Marty Supreme is kino btw
Hard disagree.
He’s a mediocre actor at best. I’d argue he’s kinda bad. Most people only think otherwise because he’s cute. Pretty sure he’s also with one of the Kardashians, and its impossible to be a good person and be anywhere near them.
source: film school education, shot and directed numerous shorts, commercials, tv shows, audio for ESPN live, and currently teaching video production and screenwriting.
ADDENDUM: Actually, I’m unaware of any sort of “hate campaign” against the guy, and if there is one, yeah its probably incels and gambling dorks. I never think about the guy for more than 2 seconds when he flashes across my screen for some reason, and I do not actively hate him, but if anyone asks my opinion I tell them he is a wildly overrated, adorable little man
Wait I’m confused. Quirked up white boy extraordinaire, Timotee Chevrolet, made a mean comment about opera and ballet and now gambling websites want people to bet against him? I feel like I’m missing something why does this scam website give a shit about opera?
Any miniscule subcultural event now gives people the opportunity to make money. It’s like how meme coins are made out of every fucking semi-viral post. The cryptofication of everything, the insider trading of everything, the slopification of everything.
Timothee’s annoying but in this case imo he’s completely right and imo the main backlash he’s facing is from people who never watch opera / ballet getting mad that somebody pointed out the obvious that the general population dont care about these art forms. Unfortunately, they’ve increasingly just become more like museum exhibits rehashing the greatest historical works than a living moving art.
A smidge tangential as it was more about classical symphonies, but a few months back Dave’s Classical Guide did a video on the changes in classical music and his take was that the boom in venues for “high culture” music in the late 19th and 20th centuries was always unsustainable. Thus the contraction in recent years is less a death of these media and more a return to a reasonable level.
That being said, I think a lot of this goes back to, as usual, the economic factors. Opera and ballet tickets are fucking expensive so yeah, no shit average joe schmo is going to pick the $20 a seat movie tickets over the $300 a seat opera tickets. Which means the houses are motivated by the ticket sales and benefactor donations from the blue haired socialite crowd who care more about the ritual of the thing that supporting the new artistic expression so of course they turn out more for the classics. (Ballet has one exception though: The Nutcracker, a lot of companies make all their money for the year off doing that for a month and a half around Christmas.) If the funding structure wasn’t so market driven then it could be more accessible to people outside the well to do.
the thing is, there’s a ton of discount systems for young people to go to the opera, ballet and theatre because they;re all desperately trying to make them at least somewhat available to a new generation, like every major city will have a plethora of these deals, people just don’t care anyway
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
there’s no need to glaze millionaire Timothee Chalamet delete this
I’ll choose him over the gambling companies destroying everyone’s minds and the world any day
Bro looks like he was grown in a lab to star in period pieces. He’s going to get the most oscars ever because the academy is just going to assume he starred in a biopic about being disabled in 1412
Nice try… Timothy Chalamet. It really is you, isn’t it?
All will be revealed in due time.
…Du(n)e time
Also, he was pretty much right. No offense to opera and ballet but they objectively have an incredibly niche audience now and the experience of becoming one of the best in those fields has to be worse and less satisfying for most people than becoming a movie star.
The amount of pressure and training and abuse girls have to go through to become professional ballet dancers shouldn’t be acceptable for anything. It destroys your hips, knees, feet and fucks with your body image and eating habits like few other things. Maybe there are more modern schools with less abusive methods, but I doubt it. My ex was repeatedly told, she would never amount to anything because her butt was to big. As a dancer. At 13. Fuck ballet.
Misty Copeland just announced she got double hip replacements. She’s 43.
Maybe there are more modern schools with less abusive methods, but I doubt it.
My partner attended one of those. It was about dancing and self expression rather than about the performance itself, so she has a very healthy relationship to ballet. But for professional troupes? Nah 100% agree with you, those need to be torn down and built from the ground up.
That’s not what he was saying though. He didn’t say they have niche audiences he said they’re just doing it to “keep this thing alive.” Like out of some form of obligation.
I do wish a lot of the money that went to opera would go to smaller theatres instead, but I don’t think any art form is worse than another due to the size of the audience. If I thought that I’d love marvel slop and call of duty.edit: I don’t know a lot about opera or ballet, but I know a bit about theatre. In theatre there’s still incredible new plays being made, so I’m sure there is also still great new ballet and opera being made. You’re unlikely to get a lot of butts in seats in theatre unless you’re setting up a widely known play, which is why most big theatres main programmes are shakesspeare and things from 60+ years ago. I assume it’s the same reason why opera and ballet mainly does really old stuff - It’s what sells tickets. I was once an extra in a Mozart opera, which was a lot of fun.
I’m sure there is also still great new ballet
There absolutely is! I love going to the ballet with my wife, and people are totally making new shows. They are incorporating modern dance techniques, they are diversifying from European traditions.
In fact, one of the best ballet shows I’ve seen is Pisuwin, a Wolastoqiyik ballet scored by the Wolastoqiyik composer Jeremy Dutcher and directed/choreographed by champion dancer Possesom, and fusing classical ballet and Wabanaki grass dance to tell a traditional Wolastoqiyik story.
I adored it!
I hate Timothée Chalamet and thought his comment was stupid, but honestly the tantrum the Opera and Ballet community has been throwing over this off handed comment is almost making me want to take his side. Yeah it was douche-y, say he’s a douche and move on, they’re turned it into a whole spectacle now and I’m over it.
I assume it’s more that they’re just jumping on the bandwagon + trying to get some cultural cache by being associated with some fancy institution
You know what I’m with Timothee on this one. Cinema is a way superior art form than something like Ballet.
Arguing that one form of art is inherently superior to another seems silly to me.
