the workings of the government
No, we understand it very clearly; power and/or money rules, and laws are suggestions for politicians
in order to blame the democratic party for illegal shit the republicans do
Who’s left to enforce what’s legal? If the entire government is compromised, and constantly approving of illegal shit, what use is there in caring about laws and legality of actions? Power rules, laws are mere suggestions to the Epstein-class
Every single time republicans do something heinous these chuds come out screaming about why the Dems let this happen and how it’s actually their fault for not stopping the people in absolute power
They had so many chances to pull exactly the same shit to stop evil and never did in the name of “normality”. They knew that Republicans are neo-nazi fascists and did jack shit to use their temporary power to stop them. If they want to market themselves as the “good guys” and then choose not to stop cartoonish levels of evil how do they expect any remaining support? You’re not blaming the wolf, screaming they’re hungry for chickens, for eating the chickens; you blame the shepherd for not grabbing the shotgun and headshotting the wolves in sight. If Democrats want to claim they’re “not stepping down to the level of illegal actions” while knowing if they don’t then the neo-nazi fascist regime is coming (and now it has already arrived, good job), they’re just as bad. Something something one nazi in a bar = nazi bar
95 percent of lemmy is basically the worst ten percent of reddit, and most prominent commenters seem to use gpt or something else to think their thoughts for them
Lmao we’re entering the era of deflecting arguments by claiming it’s written/thought-conceived by an LLM. I wonder if there’s already a name for that fallacy
Lemmy is a fucking joke when it comes to discussing politics and it’s every bit as arbitrarily moderated as reddit.
There’s not even a central moderation; go to a different instance (and follow different communities) if you’re so upset by the local moderation.
By the way I’m not even from the US, I just find it depressing to follow the situation from here in Europe knowing this is likely what’s waiting for us in 10-20 years. Let’s hope our democracy is better than yours
You don’t understand or you wouldn’t say stupid shit that proves you don’t understand. And then you just straight admit you’re a foreigner that follows our politics for kicks, you’re literally a propagandist and you probably don’t even know it. But unless you want everything to get worse for everyone everywhere you should probably stop spreading disinformation that elects republicans. Or just admit that’s what you’re doing here.
You don’t understand or you wouldn’t say stupid shit that proves you don’t understand.
Which part of my understanding is wrong?
And then you just straight admit you’re a foreigner that follows our politics for kicks, you’re literally a propagandist and you probably don’t even know it.
I never said I follow your politics for kicks, where did I say that?
you’re literally a propagandist
I also don’t even talk about this topic myself, unless I see someone like you who seemingly doesn’t understand where the sentinment is coming from. I’d rather spend my time convincing my friends to vote further prog-left in our local/national elections than argue about the Epstein class in the US
But unless you want everything to get worse for everyone everywhere
No, I want you to gain understanding of where the opinion is coming from so you can get your head out of your self-righteous ass and talk to people in good faith instead, instead of thinking they’re all propagandists
that elects republicans
And the entire point is that it seemingly doesn’t matter, because even with years of full Democrat reign nothing will change, they will not fix the broken “democracy” that the US has, and then the first Republican to take office will immediately illegally undo all those years of progress within a week and plunge straight into a fascist state, and continue their gerrymandering and court-stacking unbothered and unopposed. Why the fuck didn’t Biden stack the court? Why didn’t the years of Democrat trifecta stop gerrymandering and make vote-by-ballot easy and unopposable? It’s hilarious how those simple tasks haven’t happened, which is unthinkable as a European (specifically, Dutch)
Or just admit that’s what you’re doing here.
You know jack shit about me, so stop jumping to conclusions
You are literally working for the Epstein class, right now with your rhetoric. Now post another gpt slopspam about how everything Trump is actually the demonrats fault.
Biden could have tested the powers the Supreme Court handed him and done so anyway, calling it an official act.
But since he was utterly spineless and pretended to respect the law as long as the law wasn’t preventing him from selling weapons for genocide, he didn’t.
Epstien’s flight logs were publicly released during the Ghislaine Maxwell trial which occured before he ever took office. The FBI raided Little Saint James in 2019. But sure, lets pretend the president had absolutely no idea about it because they didn’t publicly release a folder labeled “The Epstien Files” while he was in office.
Oh yeah that thing where the state doesn’t prosecute hundreds of criminals because it’s prosecuting one. Yes totally normal.
This is just one of many things were people would still be alive if he didnt exist. Another example are the ICE raids in Minnesota and probably other locations with others we don’t hear about as much.
probably other locations with others we don’t hear about as much.
In other words, the brown people ICE killed.
I feel I should say something profound and witty about this.
But really I find the course this country is on depressing. Democracy is slipping away and at every turn I keep thinking even the republicans have to admit it’s gone too far, but no, they are okay with it.
I know that historically we have done some really evil things, but I’d thought we were past that.
I keep thinking of a clip I saw of musk saying how empathy was a sickness.
We are a country full of monsters pretending to be human.
I know that historically we have done some really evil things, but I’d thought we were past that.
Why? At what point was the US not doing horrible things?
I know that historically we have done some really evil things, but I’d thought we were past that.
The whole point of “Never Forget” was to remind us that we can never be passed that. The Nazis weren’t monsters, they were human beings. Human beings are capable of incredible atrocities, and we need to constantly remind ourselves of that. Make it the foundation of our whole society. But unfortunately the average person in unable to see past their own lifetime, and therefore sees no point in doing anything that could affect real change for future generations.
I keep thinking even the republicans have to admit it’s gone too far, but no, they are okay with it.
That’s because they are fascists. There is no end game with fascism. It’s a mad dash for more and more control until the situation implodes in upon itself.
Republicans are fascists. By definition.