Books are superior to CDs. Paintings are better than sculpture. Slam poetry is better than shadow puppetry. Flash photography is better than mandalas. Novels are better than tango. Video games are better than graphic novels. Theatre is better than choir. Musicals are better than weird YouTube videos you only find at 4 AM.
Arguing that one form of art is inherently superior to another seems silly to me.
This is what a lot of AI Art Bros say to justify their hentai slop machines
“Hitler was a vegetarian”-tier argument
Yeah but Ballets are a very niche rich people thing that requires far more abuse towards minors than movies. Not like movies are good either.
Ballets are a very niche rich people thing
This isn’t inherently true for all of ballet, that’s just the cultural imprint ballet currently has in the mainstream.
I love going to the ballet, only discovered that about myself a few years ago after coming out. My friend is a ballet teacher at a local dance school, where the kids are having fun, not being treated like trash, and it costs a fraction as much for them to go to ballet school than for a kid to join hockey.
The theatre we have is a historic building, beautiful theatre, amazing ballets come here. And the tickets are dirt cheap. They usually give out free tickets to all the local nonprofits that work with critical neighbourhoods and underserved communities to hand out to people. Newcomers/migrants make up a large amount of the audience whenever my wife and I go.
When a new show comes there are also often a lot of kids–dance is super popular here.
The rich people here couldn’t give a fuck about ballet for the most part. It doesn’t actually have that type of cachet anymore. Only dedicated dancers and fans of dance go to these performances.
Ballet has influence in a lot of places when you start looking for it. The steps and theory and all that form the basis for a wide variety of dance and choreography. That’s not what you were talking about though, so it’s kind of a dirty trick of me to bring it up. It felt relevant to the conversation, but I’m honestly just being scatterbrained.
It’s only niche in its “purest” form, but if one starts to look for it ballet can be observed in a lot of places, where a great deal of people enjoy it. I know that’s a bit of a copout, but I think it’s necessary to point out. I generally mean the principles and teachings having wide-ranging influence - Basically most physical theatre and acting has its foundation in ballet, but there’s also just stuff like actual ballet occurring and people enjoying it - For example Mads Mikkelsens dance in Another Round[1]
That it’s niche is no reason to look down on it, half the users on hexbear are members of some musical scene that has an audience of 7 people and a deaf dog.
It’s a rich people thing because tickets are expensive. Storytelling through dance is pretty popular, when it’s presented in the right framework. Theatre is generally a rich people / old people thing, but that doesn’t make it inherently bad. It’s just a result of the world we live in sadly. Shakesspeare was for the proles originally.The only thing I agree that sucks about ballet is the insane culture the dancers are subjected to. But if I let that have any significance I couldn’t enjoy any weinstein movie, like you alluded to. That shit really sucks though. Fucking hate it. Wish it stopped. There really needs to be a fundamental reshaping of the cultural institutions in the west - if not the world.
This became wayy too ADHD punctuated. Forgive me. ↩︎
Doesn’t he have ballet dancers in his family? Doesn’t that fact make it obvious that this was a joke poking fun at them? The fact that I’m hearing about this from my wife and now people here means this is 1000% astroturfed for some reason. Absolutely stupid waste of anyone’s time to even entertain thinking about this.
Was it featured in the movie? I don’t remember, but I do remember it played in the trailer, but formulaic trailers have long done a shitty remixes of classic songs. Didn’t the movie famously not have a soundtrack?
There’s no opera or ballet in the movie, there’s just a lot of fake outrage because Timothee Chalamet said “I don’t want to be working in ballet, or opera, or things where it’s like, 'Hey, keep this thing alive, even though like no one cares about this anymore.”
operacels not ready for this truke
not to mention his immediate family were all in ballet and he originally wanted to go that route as a child.
the fake outrage about his contextless statement during a multi hour interview in the midst of a massive, long publicity campaign is completely manufactured and the commentariat is going hog wild about it. like any of them actually know shit about fuck or will care in 96 hours. i saw one comment saying “i have never seen anything he is in and now i won’t!” basically bragging they haven’t watched any of the dozen movies hes been in to critical acclaim in the last several years. the kid is fucking good and he’s been goddam everywhere. anyone who isn’t a fan already simply isn’t into english language movies.
tim’s whole point was a comparison to audience inattention, that he had concerns about cinema and the struggles and tensions to keep it relevant and popular, worrying that it might become like ballet, an art form he has had a tremendous amount of exposure to through immediate family. frankly, he’s got a point. last time i sat through a 3 hour movie, i came away pissed at the medium and incurious at the message.
but you get headlines like he’s saying art is over and ballet blows.
also, hes a kid. if you recorded everything i said in a 2 hour open interview in my 20s about the state of things, i would have been dropping radioactive takes left and right.
Forever Young is in Marty Supreme. Basically the final scene, iirc.
Can someone explain Marty Supreme to me?
spoiler
It seemed like he was really awesome but repeatedly kept undoing himself by being an asshole or an idiot. Was made to eat shit towards the end but somehow magically was able to beat Endo (without any practice or study of his technique and equipment). Then he comes home and starts crying when he holds his child. Is he crying because he realised he fucked up or what is going on? What is the message here?
At the end of the movie, he’s not redeemed. When he praises Endo and wishes him luck, he really only means it in trying to look gracious and also, Endo winning the tournament after he beat him would unofficial confer him as the best player in the world Marty acts like a complete entitled asshole to everyone in his life, you expect him to be a sociopath, like he’s not fully human, he’s beyond morality, more like a wild animal. but actually all the harm he causes was by a mundane guy who had the full capacity for empathy and self control as anyone else, which gets hinted at through the film, but the final be scene is the final damning reveal.
